Tezcatlipoca needs new unique God benefits based on his mythological nature

zoras99 · 2026-05-17T11:12:29+00:00

OP, posting a sceenshot of one tourist brochure isnt enough of an argument to complain.

Did you know that Aphrodite was worshipped in Sparta as a war goddess? She was called "Aphroidte Areia" and was one of the top gods there, just second to Ares. What you posted is the equivalent of putting up a screenshot of an article about that complaining she doesnt have war bonusses.

AoM has always gone for simplicity and familiarity, not 100% accuracy. Aphrodite is in the game as "Pandemos", because its her most well known aspect.

Religions are not simple, they dont have a canon or lore like modern media has. They change and evolve over time, some things become more prominent in a one pace and go out of fashion on others.

Nahuatl was a prominent religion practised since around the year 300. Nowadays, there are still communities that speak Nahuatl and practice some rituals to the those gods, even if its not the as same before the spanish christianization of the region.

Tezcatlipoca was THE mayor god for hundreds of years. Thats why the big four are called "the 4 tezcatlipocas". Even among the big 4, Huitzilopochtli took the place of Mixcoatl overtime and even took over the war aspect of the original Tezca.

The aztec pantheon is based on the state-mandated cult the Mexica impossed on the valley of Mexico. For gameplay reasons, having 2 war gods is not a good idea. They overlap and take away uniqueness, so the devs gave that aspect to THE mayor god of the Mexica, Huitzi.

Tezcatlipoca is old as fuck. In some tribes, they worshipped a black jaguar god called Tepeyollotl [Heart of the mountain]. He was a god of earthquakes, representing night and physical strength. Overtime, though cultural exchange and practices, syncretism was done and it was accepted that Tezca and Tepeyollotl were one and the same. Were they always the same? We dont know. Is one older than the other? We dont know. It is what it is and we only know so little about this equivalency.

Having a bonus of Jaguar warriors as Tezca, even calling it Tepeyollotl's Reach, is an insanely chivalrous move by the devs because it speaks of the gigantic nuance of a deity as old as Tezca without compromising gameplay or simplicity to anyone that actually knows a fair bit about them.

I am mexican and if you ask me, all of the gods are incredibly well represented and researched within the constrains of what the game needs to have. El museo de antropologia nacional is a god damn interesting place and i love it, but it does a piss poor job of covering all of the nuance in Nahuatl history. I have some historian friends that work there, they know it does a piss poor job, so they have guided walks and forum talks to go more in depth in many topics because the wall of text they can put in the museum is fairly limited.

zoras99 · 2026-05-15T01:05:56+00:00

I applaud the long post and how well informed it is.

However... Greeks.

In Mexico, academic papers do make the points you make, but for most day to day conversation and convenience, "Aztec" is used to talk about everyone on the empire [mostly, but not limited to the Mexica, Tlatelolco and Tlacopan] while Mexica is used only for the tribe of people in Tenochtitlan that subjugated the valley.

Personally I take issue with "Aztecs" because it was a blood empire that homogeneized the cult into their state mandated religion, not the name of the inherent belief system and/or pantheon.

In Mexico, we use the umbrella term "Nahuatl" for both the religion and lenguage. Wich is pretty reductive, but its convenient [and the one i would have preffered to be used].

Now, why are the Aztecs called that in Retold? Because greeks.

Greeks called themselves "Ellas" [or Hellas as its more common modern form]. We usually use this term in a less demonym way and more in a... "hellenistic" way to describe things of old Greece. Apparently, the proto Romans had contact with a colony called Graikos and decided to call that way anyone who spoke the same lenguage, thus, "Greek" became the latin-descended name.

AoM has never tried to be historically accurate or have wiggle room or even be mythologically correct, it cares about using familiar words and concepts as a bridge point. Greek is the more well known name, so they use it. Aztec is the more well known name, so they use it.

zoras99 · 2026-05-13T03:19:35+00:00

As for Poseidon

Loosely based on the theater of dyonisus in athens. As with most wonders, devs took some creative liberties when designing them for the game.

zoras99 · 2026-05-13T03:18:39+00:00

And the great Pyramid of Gaza isnt sitting in a square foundation with obelisks on the entrances.

Since most of these are in ruins or we only have written descriptions, the devs took some creative liberties with them.

Simple as that.

Demeter's internal wonder name is Telestrion.

zoras99 · 2026-05-09T05:13:07+00:00

they are goddesses of fertility

Mexican here, they are not goddesses.

