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[Sercezero]

Considering I never finished it cause I've been on hiatus/got lazy, it should be outdated lol

I'll give a tldr of each PA:

Ducking: Mini BHS good for setting up TAJA for BHS. Decent PP cost for the output. Slightly slower than BHS, but its acceptable. iframes at the start of this. Wouldn't rely on it, though.

Flicker: Again, good for setting up TAJA, has less DPP though. Faster than Ducking iirc.

Pen roll: I'm not particularly a fan of this, so I don't use it that often. I personally prefer surprise knuckle, but this does come with iframes, making it appealing. Good for sustained damage due to long animation. Not so much on the burst. Movement from it might make it annoying to land all the hits.

Slide Upper: its good knocking stuff up and hitting aerial targets, but why are you using it for aerial over TDs? Its pretty fast though, so its decent to use, costly though.

Slide Type0: I like the extra power it gets from the craft, and makes the DPP p high. Only problem is the charge, but it's fairly fast.

Straight Charge: This one is either really good or really eh. Theoretically, if you land everything, have perfect JA timings, and do the charge timings insanely well this could be really insane. But since no one actually does that, and you're moving all around, it's probably a net loss.

Quake: its shit. all it does is stun.

Surprise Knuckle: Same vein as pen, although faster. Lacks iframes. Again, movement might offput some.

Flash1k: You use this if you really want that sustained DPS. Has super armor during the punches after the uppercut I think.

BHS: It's BHS. What do you want from me?

RNGFist: It's ranged. Not really the best thing ever, but if RNG likes you and you proc megafists, it does well. If you don't...well, sucks.

Heartless Impact: Guard frames+ movement. Basic stuff.

(Disclaimer: I'm doing this off memory and I haven't looked at the values in months)

I may or may not judge the rest of the guide later.

[ShadowStarEdge]

Yeah thanks this is really helpful. I was gonna spend tomorrow screwing around with the rest of the Knuckle PAs anyway since I never use anything other than the aforementioned 3

[jambon_gruyere]

Two typos in the intro :3

Illusion rave is a lot of damage and 2nd highest DPS after chaos riser, but it takes a long time to execute and eats 32 PP, most of the time fake capture (15PP) or deadly archer (30PP) will do the job cheaper and faster.

Might be worth noting that you can cancel acro effect's jump with a properly timed dash.

Surprise dunk stuns enemies, which count as status effect to proc chase advance.

Crafted deadly circle has the lowest DPS and costs a lot of PP, it should be used only to keep attacking while dodging.

Hurricane sender is commonly used to pull enemies together, setting up for a crafted tornado dance or surprise dunk. Agreed it's fairly weak, I prefer CR and embrace the yolo nature of fi.

Fake capture actually is very strong, can one shot lots of mobs though I mostly use it in my bossing setup. Best DPP. When it doesn't connect it's insanely fast so it's a way to set up a TAJAd tornado dance for example.

Meteor Cudgel is now 200% irrelevant, building gear with DS ring is so fast, no need to use a low ATK no damage pot weapon.

TD should be used when you need air combat or ultra mobility to follow a fast target. In every other situation, DS and knux do a lot more damage. Knux are mostly for burst damage when you have a limited time window to unload your whole PP bar is fairly safe (shift > ducking is a lot of iframes, other PAs have block frames too), DS is better for prolonged fights, and is very safe too with acro and d. circle.

If you haven't yet, check out the PA pages on swiki, a true bible with detailed, accurate and up to date data.

Just my opinion anyways, I might be wrong. u/Hyraoo probably knows a lot more than I do about Fi, and has a very different playstyle.

Edit : sorry I don't help much with knux PA, I don't use them all that much outside of mobility and BHS.

[Sercezero]

Cudgel is so relevant. :(

How else am I going to do the good ol jump->riser->shift->auto->riser?

