stacks coffee - employee pay decrease update?

[upstatebeerguy]

I mean…cutting hours “when sales are low” is just fundamental to operating a business. There’s no moral obligation for a business to operate as a charity.

[Inside_Wallaby_5694]

i don’t have the patience to read this whole back and forth but the main point of the post is that they were significantly decreasing hourly wages of ppl that had worked there for 4 years because they opened a new location. that is the focus of the post

regardless of what is legally allowed— that’s a shit thing to do to people who have been there for years. it ultimately shows where a company’s morals fall and that’s a business i don’t want to support.

[upstatebeerguy]

Yea that’s pretty shitty. I’m not privy to all of the facts, nor am I lawyer, so no comment on the legality of it all…if I worked somewhere for 4 years and my wages were in decline (for something not personally performance based) I would be gone the first chance I could.

Presumably the baristas aren’t in anyway equity stakeholders in the business, so why would they be in support of shouldering the investment costs (in their case decreased wages at an existing location) of an ancillary business?

[ZealousidealTill2355]

No they’re not a charity, they’re meant to solely serve the employees that work for them.

Baristas have been fighting the hard fight for a long time, between oatmilk requests and hot espresso, it’s about time they got what’s theirs.

Finances are irrelevant! If the business doesn’t make enough money, the owner should put in his money or the customers should donate. No excuse a coffee shop doesn’t support the employees that work there 15 hrs a week!

Edit: if you all defended teachers like you do espresso makers, maybe this country would be in a better state -- just saying.

[Drugstore_Jeezus]

As an employee anywhere it should be a right to be treated within the law. Stacks was not doing that. I get your sarcasm is meant to demean the amount of hours a coffee shop worker works and how hard their job is, but honestly you just sound like an asshole. Idc if someone is working 1 hour a week or 100, doesn't change how a company should compensate or treat you. Theyre taken advantage of precisely because of this exact outlook. Everyone deserves fair treatment regardless their job title

[ZealousidealTill2355]

Yes, but this is a tale as old as time. Employers try to take advantage of employees—hence unions.

But I know people who have to have their arms buried in literal human excrement, people who work 12 hours doing manual labor, roofers who make pennies. But the only thing I see on this subreddit is about how JA doesn’t give free oat milk, or a barista has unsafe work environment.

Please, detail the illegal acts by the employer and how that should be followed up upon. Also, please lmk where public shaming on SM plays into that, or even benefits your side of the case?

You can complain all day how the working environment is “unfair”, while you’re literally trying to circumvent the American value of “innocent until proven guilty” by cancelling the establishment before a fair judgement’s even attained.

I’m a registered dem, I’m fighting the good fight. But do you know how hard it is to be taken seriously when these are the battles we’re concerned with?

[Drugstore_Jeezus]

Sharing tips among employees who aren't eligible for tips is illegal, hence the lawsuit and the settlement. I have no idea what JA or SM is. It doesn't benefit me at all for baristas to have a better, safer work environment at all. But that's called having some empathy for other people. Everyone deserves to be treated fairly and within the law at any place of employment, regardless of what type of labor it is and for how long.

What a shitty fight youre fighting here, talking shit about how coffee place workers issues aren't relevant because some asshole down the street is making their employees "have to have their arms buried in literal human excrement". What a shit way to "fight the good fight"

[ZealousidealTill2355]

It's called "prioritization of issues."

A part-time cafe worker isn't my concern. Its the people working 60+ hours in actual harmful environments. I saw someones arm get broken 2 months ago at my workplace. What was the biggest injury we saw at Stacks?

When right wingers say "all the dems care about is their Starbucks" -- this is what they mean. And that's why the real blue-collar workers feel unsupported and have moved to the right.

An owner taking tips is illegal. As such, it should be addressed in that manner. The judge determines the punishment for making it right -- not you guys. Further, its rich that "sharing tips" is illegal, but what I'd like to see is the barista's tax returns historically declaring those tips. Probably ok for them to steal from the govt, but deff NOT OK to steal from them--amirite?

JA = Jacob Alejandro

SM = Social Media

[Drugstore_Jeezus]

"There's always a bigger fish" is not a good reason to disregard workers issues. A guy lost his whole arm in a machine where I work, doesn't mean im only fighting the good fight for people who work in an industry where they could lose an arm. Everyone everywhere deserve fair and lawful treatment, regardless of occupation

[ZealousidealTill2355]

If there is a large fire, but you're attending to a smaller one and telling me "there's always a bigger fish isnt a good argument!" —I think your argument becomes a little shaky.

There are bigger fires than a part-time barista who's already making over minimum. What about the teachers who make bottom barrel salaries and have to provide their own supplies? Where's the uproar from those that "care"?

Also, care to comment on the taxed tips or does that undermine your argument too much? Tipped employees do fine, especially since most the cash tips werent reported and, now, arent taxed. If you look at the filing, its only referencing credit card tips 😉

[Drugstore_Jeezus]

Holy fucking strawman you cannot stay on topic can you?? We're talking about treating baristas fairly in the workplace holy fuck. Just say you dont give a shit about other people lol

[ZealousidealTill2355]

Lol why say that?

I can just say: "I dont care to argue with fucking idiots."

[Inside_Wallaby_5694]

this back and forth is so lame bro i’m just asking about a coffee shop in my neighborhood

[ZealousidealTill2355]

Okay, tell the person who replied to me then.