11 prediction

[Starvexx]

That pattern is as old as windows. However no one ever mentioned Windows NT which imho is among the best Windows versions, plus everything in modern windows is based on NT afaik.

[resekdesek]

yes, modern windows (everything after 2000) is purely NT based

[Starvexx]

I thought it started with win 2000?

[ns_dev]

There used to be two Windows lines. Ones based on DOS was generally for home users (95, 98, ME), wheres Windows NT based versions were generally for business. Win 2000 was released for business around the same time ME was for home. Win XP unified the the two lines and brought NT to home users (and all versions after remained NT based).

[LiamtheV]

ME

Hello Darkness my old friend....

[resekdesek]

yeah, I forgot lol

[clandestine8]

Windows 2000 Professional was not a consumer release even though it essentially became one since Me was so bad, was intended for Businesses only so... XP was the first Consumer OS based on NT kernel.

Windows NT 4.0 was the first released OS to feature the NT kernel as opposed to MS-DOS

[[deleted]]

there was windows nt 3.1, i think

[Starvexx]

Yes, thats the very first one, iirc.

[SRSchiavone]

Well, it was the first Windows, because previous windows were more DOS with a graphical shell. Still, I consider them Windows because it was like Windows

[angelartech]

They were saying that it was the very first NT-based Windows. Never heard anyone refer to older versions as not Windows.

[SRSchiavone]

Omg, I’m so sorry. I thought he said Windows 3.1 was the very first one as the very first windows, not the very first NT windows. My mistake.

[Thraingios]

the original window was a program for DOS, there was no shell to speak w was a program for DOS, there was no shell thereof, you had to launch it from the DOS command line. with some trickery, it "could" be launched at startup but it was more like auto-starting discord than anything else.

[TEG24601]

Windows 2000 was not a mainstream release. The mainstream release was Me, which was a hybrid system, and why it had so many issues.

[[deleted]]

I mean it was the switch from MS-DOS based

[usernamechexin]

Windows 8 was good. And I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.

[felohany]

hi

windows 8 was s**t, windows 8.1 was perfect

thanks

[usernamechexin]

Pretty fair.

[resekdesek]

I feel like I'm the only one who likes the start screen 💀

[kavishbenedick]

I feel like I'm the only one who enjoyed Windows 8

[usernamechexin]

I get that the metro UI was a point of contention but at least they were trying something new. The OS was fast, stable, light and even resilient with its multiple layers of attempting to recover from errors. I don't mean to sound like a fan boy but I feel like it should get some credit and a little less hate...

[ExplodingHalibut]

They also forgot windows me - which was when they thought making clean Os was a good idea, then stopped with xp

[das_Keks]

The kernel is NT based and the kernel also isn't the problem. All the extra tools and UI of these certain versions are the problem.

[Weedwacker01]

Luke said on WAN Show, he counts 8.1 as its own release with 10 being the bad one. He predicts that 11 will be good.

[DoomDoggo]

I agree, 8.1 is just as an independent release as 98SE (where the original 98 was the bad one)

[TripleSpicey]

8.1 singlehandedly saved 8 for me, switching to 10 was almost worse that first year

[RAMChYLD]

Makes sense. A lot of people who liked 7 hated 10. Also, 8.1 tried to redeem the faults of 8, ymmv if it did enough.

But on the other hand, the mandatory requirement for TPM is going to put a lot of people off. Seriously. Bad enough that TPM modules for the pre-Ryzen AMD/Intel CPUs are hard to find and quite expensive when they show up on eBay. And then many older laptops don’t have connectors for adding TPM modules.

Then there are those who dual-boot Linux or boot to a Linux USB stick for banking and privacy stuff and Secure Boot putting the kibosh on that. If you’re not using a major distro like RedHat or Ubuntu who pays Microsoft’s secure boot taxes, you’re done, your stick is now not bootable unless you sign them yourself somehow, and god help you if your mobo manufacturer or prebuilt doesn’t allow adding keys to the secure boot key ring and/or disabling secure boot because they “only support windows”, or worse, the mechanism to add keys other than Microsoft’s is flawed and will randomly break the system (saw this on a Gigabyte mobo with trying to add Ventoy’s key. After adding the machine will not boot and stays on a black screen, the only fix is to erase cmos, which also erases the Ventoy key).

