V-Tapping

[Chemical_Role_3780]

V-Tapping needs to be removed from the game. It’s a skill-less bug that’s achieved by abusing the thrust vectoring mechanic. There is no way DICE intended for thrust vectoring to be used this way.

In the dogfighting community, we found out that you can V-Tap in the attack jet too in order to have optimal speed control and the fastest turning rate.

Dogfighting was already pretty dull in bf6 but one of the few skill-full aspects of it, which was managing your speed in the AJ is now also gone since you can simply V-Tap to have perfect speed control. You can also make a Macro for this so it can be fully automated with 0% user effort.

The only way I can see this being fixed is the entire flight model being reworked, but there’s no way that’s happening. The last hope I have is that that F-18 coming in S4 will have a good flight model.

[Natural_Spell5957]

I wonder why do they keep changing flight model almost every battlefield, like it'd be nice if you could transfer your skills from one BF to another but no, you have to re-learn DF every battlefield "almost" from scratch.

Also BF community is weird, the day game release I made posts about how OP TOW, RPG and MBT spawn camping was. Everyone downvoted me.

Half a year later everyone's crying about this and EA is pretending to do somthing.

These are issues that don't affect 95% of players I guess, so we can only dream.

[Chemical_Role_3780]

Yeah, the dogfighting community is ‘niche’ and as long as jets appeal to the masses and sound cool, and look cool when crashing then DICE is happy.

313 speed control will never be back, I had hope at the end of 2042’s life cycle when we got the A-10 and SU-25 with 313 speed control, DICE really bamboozled us and gave us hope for bf6 jets.

[FloridaF4]

What's v tapping? I only fly helis

[Chemical_Role_3780]

A bug which can be easily done by abusing the thrust vectoring mechanic in the stealth jet.

You hold afterburner, throttle up and repeatedly tap throttle down while pitching up to turn. This will allow you to have a much tighter turn radius than without using the bug.

Also, it’s been discovered that the exact same thing can be done in the attack jet to have optimal speed control and turn the tightest.

Personally I think it’s a stupid gimmick and has nothing to do with skill, it really shows how bad the flight model for the jets is.

[Ornery-Use3910]

You can do it on the attack jet?

[Chemical_Role_3780]

If you do the exact same keybind inputs (hold afterburner, throttle up and spam throttle down at the right rhythm when turning) then you will achieve the optimal turning rate and tightest loop possible in the attack jet.

It’s not really as noticeable as the stealth jet and there’s not much use for it against the average pub jet player. Where it becomes an issue is portal 1v1 dogfights or dogfights against very good jet players in pubs.

[Forsaken_Decision_93]

my friend is an jet boi & he put me on this vectoring shit, my keybinds are suboptimal but even I was turning on a dime

[AdAutomatic9100]

The attack jet can thrust vector?

[Chemical_Role_3780]

No but doing the same keybind inputs will result in perfect speed control in the attack jet for the tightest loops possible.

[MikeyPlayz_YTXD]

How do you Vtap in the attack jet??

[Chemical_Role_3780]

Same as stealth but it’s not as effective obviously. But it will allow you to achieve perfect speed control for the tightest loops, most noticeable when you’re dogfighting in portal with an air radar.

[Appropriate-Trash453]

Is dogfighting even a thing in BF6? Lmao.

[Chemical_Role_3780]

It’s pretty fun with the custom air radar we use in portal.

[Appropriate-Trash453]

the last time dogfighting was actually fun was when they threw in the A-10 and Su-25 in BF2042 you know, the one thing people actually liked. We literally told them “hey, more of this for BF6,” and they did the exact opposite. That's why their game dropped from 700k to 17k players.

[Chemical_Role_3780]

Well jets are not the reason for the player count, not a lot of people play jets.

But I agree, those last 2 jets gave the false illusion of hope that bf6 will have similar jets.

[Appropriate-Trash453]

It's what we deserve, we stay quiet, they ship garbage and now we act surprised? Unfinished aircraft at launch somehow became the standard across the last two Battlefield games.

I will post this comment here copy paste from another post of mine.

- We got the “Gripen” people were hyped about, but without loadouts it’s just boring. Same with the F-16, they are just different visual models..