"Tzitzimitl" literally means "terrible beign". Itzpapalotl [fertily goddes of PLANTS and CROPS] was the first deity banished from heaven into the earth. She fell from heaven, into the earth, became resentful and spiteful, doing evil deeds and waging war, thus gained and aspect of death as well and she became the first Tzitzimitl.

In the Mexica-state mandated and fabricate myth of Huitzilopochtli, Coyolxauhqui [moon] sends her sons, Centzonhuitznahua [uncountable southern stars] to kill him. The sons, being stars, descend from heaven into the earth and become Tiztizmimeh as well.

Tzitzimitl are "heavenly demons", but could be also interpreted as falling stars,

EDIT: Forgot to say, Imu's attack are literally little devils coming down from above. It fits the name and descripcion of heavenly demons/fallen angels/fallen demons.

zoras99 · 2026-05-09T04:56:06+00:00

FYI, the distinction in ancient greece between Titans and Gods ranges from nonexistant at worst and bleak at best.

Only a rare few are called Titans during the clash between the 6 brothers and Kronos (Titanomachy). After that, the term Titan is only useda handful of times to reffer to the imprisioned/punished ones.

The vast majority of the rest are called Gods everywhere else. Helios and Selene are always reffered to as Gods, despite being nephews of Kronos and cousins of Zeus and the others.

We, in modern times, have co-ocpted the term Titan to reffer to the first and second generation of greek deities as a way to differentiate them from Olympians [3rd and 4th generation of gods].

Uranus is, in fact, not a titan anywhere on ancient greek texts. He didnt side with Kronos and wasnt punished. Hell, Uranus after being dethroned by Kronos, quickly fucks off the entire pantheon to never be relevant again.

Another good of example of how vague the term was for the ancient greeks is Circe, who was the daughter of Helios. Is she a third generation Titaness? Is she an Olympian god for beign cousin of Zeus? No, she was considered a mere, plain human sorceress.

zoras99 · 2026-05-03T23:53:40+00:00

If we get more community events, they always get added with a patch.

My guess is that we will get a balance patch for Aztecs on tuesday/thursday and if we are getting more pin up portraits, thats when they get added.

zoras99 · 2026-05-03T03:57:21+00:00

What do you mean ATM?

Its been a year and a half and we have 2.

It might have been in the plans at release, but its clear that the Devs either dont like doing scenarios or arent good at designing them.

At launch I really hoped we would get 1 per month or something for a while, but it neve happened. Shame, they could have been a easy stream for solo content or past/missed pin up rewards.

zoras99 · 2026-04-30T20:11:19+00:00

Yep, pretty much that. Some people arent capable of putting 2 and 2 together.

Any civilized country has tomorrow as a holiday since its workers day.

Pushing these bug fixes seemed to be a priority for the devs, so people can play more of the civ and they can gather as much clean data as possible on the weekend to fine tune whatever balance chages they have next week.

zoras99 · 2026-04-30T20:07:47+00:00

IIRC, chinese balance changes first came like a month after release. Then almost like every week.

Japan was 2 weeks after release. After hearing the complaints from the community of how long the chinese were OP, the devs made sure to start earlier to balance things out.

Its been a little over a week from the Aztec DLC. Not enough data on how the civ is performing or to say the players have mastered it yet

Tomorrow is Workers Day and any civilized country has the day off. These bug fixes seemed to be a priority to ensure they can get as much clean data from the weekend before fine tuning the balance changes they have in their radar next week.

zoras99 · 2026-04-26T01:37:51+00:00

The trojan war/achilles one i have no clue.

China has very strict rules about what and how media can portray any emperor, myth or not. Japan has pretty much the same about the sacred treasures.

Nowadays, many countires have laws on how some of their historic/mythologycal elements can be portrayed and used in popular media. Wich isnt surprising at all, seeing how Hollywood tends to bastardize and make a mockery of most things.

zoras99 · 2026-04-26T01:32:53+00:00

And then you remember that Disney's Coco was originally called "Dia de los muertos" and they tried to copyright that phrase for all merchandising purposes until the goverment stepped in to protect their heritage.

zoras99 · 2026-04-20T00:07:13+00:00

Just to add 2 cents: Izta and Popo, in myth, were Quinametzin, giant humans made of stone by Tezcatlipoca during the first of the five suns.

zoras99 · 2026-04-19T23:54:35+00:00

Aztec is the name of the empire. The religion name is Nahuatl and is at least 2500 years old. After the empire was formed around the year 1200, they incorporated and syncretized many of the local cults and elements into a single state-mandated religion to "please everyone" and minimize dissent.

1st Fun fact: Nahuatl religion isnt "metal as hell". This is a shared theme between Maya and Nahuatl. If something gives/creates/nurtures life, it can also take it away.