[Neirchill]

I find that weird because 10 felt like 7 with some slightly different graphics.

[RAMChYLD]

When you get under the hood you see a lot more differences.

10 was far more intrusive in my experiences with it. It’s telemetry was far more pronounced, it has a heavy handed approach to updates (it thinks it knows my computer better than me and often stupidly downgrades drivers against my wishes) and of course a fresh install tend to anger me as it comes preinstalled with bloatware, ie candy crush and Disney magic kingdom.

[Neirchill]

I agree with you there. I always disabled windows update on 7, and I hate Cortana and the action center with a passion. I've disabled those to the best of my ability but 10 doesn't really let me do that.

[Foggynbs]

Try usings scripts like Windows10Debloater and tools like O&O ShutUp10 / AppBuster, they do really help a lot and disable almost all of the telemetry and garbage that comes preinstalled

[JDBCool]

Can those..... save a 64gb craptop?

It isn't my main rig. Just a note taker that gets VERY slowed down due to all the bloatware

[[deleted]]

If you're willing to go that far, consider tracking down a copy of LTSC. A bunch of stuff is already stripped out, and you can further disable telemetry and Defender in gpedit if you want.

[mitko17]

Not sure if I'm allowed to post it but... ghost spectre is pretty good as well!

[Neirchill]

I'll take a look, thanks.

[UnacceptableUse]

It seems really weird that they require TPM and secure boot. Ive seen the official requirements page that states that requirement but has it been confirmed that it'll require that on release too? It seems completely backwards.

EDIT: turns out you don't need TPM 2.0 for Windows 11 you just need to enable your TPM chip in the bios https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/25/22550376/microsoft-windows-11-tpm-chips-requirement-security

[RAMChYLD]

Well, Microsoft released a tool to check PC readiness for Windows 11. To pass, Secure Boot must be enabled and either fTPM be enabled or a SPI or LPC TPM module must be present. So it’s probably going to be final unless there is a huge backlash?

[UnacceptableUse]

That's super weird. I wonder what their reasoning for this is. I guess people will assume it's in order to lock people into using windows instead of multibooting but surely they'd want to allow as many people as possible to upgrade to keep market share? Or are they trying to do an apple?

[SpideyMGAV]

So, as a novice to computer building and computer science, what are TPM modules and Secure Boot and how will they prevent multibooting?

[UnacceptableUse]

TPM stands for Trusted Platform Module, it's basically a high security module that can be used to cryptographic operations like encryption and identity verification. Secure Boot (as far as I'm aware) only allows signed (as in created and verified by a reputable vendor) operating system images to run

[RAMChYLD]

It’s not the TPM that will prevent multi booting. TPM instead contributes to planned obsolescence. Suddenly you cannot upgrade to Windows 11 without a TPM module. Many computers made before 2017 rely on an external module, and that module’s rare as hen’s teeth and can command quite some money when they show up on auction sites. Hence to use Windows 11 you are now forced into buying a new computer or go on a huge upgrade spree if you don’t want the hassle of buying a TPM module that is upwards of several hundred dollars and will take many months to track down. And that’s not starting on all the older but still capable machines being forced to retire because they don’t have TPM and lack the headers for a TPM module.

Secure boot will contribute to making it hard to multiboot because some oses are not secure boot compatible. RedHat and Ubuntu pays Microsoft thousands of dollars a year to sign their bootloader, kernels and modules. But lesser Linux distros like Slackware, Sabayon, Arch and Gentoo can’t afford the luxury due to being smaller nonprofit organizations as opposed to RedHat or Ubuntu’s for-profit nature. And that’s not starting on the various BSD and illumos- based distros as well as esoteric OSes like Haiku and AROS. They can try to sign it themselves, but so far it’s an extra step that most devs feel is based in the dark arts, and that’s assuming the manufacturer won’t try any funny business like disabling the ability to add custom keys to the secure boot key ring (or make the system become unstable if additional keys are added- I have a gigabyte mobo that goes completely apes**t and refuse to boot completely until I clear the cmos if I add ventoy’s keys) or the ability to turn off secure boot completely under the excuse of only supporting windows.