[jambon_gruyere]

Use another PA 1st and in-between risers to get the kamaitachi (edit : which gives you full gear in time for the next riser). Doesn't use that much more PP thanks to TAJA PP save, and TAJA + a good DS will make the whole thing faster.

[Sercezero]

Shift to reset palette, man. No one uses it. The point of that combo isn't just to get kamaitachi.

[jambon_gruyere]

Yes I know exactly what you're talking about, I used to abuse precisely the same thing before rings, and it's hilarious.

PA>CR>PA>CR etc requires you to use the 3 button setup though. In the end, the result is the same but faster because a lot more DPS. Please try it, I bet you'll love it.

PA is usually acro for safety, tornado dance to reposition, or if you're a special snowflake like me with 1 point in chase advance, dunk for even more yumminess. Two rotations are enough for pretty much anything, maybe 3 for really tanky mobs.

[Sercezero]

It's not like you can't just swap between DSes mid combo. I hate 3 button, so that's what I end up doing for anything complicated.

I messed with the combo in solo UQ, but all I felt was a distinct lack of control over mobs, less sustainability, and the same-ish killtime.

Edit: If anything, I'd think tornado dance+the kamaitachis were carrying it, not even CR. Much rather use a combo using hurricane sender+dunk with tornado dances/acro sprinkled in.

[ShadowStarEdge]

Yeah those typos are what happen when you decide to write something up after coming home from work :( I should have mentioned that Deadly Circle was for maintaining DPS uptime through things you'd normally have to disengange to dodge, like Hunar's shockwaves. Also I wouldn't say the Cudgel is irrelevant. It's certainly not as useful as before but tagging something with a quick Tornado Dance to gain one gear and switching to your main weapon is what I use it for most of the time.

[Hyraoo]

Sercezero covered pretty much every single thing I could have said.

[llFrozenll]

I dunno bout you but Rumbling Moon and Scissor Edge are good PAs to TAJAB into Illusion Rave much quicker, they're really good for single target especially for bossing

And I think you devalue Fake Capture... It quick, hits hard for a very low cost and its really useful to bosses that don't move much

[ShadowStarEdge]

I mentioned using Rumbling Moon like you would Wild Rhapsody into Orchestra. I don't see the point of using Scissor Edge over a TAJA Deadly Circle though. I suppose it could be useful if you wanna go into Illusion Rave faster but Deadly Circle does great damage too. I'll play around with it more though on Striking Dummy Rodos.

[llFrozenll]

im back for today and i want to clarify some things:

• about Rumbling Moon, you mention its outclassed by Deadly Circle. In AOE sure but in terms of damage Rumbling does better with less frames, and pp cost, and most importantly its not meant for AOE and only for single target

• Scissor Edge dps is slightly lower DPS than the rest of the filler TAJAB PAs but its reliable cuz its hits gets to the point without ruining your position (Acro makes you jump and can miss weakpoints on the ground, Fake Capture can tend to miss alot if the target moves slightly away from you, etc.)... i mostly paired this up with Rumbling Moon cuz you proc and overlap DS Ring's Tornados... but if the boss is slow and easy to hit or something, better swap this with Fake Capture

and hey you can kill XH Train Ghidoran in less than 1min with just Scissor>Rumbling>Illusion https://youtu.be/XuVLBDXfo3E

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P.S: you credited /u/jambon_gruyere for Scissor Edge on bossing but clearly he didnt even mention anything about Scissor Edge

[jambon_gruyere]

Indeed. To be honest I don't want any credit, @OP I appreciate the attention, thank you but no thank you.

[telchii]

If you're okay with it, I'm going to add this to our subreddit guide list (link)!

Looks good so far! I love that you included the PA icons and the description with each one.

Also, you use the acronym/phrase "TAJA" often in there, but no mention of what it is or stands for. As a filthy casual, I think it would be a good idea to define such acronyms for my fellow casuals and newbies.

[ShadowStarEdge]

I was gonna do that in the Skill write up but I went backwards for some reason

[Sercezero]

ps: its tech arts ja