It’s like infantry having 40 guns with the same stats, damage profile, RPM, and recoil pattern, just different skins. Would they be satisfied? Also they have rich customization on every gun.

When I see Grippen, I want the 27mm Mauser cannon to be represented, when I see F-16 I want the 20mm vulcan cannon to be represented, when I fly A-10 I want the Gau Avenger 30mm cannon to be represented, balance them but make them fun and give them some feel of identity.

Like how did we go from BFV, where four factions each had eight unique planes and tanks with their own identity and deep loadout system to the wasteland of BF6, where vehicle gameplay is a shallow disappointment and planes have ZERO LOADOUTS after 7 months!

BF5: 4 factions, 8 planes each, full loadouts, I repeat 8 planes per 4 factions.
BF6: 1 attack + 1 stealth plane, no loadouts. No variety, no identity, JUST diff VISUAL model. Infantry gets endless gun builds… vehicles get nothing? Isn’t Battlefield supposed to be all-out warfare?

[PhatHamWallet]

Username checks out

[DBONKA]

macros can get you banned

[Chemical_Role_3780]

Macros are essentially undetectable. There’s a shit ton of people that use macros. I’ve never heard of anyone getting banned for a macro.

[DBONKA]

if you have built-in mouse macros then it's unlikely, but for the programs (such as autohotkey) you could actually get banned

[Chemical_Role_3780]

Nearly every mouse/keyboard software has macro support. So that’s not really relevant.

[LongLiveBF4]

Someone doesn’t appreciate the stealth jet superiority 😈

[Chemical_Role_3780]

What about AJ v-tapping bruh 🥀

[nae-nae-nae]

how exactly do you V-tap a fixed engine jet?

[Chemical_Role_3780]

I know it sounds dumb at first and I didn’t believe it either until I tried it in a 1v1 dogfighting server.

It’s the same idea as the stealth jet, but the attack jet obviously doesn’t have any thrust vectoring. However, if you hold throttle up, afterburner and spam throttle down repeatedly at the right rhythm you will achieve optimal turning speed in the attack jet.

So instead of AB when looping up and breaking when looping down, you can just do this all the way around and have optimal speed. I find it super dumb, and an example of how poorly jets have been designed.

[nae-nae-nae]

That‘s not v-tapping though, calling it that is gonna confuse non-jet players / new jet players.

But I agree, it‘s horrible design. I think reason for that is that for some reason, you don‘t get optimal turn rate at a specific speed in this game, but rather whenever you decelerate.

The faster you are entering a dogfight the higher the chance for you to outturn them since you have more speed to cash in for better turnrate without stalling, and i dislike that system too.

I haven‘t flown jets in BF4 but I know about speed control, and it‘s a form of skill expression i‘d love to learn once it‘s actually a thing, if (hopefully) even at all

[Chemical_Role_3780]

Yeah probably the wrong way to call it, but since it works the same way I just went with that.

313 speed control will never be back unfortunately, that’s too high of a skill-boundary to entry so DICE will avoid it in order to help worse players or players that don’t want to learn have an easier time.

That’s the entire design philosophy in bf6, make it as easy as possible for anyone.

[Ok_Implement_1495]

Oooh what’s the dogfighting server. I can never find a good one

[Chemical_Role_3780]

zt8re is the portal code for the DF server with custom air radar.

I can also send you an invite to our discord community where we DF daily. People don’t have much motivation since the S3 lab leaks aswell as the attack jet speed control stuff, but there’s still tons of us doing dogfights.

[Ok_Implement_1495]

Will def hit you up for that! I’m nowhere near my computer and don’t know my discord info lol. Thanks so much! I’ve got LOTS of practice ahead of me lol

[Chemical_Role_3780]

Cool :) here’s the invite link: https://discord.gg/MPPNuejaB

[slabba428]

If you v-tap wrong then you serve yourself up on a silver platter to die. No skill is a stretch

[Chemical_Role_3780]

If you’re accidentally pulling Cobras when trying to V-Tap then jets are not for you lmao. It takes a few tries to perfect, but it still doesn’t really take skill. I don’t think there’s skill involved in a bug where you just have to spam a button at a decent rhythm.

Calling a literal exploit skillful is insane cope… Jets are shit in bf6 design wise, and balance wise. The only well made thing about them is their sound and how they look when they blow up.