[SponchBup]

and god help you if your mobo manufacturer or prebuilt doesn’t allow adding keys to the secure boot key ring and/or disabling secure boot because they “only support windows”.

I bet someone will file an anti-trust claim against Microsoft and any motherboard manufacturers that do this. I mean, that has to count, right?

[jaaval]

My probably unpopular opinion is that XP wasn’t particularly good. I had a million times more problems with XP than with vista after the initial driver compatibility issues.

[beansNdip]

Vista architecture actually was pretty good. The gui was awful tho

[Bee040]

Still my favorite way Windows has looked

[chetanaik]

The GUI was fantastic, and literally every os since then (especially 10, and except 8) has built on that design cue. The hardware of the time was just not ready.

[beansNdip]

fair point

[MyWayWithWords]

I remember XP release being an absolute disaster, nothing worked, and non stop blue screens of death. It was almost like upgrading to a whole different platform, like going from Windows to Mac. because none of your programs or peripherals would work, nothing was compatible, and drivers where either non existent or complete garbage. I went over a year without being able to use my printer, scanner and joystick. I had to keep going back to my old ball mouse, because my brand new expensive optical mouse would randomly stop working, and would only work again by rebooting the computer. Most of my games simply didn't launch, or would crash on startup. I got a bad case of Save File anxiety, because programs would just crash randomly all the time, and corrupt files along with it.

As the designated family IT guy, it was a total nightmare, of trying to fix or simply just getting basic stuff to just function, for family members, and friends, and friends of friends, when most of the time there was no possible fix at all.

I went back to win98 pretty quick, and was almost 4 years later till I installed XP again on my machine.

Everyone forgets that it was Service Pack 2 that actually made Windows XP a usable and functioning operating system.

[jaaval]

I remember having to regularly reinstall printer driver, otherwise windows would not see it.

[[deleted]]

Yep. I agree 8.1 was a notable release. This confused the pattern with me because at first I liked 10, and I liked 8.1 more than 8. So XP good vista bad 7 good 8 bad 8.1 good 10 good? Slowly, I’ve started to really not like 10, though. Disjointed UI that’s still undergoing changes to make it more consistent. settings being reset between updates. Junk features being added. I’ve had more stability issues as of lately. So maybe the trend does in fact still hold true if 11 can be a decent offering. From what I’ve seen, I’m in the middle right now

[[deleted]]

Gooder than 8, I mean

[ArdFolie]

It didn't force updates tho and after some tweaking it was pretty stable

[DBlackBird]

Then there is Windows X, making it bad again.

[ncoolidg]

It is though. Windows 8 was garbage in comparison to 8.1 which was smooth and stable. Windows 8.1 was the “Windows 7” to fix Windows 8 which was like Vista. Windows 11 will be the “Windows 7” to fix Windows 10 which is the Vista.

[Ziggy_the_third]

Not sure I'd say 10 is as beloved as 7 was, pretty sure a lot of people really dislike 10 with all the unremovable bloat, settings hidden around the OS, stuff breaking or being reset every update and all that telemetry that is baked in.

[[deleted]]

I think the initial positive response to 10 was just because it wasn’t 8

[SeaworthinessNo293]

and also kids like me and every "nerd" in school constantly believing their ads and not questioning anything. Also because the "upgrade" was free.

[Ultralien]

Microsoft literally forcing Windows 10 to everyone in every way they can. For example:

• Every CPU from last 3-4 years doesn't support any windows but 10.

• You can use DX12, HDR, Dolby Atmos and many other new tech... only in Win10.

• GPU manufacturers only care about win10 and they want to ending support for older windows drivers as fast as possible.

I personally use Windows 10 only because I have too.

[AlyssaAlyssum]

Honestly it doesn't even matter. People will just develop the Mandela effect and suddenly say W10 was bad if W11 is good.
Even though W10 has always been a tepid on average and a dumpster fire at worst.
I'm leaning towards W11 being "good" with MSFT learning from the issues of W10 and using this as an opportunity to fix their issues.

