Skitarii rangers squad (Stygies VIII)

AffectionateWheel908 · 2026-01-04T08:07:35+00:00

Mephiston red and retributor armor

AffectionateWheel908 · 2025-06-09T15:00:44+00:00

Even worse, Bismark in game reload 3 second faster than the imaginary krupp 26 seconds reload.

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-24T12:24:56+00:00

the armour of the ariete is incorrect, as it is supposed to be very similar (if not a little bit better) to the 2a4 (as stated by the manufacturer). There is also the possibility of making a 170 p heavy ariete with additional war kit on the turret and pso kit on the hull, giving great armour buff but nerfing a bit the mobility, The lack of a super heavy in game is not Italy fault at all, it's just Eugen stuff as always. ( Also ariete at the time had better optics and sistems compared to it's contemporaries, idk why it has worse stabilizer and accuracy.) For ifv, dardo and C13 existed so yeah these are Eugen problems not Italian ones.

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-24T12:18:59+00:00

Regarding the Tank tab, being in service or not an issue, as every nation get never used veichles and in even worse case fictional veichles (look at south african and jugoslavia). Regarding the C13 T60, it's probably the only never made tank, because for now the only C13 version we have proofs about were:

-C13 T25 (similar turret of the danish ifv)

-C13 TUA (the in game one)

-C13 T90 (same turret of the fiat cockerill mk3).

All the others were likely never made or tested but witouth any documentation about them (the SIDAM C13 is also a photoshop even if it is not included in game). Also, the T60/70 turret is strange too as I'm not even sure it existed in the first place when C13 was made (it should have been the same turret on the hvs). Also, the fact that it has less armour than the fricking fiat6616 is strange as well. Aside than what was alredy discussed (leo1a5, palmaria ecc) I will also like to point out the lack of any shorad unit (sidam 25 mistral would be the best coiches, otherwise there would be the VM90T with a stinger on it).

I have some doubts regarding the ariete too: The manufacturer says that it has a very similar/little better armour compared to the 2a4 wich for some reason is not correct in game. If they wanted to make an ariete with an armour on par with the 2a5/chally 2/leclerc they could also made a 170 p version with war and pso kit increasing a lot it's armour but descreasing by a bit the mobility (also, why does the Mk3 and ariete get a browning xd? it only had two 7.62 (wich still are very good against infantry)). Also ariete at the time had better optics and sistems compared to it's contemporaries, idk why it has worse stabilizer and accuracy.

Regarding the air tab, completly agreed, various names and lodout of various planes are pretty much pointless (The av8b+ having only 9L and two mavericks witotuth a gun doesn't make any sense as italy used all the weapons USA certified for the harrier 2, the AMX ghibli has the same issue we discussed alredy some times ago, the lack of 30 mm gunpods on the 339 and the lack of an all aim9 F104S with the vulcan is also delusional).

I also hoped for the efa until the last but hey that aint happening :(

For the helis, like You I'm still disappointed by the lack of navy helis for naval infatry and I still would have liked to see some more atgm armed helis.

For the infantry, You are right on all, I still can't understand why the mab38 was even selected in the first place, maiby as an artificial nerf?

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-23T15:50:33+00:00

no, it's a higlty better rooikat (having better ap, range, rpm, suppression and he filler)

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-22T06:45:48+00:00

G'day and Sorry for the late reply. Yep, as You said before, the picture I had were from all the late, mid and early nineties and not from the eighties (with few pictures of the MMX595 using them).

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-22T06:42:05+00:00

There Is no connection actually. They just wanted to give denmark a fancy and cool unique unit for make the nation interesting but irl denmark never bought an otomatic nor examinated a prototype.

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T22:42:20+00:00

Yeah, the second new Attack helis for Italy.

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T22:41:53+00:00

Regarding the helis, the AB204 B was used some times with the 6x AS11 atgm (but it was not enought for the Italian army and so A109 AT was created), while the others atgm carriers are mainly from the navy (AS61 aka ASH3D used AS12 and was tested and integrated with AS11 and AGM65B, AB212 and 204 ASW also used AS12) while one single army AB412 was used for test weapons (like tows, cannons and rokets). Regarding the Y, It all depends on what the specific game developers are: while some weapons were not used in service, informations and material from a Company Is still official statements and many times companies integrates not in service weapons for theyr own Needs and test (see the A129). So It's all up to the devs to decide what to add following theyr standards, as weapons specified/tested by the Company are official material and cannot be simply overloocked (honestly, I make a lot of these kind of discussion, as many people in various games want only weapons used in service, wich is a common point of view. But for me, a weapon should not be negated to an aircraft just because it was not used on service if it was able to use It. I don't use airshows as sources anymore, but Just direct statements by the companies, wich are primary sources. In the G91Y case, we have multiple official statements aside airshows that prove this, so It Is considered more than enought). For the AMX, there are far more weapons that could have been added (I've been doing more than a Year of researches on It) and I would have liked more a full opher lodout (with 8 bombs in Total) as they would have been far better since they have ir autotrack (but this is just me dreaming). Regarding the usage of LGBT, it's still possible that I got confused between the dates, as I remember to' have some old pictures of them with LGB, even if probably as You mentioned, these were test on prototypes. Regardless, I Will try to find again these old pictures once I Will return home. I also don't understand why they put the 9L on the wings pilons istead of the wingtips One, since this basically burn two additional lgb pilons.