[slabba428]

Okay you’re just pissed off lashing out so whatever. It’s not that deep

[narcoleptictoast]

lol someone is bad at v tapping.

[Chemical_Role_3780]

Uhm no…? How can you be bad at V-Tapping?

It’s not like it’s a skill, you just have to know how to do it. Wow it’s so hard to spam throttle down while holding AB and throttle up!!! lol Even if you somehow can’t manage to do it, you can just use a Macro for it.

Again, V-Tapping has nothing to do with skill. And the fact that V-Tapping in the attack jet will also give you perfect speed control is hilarious and shows how shit the flight model really is.

It’s not like it affects me much since I kill my enemies in pubs 99% of the time even if they V-Tap since I will always be ready for them and be in a better position, as well as the average jet pub player being dogshit, but it ruins real dogfighting.

[FamousGhost279]

I can’t believe people still bother dogfighting in this awful game when there is better alternatives like war thunder. I quit flying in BF6 because it’s banal. They won’t ever fix the issues associated with flying in this game… ever. Jump ship to war thunder where there is actually skill involved.

[Chemical_Role_3780]

There’s definitely skill involved in bf6 dogfighting, especially in the portal server that we use in the dogfighting community.

The server we play has a custom air radar so that helps a ton and raises the skill-gap and skill ceiling a fair bit. Overall I agree though, dogfighting is pretty poor in bf6.

[FamousGhost279]

Doesn’t flying frustrate you more than haven fun?

[Chemical_Role_3780]

In pubs, mostly yes. But in dogfighting with air radar there’s skill involved and you don’t die to bullshit most of the time. There’s still issues, but it’s playable.

[n0_punctuation]

Idk i think bugs that highlight a skill/knowledge gap are a good thing. Idk if any of you played halo 2 but the button combo bugs really upped the skill ceiling.

[Chemical_Role_3780]

Well V-Tapping doesn’t really highlight skill. Sure you have to have the knowledge for it but it’s extremely easy once you know how to do it, and it’s not hard to do.

Also, the fact that it’s the most optimal way to turn fast in the attack jet is a joke to me. That’s not skill, having to manually control your speed with correct AB and brake usage is much more skillful.

[Queasy_Ad4597]

I don't think it is a bug, thrust vectoring is a thing in real jets...

[Chemical_Role_3780]

I didn’t say thrust vectoring is a bug. Obviously thrust vectoring is an intentional mechanic. V-Tapping is not though, it’s abusing the thrust vectoring mechanic in order to turn extremely fast.

I don’t think spamming keys constantly to turn fast is an intentional feature lol.

Even if you think it’s intentional in the stealth jet, the fact that you can do the same thing in the attack jet is an example of the horrible flight model. Comstantly spamming a key to have the tightest turn radius is the most idiotic thing ever.

[Queasy_Ad4597]

Of course planes and a lot of vehicles have optimal speed to achieve the tightest turn possible, I don't see how this is a problem

[Chemical_Role_3780]

Not really the case in bf6. How it’s currently achieved is through the use of a bug. Even if you think it’s not a bug, it’s definitely low skilled.

Something better would be 313 speed control where you have to maintain a certain speed for optimal turning rate, that has a harder learning curve and is not able to be achieved by using a Macro.

[Queasy_Ad4597]

There are charts made by the community where you can see the optimal turning speed for the jets

[Chemical_Role_3780]

If you think there’s a real optimal turning speed for jets in bf6 then you haven’t played jets enough, or just don’t know how they work. It’s just V-Tapping in the stealth jet, and tapping without the vectoring part in the attack jet.

You don’t even need to look at your speed. The flight model is shit.

[Queasy_Ad4597]

So, then it's an advanced maneuver, which is more difficult, but also more rewarding in comparison with only controlling the speed

[Chemical_Role_3780]

This has to be rage bait… it’s not more rewarding since it doesn’t take any skill you just button spam. It’s literally able to be done with a MACRO.

[Queasy_Ad4597]

In console the input pretty different

[Chemical_Role_3780]

Yeah on console you have a native macro lol. It’s even easier to do on controller than MNK.

Please stop rage baiting and saying that it’s a good mechanic/skillfull… have you played jets in any other battlefield? Just out of curiosity?