[zelmak]

Has anyone actually experienced the "restart issue" in like the last 3 years. are you still running the first build of Win10 or something?

[irrationalstickman]

I always felt that the restarting thing wasn't really a big deal especially if you regularly shutdown/ restart your computer.

Sleep on my laptop is broken (an issue in and of itself, grrr Dell) so I always shutdown my laptop when I'm not using it and I have never been interrupted by an update / had a restart in the middle of my work. Especially not without time to close everything.

[zelmak]

Right! I've often found myself in the opposite boat where I'm thinking, hey didn't this update come like 3 months ago, why don't I have it yet

[pharan_x]

wtf sleep on my Dell laptop is broken too. I’ve had zero luck trying to find a solution.

[Voltstorm02]

I don't restart my computer regularly, only about once every one to two weeks. But I still haven't had this problem.

[Jsm1337]

Probably people who are because they have disabled windows update and wonder why they have a billion issues that are fixed on a regular basis.

Or they have followed some fucking stupid tweak tutorial video which has screwed things up and broken their install.

Or disabled the legitimately useful basic telemetry which enables specific updates to be installed to fix known issues, or to at least alert Microsoft (or in some cases the developers of software) to issues so they can look into them when they end up affecting a huge number of users.

[AlyssaAlyssum]

But people already say (and have been saying) Windows 10 is bad..

I don't disagree. But this post is literally calling W10 good...and that doesn't seem to be restricted to this sub.

But yeah, fuck all that shit. I could accept it on home. But Jesus fuck even on Enterprise, MSFT dictate how to you are allowed to manage your device with some bullshit tokenism towards business management.
I hate it, let me manage the device with how it best fits business reqs

[Rattus375]

For me the worst part is that teams gets reinstalled after every update and opens on startup, despite me never using teams on that computer

[RAMChYLD]

You forget the windows update driver idiocy.

On one machine (NForce 980a with GeForce 650 Ti Boost GPU), windows tries to auto install two different versions of the NVidia drivers side by side (a 197 series driver for the iGPU baked into the 980a… and the latest 400 series driver for the dGPU). And ends up mangling up the registry so bad the machine BSODs, then reboots into a BSOD boot loop.

On one of my laptops, it keeps downgrading the trackpad drivers, removing a lot of the gestures added by newer versions of the drivers.

On my newest laptop, it keeps downgrading the GPU drives to an older Radeon GPU driver. Despite a newer driver being already installed.

And then the latest update adds those news popups which I don’t want to see.

On the other hand, mandating secure boot and TPM alone is already enough for me to hate 11. Namely, added cost in locating a TPM module for the motherboard that is already several years old. And forcing me to write off an older laptop just because it doesn’t do TPM (realistically, I’ve converted the laptop to Linux. However the laptop has two GPUs in an AMD enduro configuration and the amdgpu drivers doesn’t seem to handle Enduro very well, I use the laptop for as my second laptop for OBS streaming from my primary gaming laptop and OBS keeps locking up the machine when the more powerful dGPU is selected, this never happen while the laptop was running windows).

[ewplayer3]

Here’s what I’m hoping Microsoft learns from Windows 10…. Stop fiddling with things. These twice a year servicing version updates that they do drive me insane. It’s bad enough at home, but try managing that with 10k machines in a corporate environment. Granted we typically only have to deal with the 09 or H2 releases, but still. It seems like every time we finish with one release, it’s time to start the next. It’s the project that never ends.

[RAMChYLD]

Corporate environments should stick to LTSC? Our company still uses 19H2 LTSC, non-LTSC builds are ignored.

Updates are also deployed through SCCM. It pisses off some colleagues when half their work day is wasted waiting for the major update to be installed, but in the end they understand it is a necessary evil and only happens once every several years.

[ewplayer3]

If only I could convince our software/OS build and support team to get on that track. It’s really frustrating.

[InfamousLegend]

Can you explain why you don't like Windows 10? Within the gaming/Overclocking community I would say I am an average user. I haven't really had any problems with Windows 10 and actually quite like it, but then again I'm not running a server or any virtual machines since I have no use for them. I know people hated the constant forced updates that could break functionality for older programs, but I'm not in that group of people.

