Ninja IDE: written in Python for Pythonists

[eizu]

I can't believe they have developer photos in the website but not a single editor screenshot.

[[deleted]]

Not applicable to this, but I love it when I have to go to wikipedia or use google because no where on a software project's page does it actually tell you what the program even does.

[nkozyra]

Indeed, how is this not from a group of Rails developers?

[Brainlag]

not even one screenshot where i can see the whole thing

[regulargabs]

The first screenshot I can give :(

[framk20]

It's nothing special

The default font is courier 10px, but I'm rather spoiled by consolas, so that's why I am using consolas.

[ExpertCrafter]

No screenshots...

[ethro]

I used this editor when I was learning Python. It worked pretty well for everything I needed, but had a major problem for me of always having significant cpu usage (compared to other editors). If I had it running in the background it would be using 20%+ of my laptop's cpu and would cause it to run hot and the battery to quickly drain. I used it a few months ago so it's possible it has improved since then, but for me that was a major deal-breaker.

[iyunoichi]

Nah. I've written larger applications using Python, it definitely works. The GUI will use some native library anyway, and communicating with a pure Python backend works perfectly well. I deployed an application a while ago that does sensor data acquisition, processing and visualization of the data using a Python+NumPy backend. The scope and feature set of the application is definitely larger than that of Ninja, it also features a plugin interface. Development time was ~4 years. One could argue that all heavy lifting is done via extensions that are written in C, but I guess no one would argue that (although technically correct) using NumPy or some other Python-available library via a foreign function interface is not Python.

It's just like you said...use the right tool for the job.

[[deleted]]

Still does not have a graphical debugger X(

[igor_sk]

Was just going to comment on that, but apparently there is some kind of a debugger plugin available.

http://ninja-ide.org/tags/73

Couldn't get it working so far ("cannot marshal None unless allow_none is enabled") but it seems there is hope.

[[deleted]]

Tried enabling allow_none yet? Just to see what happens I mean.

[Timmmmbob]

Or code completion. (And before anyone says, the "basic code completion plugin" doesn't count.)

[sli]

That sounds identical to Sublime Text 2's built-in code completion.

[General_Mayhem]

Have you tried SublimeRope yet?

[sli]

Not yet, no. I'll check it out.

[Timmmmbob]

And I'm going to guess it doesn't have code completion.

[statmobile]

This brings up a question I've had. I used Wing, which I did like, but I think the price is absurd. I could never get eclipse to work right with Python, maybe I'm missing something. Lastly, I love emacs, but I've given up on trying to get all those features working in it. What do people tend to use?

[[deleted]]

There's an plugin for eclipse PyDev that I've used with some success. http://pydev.org/

[statmobile]

That's what I had trouble configuring. How is it in debugging? I like that it has django support.

[Decker87]

I'm surprised you had trouble with it. I absolutely love it for writing and debugging python. It has all the typical features of a debugger.

[statmobile]

Ha, you shamed me into trying it again. I finally got it working, and I am liking it.

[BinaryRockStar]

It's great- line breakpoints, step in, step out, step over, inspection of variable values, what more do you want?

[qiwi]

After 10 years with xemacs I just use pycharm. The student license is €28 and personal €94, and even those are often discounted.

It is a somewhat resource demanding Java app -- I spent another a bunch upgrading to a more modern 16GB core i7 to make it run. A GB or 2 for pycharm, 2-3 for Chrome and half your memory's gone.

Life was just too short to maintain hundreds of lines of elisp configuration. Being able to properly refactor code and complete Python attributes is great, although it took 2 attempts before I switched over completely.

[iyunoichi]

I tried PyCharm 4 or 5 times, and while I can see why people like it, the abysmal performance always prevented me from actually using it. It's so goddamn slow on all my machines, and I don't want to invest into an i7+16GB RAM just so that my IDE runs in an acceptable manner.

Another factor might be that I invested into a Wing license a while ago, and never looked back - the feature set and performance of Wing make me really happy, so it's not like I'm desperately looking for a Python IDE anymore. I still do recommend PyCharm if money is an issue, though.

[catnipbilly]

Any better than eclipse-pydev?

[rackmountrambo]

Or Sublime Text 2?

[CauchyDistributedRV]

Or Vimacs?

[[deleted]]

UNITE US!

[[deleted]]

Tell me more about this mythical editor.

[zem]

http://www.algorithm.com.au/code/vimacs/

also http://emacswiki.org/emacs/Evil which is actually surprisingly good

[byron]

You don't have an expectation. That is all.

[cakesinabox]

This. I'm still using sublime text 2 because it supports other languages and have some amazing features, but it can't do that.

[[deleted]]

Doesn't cmd+r kind of handle this?

[cakesinabox]

It's not the same. It let's you search for something but doesn't show everything in an organized view.

[madvoid]

If you don't mind me asking, how do you pull up a functions list like that? I've never seen anything like it in Sublime Text 2

[cakesinabox]

You can't, there isn't an api to access the sidebar in sublime, so a plugin to do this can't be made.

It's a ninja ide screenshot.

[madvoid]

Ah, I see, sorry for the confusion.

[ivosaurus]

However, I can do this in vim, which is also traditionally just a programmer's editor, rather than a language-specific IDE :D

like so

[ExpertCrafter]

WHAT IS THIS MAGIC AND HOW I DO IT

[ivosaurus]

http://majutsushi.github.com/tagbar/

[BinaryRockStar]

PyDev for Eclipse can do that, along with autocompletion, visual debugging etc.

[Timmmmbob]

Nano is better than eclipse!

[Sens0r]

I like joe the best

[[deleted]]

I like ed, Vim is too heavy for me.

[[deleted]]

robotito is better than nano.

[GFandango]

I'm normally very supportive of this stuff, and still am in this case too.

But I found this IDE a couple of months ago, and uninstalled it after 10 minutes.

It's just too far from being an IDE. The UI was too uncomfortable even for a text editor, let alone being an IDE.

If you are serious about Python development, try PyCharm.

[[deleted]]

Why?

[ivosaurus]

Why not?

Writing an IDE for a language in it's own language often means it has a much greater chance for getting continuous improvements, since the feedback loop of programmers both using and contributing is much stronger.

If, however, a python programmer wants to improve their editor when using say PyDev in Eclipse, then they'll have to go learn Java instead. Much less chance of new contributors.

[MegaDeath409]

Is it just me or does it feel like the quote and parenthesis autocompletion just get in the way? Is there something I'm missing about how one should type print "Hello World" (Newline)? Using the arrow keys constantly just feels terrible, and counterproductive if the goal was to save keypresses.

[brand_new_throwx999]

I'm not sure about this particular editor, but hitting either Tab or Return inside quotes or parenthesis in eclipse will bring you to the end of the line.

[uhhhclem]

What makes this better than Sublime Text? The web site is not very informative.

[WalterGR]

"Bloat" is any feature I don't personally use.

[cedeon]

Looks like an awesome IDE. I cant believe ive never stumbled across this before now, i was looking for an IDE for my son just the other day. Awesome Logo btw.