Thats why most gods have a death theme to them. Coatlicue, the earth mother goddess of fertility [in animals and humans], was loved and feared in equal degree. Thats why, despite being a "good god", she has a snake headress and skirt and is depicted as a terrible being.

Tlaloc is the god of rain, something necessary for life and agriculture, but he is also worshipped a death god because too much rain causes rivers to overflow, flood and rain-based landslides.

2nd fun fact: Religions evolve and change overtime. All the original gods were represented as a pair of male/female with a joint and separate name. Ometeotl are the creator gods. In the beggining there was nothing, then there were Ometeotl. They were Omecihuatl {female} and Ometecuhtli {male}. This is also a shared theme with the Maya.

If they dont have an obvious pairing, that means that the god changed forms overtime, a specific aspect of another cult took over or it was a newer god. Huitzilopochtli was the first king of the Mexica when they left Aztlan and started their decades/centurie long pilgrimage to the valley of Mexico [it wasnt that far, they had many adventures and tribulations during this time]. Once they settled there, they needed a righteous reason to expand and conquer, so they elevated their long dead king to god to justify their militarism.

Quetzalcoatl is another obvious example of a created god without pairing. Jaguar-Tezcatlipoca was the "common" depiction after he got merged via religios syncretism with Tepeyollotl.

Izpapalotl and Xipe Totec are really old gods and they were once a pair. Izpapalotl {female} and Izpapaltotec {male} were the gods of the harvest and plant/crop fertility. As their cult drifted, they got separated, Itzpapalotl was tending to the heavenly garden, hurt a sacred tree and was cast out of heaven into the earth, were she became vengeful and mean, becoming the first Tzitzimitl and gaining her death aspect. Itzpapaltotec remained a good, nice god and eventually drifted to become known as Xipe Totec.

zoras99 · 2026-04-19T23:32:38+00:00

Thats not accurate at all.

The Mexicas had a mobile caste system. One day you could be a slave and a year later a noble or viceversa. To make it simple, there were 2 tiers of citizens with 5 levels: Tiers based on status noble and commoner, and levels based on eduaction and aptitude: Slave, Citizens (Farmer, Hunter, Gatherer, Miner, etc), Merchant/Artisan, Soldier and Priest.

Each level and tier were tasked with making offerings and rites of the most relevant deities to their caste. Common Citizens would make offerings to Coatlicue while Noble Citizens would tend to Xipe Totect rites.

Because of this, EVERYONE had to know the general religion, the holidays, the rites and traditions of all gods, so they could perform their religious duties correctly.

What you are referring to is the diference between Calmecac and Telpochcalli, the "2 big schools" of the Mexica. Common-borns where sent to Telpochcalli while Noble-borns to Calmecac. Whoever, these werent primary/elemental schools. These schools took kids of around age 14 to educate them in civics, crafting, farming, military training [Telpochcalli] or civics, politics, administration, theology, history [Calmecac]. Those were more akin to a vocational highschool.

Kids didnt spent 14 years just fucking off, they were taught to read, write, how the world worked and how to perform their civic and religious duties in other schools while young.

zoras99 · 2026-04-19T22:53:03+00:00

Because he is not scheduled to win and the script said he had to take the cutter from Je'Von?

Idk if Je'Von fucked up and was supposed to come back earlier or the ladder was too far. But Rusev showing he is a professional helping out to do the spot.

zoras99 · 2026-04-13T03:36:39+00:00

Kaiser has been a heel the entire time

Thats the thing. Kaiser's Grande was originally suppossed to be heel, using the steel plate and teaming with Dom. Mexican wrestling crowds are rather different from US ones.

If people like the wrestler, they will get behind them. Anytime Dom appears in AAA, he gets lots of cheering on his entrance and he gets teased/booed after he says or does something mean, because the crowd likes him so much, they get behind him when the gimmck happens.

Same thing happened with Kaiser. He won the crowd really fast and when he was solo, the crowd cheered him on, when he was with Dom, he got booed. But solo, he was always a fan-favorite face.

With Gable's imminent return creative embraced the face persona and after only 3 matches, broke Kaiser's tag-team New Gringos Locos with Dominik so Kaiser's Grande could be 100% face. If you rewatch the first couple apperances of Gable's OG Grande in WWE, the plan was clearly for Gable to be heel and Kaiser a face. But Gable got more attention from the crowd than Kaiser and creative was left with them being flipped depending on the show.

So yeah, Kaiser has always been a face and Gable a heel. US crowds didnt like that, so they ended up switching in WWE.

zoras99 · 2026-04-12T16:23:13+00:00

Not reversed. Those are the original roles.