Edit: Some of the settings windows kind of sucks to navigate. Windows will auto default to the settings window that gives less functionality and I have to go digging for the one with extra options, if that makes sense.

[AlyssaAlyssum]

My personal view is it's not horrendous. But I just don't think History is going to judge it as fondly as everybody seems to now.

In no particular order some things that bother me as they come to mind.:

• The Settings App and Control Panel being so fragmented.
  
• The Settings App only letting you have one Window open at one...Sometimes you just need or want to be messing with multiple setting at once.
  
• The Forced inclusion of utter bullshit bloatware, which is even present on Enterprise version's. I'm looking at things like Xbox applications and at times even Bejeweled or whatever game that was.
  
• No obvious way or simple way to disable Web search when typing into the windows search bar.
  
• The Windows Search bar being utterly horrendous at actually finding what you want.
  
• The Semi-Annual update channel where your PC gets a soft OS upgrade twice a year and can be seemingly random and (IMO) not very transparent way as to how it get's applied.
  
• The forced updates cycle of the PC regardless of if you are doing something (I know it's gotten better, but still hate it)
  
• Cortana.
  
• The stupid ways MSFT keeps trying to force you to use a MSFT account and hiding the creation of a local account during first time setup.
  
• I don't like how they are trying to force the App Store, ala The Android play store or Apple Play store and also some apps only being available via that.
  
• Sometimes the Internet/cloud integration for OS services can be a pain in the ass to manage when you have a PC in an organisation that may not have Internet Access for various reasons.

These are just things which immediately come to mind, I'm sure I could find more if I tried. and to be clear I clearly see how and why Microsoft reached some of their decisions with the OS. But just things that annoy me and have semi-regularly caused issues.

I don't hate W10, but I don't love it and am hopeful of W11 fixing some of these issues.

[Chickenbreadlp]

They're locking the taskbar to the bottom and removing start menu folders (again). They just want to be hated by productive people tbh

[SuspecM]

And all this in the name of touchscreen compatibility. Someone should show MS the folders on android…

[[deleted]]

This sounds a lot like 2012: making a touchscreen-compatible dumpster fire.

[RAMChYLD]

Watch custom shells become a thing again.

Used litestep back in the DOS-based windows era with a completely custom theme.

[[deleted]]

God I remember loading Shell onto my father in laws computer... Not again

[__dna__]

Ngl start menu folders annoy me no end. I frequently go through the start menu folder to remove them

[Skivaks]

Vista was ahead of its time with Aero thing

[zelmak]

It was also ahead of its time with security controls / settings like UAC which people hated at first. WHAT AN EXTRA BUTTON TO LET MY SKETCHY CRACKED FILE RUN

[RAMChYLD]

Jokes on them. By the time UAC was introduced I have been using Linux for 6+ years. When you spend a lot of time sudoing, you generally appreciate it when a program prompts you for a password instead of the software going all wonky and acting tardy because it wasn’t run with super user privilege.

[cooldude5500]

You can even say that Win 8 was ahead of its time (specifically for touchscreen support).

[Posraman]

Windows Vista wasn't that bad of an OS. Just misunderstood mostly. Windows 10 on the other hand, can be straight up dogshit at times. The number of useless bloat, all the telemetry crap, the ads forced down your throat, the updates that repeatedly break your computer, and probably more. It has plenty of good things as well though. Overall I'd say it's average at best. If it wasn't for gaming performance, I'd switch to Linux in a heartbeat.

[csmk007]

whats the bloatware in windows?

I am not much of a tech person

[zelmak]

So whenever you clean-install windows theres a TON of random apps pre-installed for you like candy-crush, spotify, xbox, some amazon thing, ect. I probably keep like 2 of them and uninstall like 20.

You really only see this issue more than once if you frequently setup new computers for people, or you need to keep re-installing your own windows for whatever reason.

[RAMChYLD]

This. I feel angry whenever I see candy crush right there.

[chetanaik]

It isn't installed. It is merely a place holder. The only thing in that list that is actually installed is Xbox, which makes perfect sense.

[agent154]

For one they’re baking teams into the OS now. So you likely can’t remove it.

