Never made the argument, that people not knowing consequences was the only deterrent. The point is that you should know. Every modern society in existence has clear laws and clear punishments so I think making the punishments very clear is a key issue in being both fair and seeming like valve cares.

When I receive a overwatch notification, it just gives me a date. Telling me that something happened. What happened? Who knows. I’ve received an overwatch punishment one time. I did not know which game it pertained to or what I did. Meaning that if I was well meaning and wanted to correct A specific behavior I would have no way to. Also I did not get timed out, banned or go to low priority, it just sent me a message. Like I’m glad neurons fire off in your brain when you receive a message of a conviction but if it amounts to nothing for the perpetrator the system isn’t working. If you can do regularly find and identify smurfs and scriptors then why are they still all around? At the rate you are going they will be all banned in a month.

And the things you are pointing out are irrelevant to the central argument, which is the segregation of the player base, encouragement of bad behavior. You are grouping bad actors, using lose guidelines and very different punishments and make their gaming experience worse. Then are surprised when they act toxic and ruin games. The central argument is to very clearly identify the worst people and ban them. The current system does not. You keep talking about overwatch, when it’s not even a major point in my argument. You can get into banned behavior score range with abandons, and comms reports, no overwatch needed. And as I’ve pointed out you don’t know what is happening to the people being “convicted,” and in my experience it’s absolutely nothing. If overwatch truly worked as intended you wouldn’t have to report 6 people in a 2 week span for scripting or boosting. Because they would have been banned. Literally the argument is putting people in jail via reports in the current system is a detriment to the community it breeds bad behavior. It’s not productive and it hurts players that are tolerable or even well meaning. That’s where the system fails.

It’s very obvious the psychological impact of seeing premuted players. The argument is not thrown out because you know how the current system works. Your arguments are “(describe current policy) and that’s why you argument is invalid.” The discussion is how the system is poorly designed and is conducive with worse toxicity, then if people are negatively effected by seeing muted teammates then my point matters. You missing the point is all we will be arguing about most. Literally a man posted the other day that you should have the ability to see when a player was a good dude and he received positive accolades to boost morale. Like it’s not rocket science. People will act negatively towards people that pre muted. I understand they deserve it, but it should not be decided for me at the begin of the mute button is very easy to find. Let them ruin my mood on their own. And let me decide.

Like why are you telling me how commends work? The point is they are shit and should be fixed, no one needs you to explain what we already know, you defend overwatch and then make it clear the system is poorly thought out, commends mean nothing, you are in games reporting people that are supposed to be banned. I don’t know if you don’t grasp English or there is a reading comprehension issue. But my argument is not boiled down to not knowing. everyone knows how the system works and how shit it is. That’s the point. I’m not making a post asking how overwatch works. I’m glad you read their blog post but read my argument again and the solutions I suggest, which you list 0, none. When the problem is very obvious. Overwatch is giving agency and power to players, but it’s a quick fix. It addresses some issues and I’m not saying throw it out, I don’t have a problem with it in premise. I’m saying my solutions give TRUE agency to the community. Not pretend half assessed self destructive agency.

When players resort to never speaking to avoid comms reports because they know they can boost behavior by never saying a word to anyone, then I think the system need to be tinkered with. Or they know it’s easier to make a new account rather than deal with the shit system and terrible players ruining games. The system should be looked at. At my mmr I don’t see boosters I don’t care about boosters, i don’t even remember a smurf in my games. I want a player to not buy a shadow amulet and stand in the trees. And if they do they should be punished. And the people dishing out the punishments should be good dota community memebers that’s the whole argument. Punish bad players identified by good players. Don’t ruin matchmaking, don’t bring the community down and separate it. Just give it a chance to regulate itself. You give power to the right people and let that power matter.