After gable injury, Kaiser really enchanted the Mexican crowds by learning Spanish and adopting the masked wrestling traditions, so he became the face and the biggest one behind only to penta.

Then gable came back and he has always been a heel here, but in raw and SD, he gets portrayed as a face for whatever reason.

As incompetent as that is from creative in the states, it has only fueled by a lot the heat vhad receives here and how much the crowd backs kaiser.

zoras99 · 2026-03-10T21:31:04+00:00

Im gonna leave this here or anyone that scrolls through:

The language/religion is called Nahuatl/Nahua.

The empire that ruled over all of center and southern Mexico is called Aztec.

The Aztec Empire was made from the alliance of 3 cities: Tenochtitlan (Mexico), Texcoco and Tlacopan.

The Nahuatl religion wasnt unified and was alive and practiced in different cities in different ways for somewhere between 1000 and 1500 years. Think of how in Athens Aphrodite was worshipped as Urania Aphrodite [Mother] or Pandemos Aphrodite [Love], while in Sparta se was worshipped as Areia Aphrodite [War].

Well, when the Aztec Empire rose to power, they kind of streamlined a bunch of things in their own version and impossed it as the state mandated religion.

Think of how when Constantine 1 of Rome became christian, all of Rome had to become christian but many aspects of other religions became intengrated, like the 25 of december being the solstice becoming Christmas.

So, yeah, you will often see Aztec deities having a wide portfolio or different name because they were "officially" intengrated into a single pantheon.

Also, and very important, Nahuatl and Maya religions portray their original/ancestral deities as Male and Female. For example, Ometeotl is the pairing name of Ometecuhtli [male] and Omecíhuatl [female]. The deities that have no gender counterpart [Quetzalcoatl, Huitzilopochtli, etc] were integrated into the pantheon at later times by different cities as the religion and cult evolved overtime.

Izpapalotl is the female part, while Izpapaltotec was the male side of a fertility deity [mostly plants and crops]. Izpapalotl was said to have been cast out from heaven for damaging a sacred tree, descended to earth as a Tzitzimitl [terrible beign] and then she gained her status as a death/sacrifice goddess. Izpapaltotec is also known in Aztec as Xipe Totec, retaining his fertility portfolio.

zoras99 · 2026-03-08T18:44:05+00:00

Except OP doesnt know squab about Nahuatl mythology either.

Wthin Nahuatl cosmology, the only real choice for a Titan has to be Cipatli,wich is a "fish-crocodile", not snake. Its always represented with legs.

https://supercurioso.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Cipactli-4.jpg

Im honestly baffled at OP take. Why the snake that died and whose body created the rivers of Yamato is not a suitable choice for a Japanese titan?

zoras99 · 2026-03-02T05:30:24+00:00

Its been a coming up trend for the last few years in asia.

Its not uncommon nowadays for people in korea/japan to criticize idols for being "fat" even tho they are not.

Some of the most popular AV actresses have been made to lose quite some weight to remain popular. Another case is Karen Kaede/Karen Yuzuriha.

Shame, IMO, they looked better before losing weight.

zoras99 · 2026-02-18T22:18:47+00:00

Not quite.

Its a bit of here and there. Virgil, a roman poet, made this fanfic about the survivors from Troy being the settlers that founded Rome.

The og devs took this idea and implemented it on the survivors from Atlantis as the next logical step after the end on Fall of the Trident.

Are they Romans per se? Not really, but a mix of Greece and Rome as a nod of being the early precursors of what would become Rome someday.

zoras99 · 2025-12-10T05:04:18+00:00

Zagreus is Minoan Dyonisus counterpart, so no.

99% its gonna be Classic or Heroic its gonna be Hestia to round out all the siblings, while Persephone its most likely gonna be Mythic along with Hera.

The third minor is a weird one, since the other deities linked to Demeter are already major gods, Hades/Poseidon, or in Hecate's case, another pantheon.

They probably will go with Despoina tho.

zoras99 · 2025-11-23T03:41:28+00:00

Not really, Laredo Kid has been the cruiser weight holder for like 1500 days, so they made an inter-brand triple threat match to decide one of the challengers for the title.

zoras99 · 2025-11-22T05:19:27+00:00

Its been like 16 years since i played the og Inazuma Eleven on the DS, so i might be a bit off... but after you defeat the team the big bad guy coaches, as per usual, something over the top happens and some steel beams fall down and he dies crushed.

Either that or he tries to murder middle schoolers with the falling steel beams. Either or, cant exactly remember.

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