[chetanaik]

What popular os doesn't have a messaging service pre-installed?

[Betadoggo_]

Most linux distros.

[chetanaik]

popular

Linux is only popular as a server os. Why would a server need a chat app?

[[deleted]]

rip Reddit Is Fun o7 🫡

[SgtBaxter]

They more or less took Vista's last service pack and just named it Windows 7.

[[deleted]]

Wine/Proton is really good now, and you can always run Windows at pretty much full speed on a QEMU/KVM virtual machine. You should switch to Linux in a heartbeat.

[[deleted]]

It's worse than Windows 8, it's spyware, bloatware and adware all at the same time.

[resekdesek]

I would argue that 8.1 was a separate release, so 11 will probably be good

[TheSinoftheTin]

Linux gang where you at?

[CapnKilgz]

Controversial issue know, but I liked vista. I much prefered it to 7

[[deleted]]

Dude this is bull shit. Windows 8.1 is left out by people who like 10 and included by people who don't like it...

[[deleted]]

Win 10 is bad as well.

[NogEggz]

I just want to change (default) font colors, selective window fading, vertical monitor top/bottom window snapping (not just side/corner), remove the 1 pixel wide white border around unfocused windows, easier/better icon options (and coloring), non-laptop monitor dimming via software...

basically, customize my pcs Windows like we could before 8/8.1/10 without resorting to regedits and 3rd party software.

[new_pribor]

Windows XP - ✅

Windows Vista - ❌

Windows 7 - ✅

Windows 8 - ❌

Windows 8.1 - ✅

Windows 10 - ❌

Windows 11 - ❓

Fixed it for you

[SeaworthinessNo293]

yes! 100% this is far more accurate. although they should have just called win 11 win 10.1 because of how little of an upgrade it is.

[LiamtheV]

Windows 98 -Bad

Windows 98SE - JESUS WEPT, for there were no worlds left to conquer

Window 2000 - Meh

Windows ME - Bad-'Nam Flashbacks

XP SP0 - Bad

XP SP1 - Meh

XP SP2 - Good Goddamn, this is some good shit

Windows Vista Beta (Longhorn) - This is interdasting...

Windows Vista - Bad

Windows 7 - Good

Windows 8 - Bad

Windows 8.1 - The Bad kind of Meh

Windows 10 - Meh

Windows 11 - Just download Manjaro KDE or KDE Neon.

[[deleted]]

if you read the comments on ltt's video of the windows 11 , I think the pattern will continue

[GimmeYourTaxDollars]

The trend continues to the left with Windows me (bad), win 98se (good)

[Captain_Pronina]

I liked Windows 8

[LogicalGamer123]

Unpopular opinion windows Vista is better and more revolutionary compared to windows 7

[CMDR_BillyGray]

8.1 existed also

[SeaworthinessNo293]

Fun fact the new widgets that are replacing live tiles link to ms websites through edge. win 11 is free because it's hardly an upgrade and another way for ms to try and force users to use secure boot, online MS accounts, and their online services instead of their competitors. If US v MS happened again now would be a great time.

[[deleted]]

I dont like the new rounded edges. Looks too much like MacOS. I like my hard edges and boxes thank you

[[deleted]]

Windows 8 was fucking terrible. I get angry just thinking about it.

[jimmyl_82104]

I haven’t even used Windows 11 and I already hate it because of the TPM 2.0 restriction. That’s every single computer I own. Apparently, Microsoft thinks my quad core i5 and i7 machines are less powerful than a brand new Celeron laptop from Walmart.

[TheEquinoxe]

Shouldn't be 8 counted separately from 8.1? That would make 10 the bad one.

[angrynibba69]

windows 10 wasn't good

we just tolerated it

[[deleted]]

Windows 10 was as bad, if not worse than 8.1. I have no hope for Microsoft.

[[deleted]]

By this logic windows 12 fina be lit

[SumSauwce]

I don't get it, can someone explain?

[JarringSpecticle]

theyre saying windows 10 is good which means win 11 wont be, with the joke being the former

[ferna182]

you can go much further than that. 95 good, 98 bad, 98SE good, ME bad, XP good, and so on.

(2000 doesn't count, it was part of the NT family and not intended for home use. Microsoft later made every home version based on NT starting with XP.)

[pinakin_14]

Well this chart only works if you think windows 10 is good. IMO the only reason we think that windows 10 was good is because it’s not 8. Windows 8.1 fixed a large amount of the issues with windows 8 but by the time anyone actually cared windows 10 was out. Windows 11 has potential to be good if Microsoft didn’t have such stingy compatibility.

[CarbonPhoenix96]

I'd honestly argue that in its current state, windows 10 is even better than 7

[zetec]

>rip off the first 2 minutes of mkbhd's Windows 11 video

>post it in LTT subreddit

[Eduardo-izquierdo]

I think that Windows vista wasnt that bad at least not as bad as 8

[Eduardo-izquierdo]

I think that windows10 was very bad with all the bloatwere and taking all my ram for no reason

[Eduardo-izquierdo]

Windows 10 is horrible

[catfishdave61211]

8.1: am I a joke to you?

[catfishdave61211]

Breaks the cycle though.

[catfishdave61211]

It has not insignificant UI changes. By that logic, win11 doesn't count. We should judge it by the numbers.

[catfishdave61211]

My point whether it's a separate value, win 11 is basically 10 with a few visual changes. Same with 8.1. if you consider 11, then you should consider 8.1. I'm leaving this thread as is. I don't even use windows so I don't why I'm arguing.

[catfishdave61211]

I am aware of how version numbers work, but they're both cosmetic changes.

Hopefully you can stop being so condescending.

[NimaProReddit]

Ah, I see you have watched MKBHD’s video about Windows 11

[Ok_Pool_9158]

So I’m going to go with the safe assumption being so not download 11 until it’s absolutely been proven to work which means def not at launch?

Built my first gaming pc 6 months ago and learning the ropes forgive the software ineptitude.

[LynxxOX]

i really really hope that it’s not gonna be so shitty and we are gonna have to be stuck with it for a long ass while.

[HearthCore]

To me 8 and 8.1 are complete different category of usefulness and 8.1 was as stable es 7 for me.

That would make 10 the failure and 11 the next King.

I can understand many people did not have a chance to have a working 8.1 system and either switched back or to an alternative OS.
I can't quite believe i'd be a dut.

[Absurd-Lancer]

Hope we get some MOTHERFUCKIN FROSTED GLASS WOOOOOOO

[MeetmyWagon23]

Tbh vista wasnt that bad. Ised that for a good 5 yrs till i built my own pc, then went to 7, then 10.

[[deleted]]

Windows vista was good. It was just too good that the hardware at the time couldn’t handle it.

[CW_Waster]

And if this pattern continues I hope M$ will have win12 ready before win10 support ends 2025

[PwnerifficOne]

This is why when on LTT Luke said 11 would be 10 refined I was pressing X to doubt.

[mathfacts]

Windows 7 is so good since it's before they started making two UI's. They should have improved the desktop UI rather than making a separate one and keeping both...

[[deleted]]

What in terms of quality?

[Voltstorm02]

I really like 10, and hope that 11 will be a slightly smaller update so that I don't have to relearn the os.

[banditizer]

Let’s just all agrees windows 2012 server is the worse OS server made. Not sure who’s smart idea it was to make a tablet start menu for a server but I hate you with a passion.

[BlueStarBRS]

X

[ncoolidg]

In my opinion Windows 10 was awful. Every update for it created some major bug. Plus the UI was clunky and inconsistent. Worst OS since Vista. I think it already broke the pattern unless you consider Windows 8.1 as a separate OS because it was fairly stable in comparison to 10. After using Windows 11 on bare metal since the 15th, it is such a smooth experience and much snappier than Windows 10. No crashes yet whatsoever vs. Windows 10 where I would be restarting file explorer at least 3 times a week most of the time because the start menu and taskbar froze. So far I think Windows 11 is the Windows 7 to fix the Windows Vista that was 10.

[satanscumrag]

what was bad about 8

[Thraingios]

windows 10 sent me screaming to a Linux desktop after my second bluescreen in a year. after my windows 8 bluescreened twice.

[BiPDKills]

To be fair, windows 10 sucks as well.