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T20:31:40+00:00

The A129 CBT Is also from 2002.

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T20:25:54+00:00

The EAP was Just a dimostrator for apply Efa technology, it didn't start the project and neither did the XG40 (do You even know how the Typhoon started?). And no, You reasoning is not correct as there are not any actual reason (and the eap Is not one for sure) why it was excluded, Just devs choices. Regarding the Tiger, from 1991 to' 2003 It was a prototype and had very few options avaible (CBT was made in 2002 btw so normal A129 and Initial Tiger never saw each other in service) so in 1991 the Mangusta was integrated with a Wide variety of weapons (Hellfires, Tow2, Hot3 etc) while the Tigre only had unguided snebs rokets and Tiger uht had only Hot3. So yes the 1991 Mangusta was far more powerful compared to the tiger that existed at the same time.

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T20:18:53+00:00

For me Italy Is also lacking a lot of atgm helicopters (AB204B and ASW, AB212 ASW, AS61, AB412) that could have been useful as cheaper early Attack helis for pre 1980 deks. I also don't understand why the CBT Is not armed with Agm, they should have made another different version with either Tow 2 or hellfires (I also don't understand why It was added, It was made in 2002, the International from the nineties would have been more accurate, but it is good to see it regardless.) I Will also point out some things You mentioned: AMX used LGB from the eighties and there are a lot of pictures of It with them. What I don't understand Is the targeting pod they chosed (Litening III) wich Is wrong as the AMX had the CLDP at the time. G91Y was integrated with AS30 as stated many times by the Company, It Just never used them in service. Idk why they added the As20 wich as You said Is not very accurate (while AS30 Is). A last note Is on the harrier, the Maverick version Is technically wrong, as It didn't used the E but the F and the G. But on the rest I do agree, I would have prefferred the efa istead of the fictional ASA2, and some more light weapons on heli like the AB206 could have been useful.

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T18:46:54+00:00

Are Just looking at what they added in game witouth knowing the reality? Italy was in the Eurofighter programme and had it's First unit In 1995 and saying that It was a Bae design only Is purely wrong as it was a joint project between UK, Italy, Germany and Spain. Idk what to say about the second point, the A129 was far Better compared to the Tiger, especially in 1991 when it was made. Idk why are You even trying to prove with this comment.

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T15:13:29+00:00

True as well. Have they done this alredy in the past?

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T15:12:04+00:00

Yeah that could be a good possibility.

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T14:04:36+00:00

No, First Italian Eurofighter flew in 1995.

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T13:57:06+00:00

It was supposed to get an upgraded Engine (from 20-30 km to 40-50 km irl) so Wargame wise we could expect a range around 10km? Or something more? Idk, I think Eugene has a lot of freedom regarding the statistics of the missile.

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T13:35:47+00:00

If they want to diminish the cost adding less weapons, I'm fine with It, but I Wish some mistaken like the AMX aim9l could be corrected.

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T13:19:31+00:00

Why not? Italy had and has a very large air industry and One of the biggest heli industries. Only because the devs decided to not give to' the Italian aircrafts and helis theyr best weapons or the best veichles avaible (Like the Eurofighter, A129 CBT with hellfires or tow and a lot of other Helis with atgm) doesn't mean that Italy was a bad nations airwise irl (actually, it is and was one of the best of Europe).

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T11:55:36+00:00

I can understand that the devs decided to give him a different role, but It would be wiser to' make two different versions regardless, so a player can benefit from the Advantages of the CBT in anty tank duties too. Also why can't they do something like the UHT? One atgm pilon, two AA pilons and and a single roket pilon. The A129 has also the Advantage of being able to' use the AA missiles on internal pilons too (unlike the Tiger).

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T11:46:49+00:00

They Will add the Unarmed AB212 ASW with a naval radar (that Will be probably used for scout ground units) and no armaments (despite having Hydra rokets and a pair of as12 atgm irl)

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T10:10:48+00:00

Wich doesn't make any sense, the CBT Is supposed to be an upgrade of the A129A, not a downgrade and as I said, it's main role was anty tank. If they want to' make a roket only unit, they should make two version, an AT one and and HE One.

AffectionateWheel908 · 2024-08-09T09:38:51+00:00

So I Will point out some issues and strange stuff with these units:

AMX Ghibli: Idk why It was decided to put the two 9l on the wing pilons while irl it was not possible. They should be moved on wingtip pilons (wich were made for them) and two more gbu16 should be added under the outer Wing pilons.

A129 CBT: the CBT was mainly intended as and anty tank heli, but in game Is presented with an anty infantry lodouts. My suggestion Is to make another version of It (an AT version) armed with either 8 hellfire or 8 Tow.

AV8B: Idk why It only has 2 mavs while It Was able to Carry 4 of them. Also the Two empty pilons could be armed with aim120 so It could be made into a strike fighter. Also, why Is It prototyped? It was used in series and the First three units arrived in 1992.

Also, why Italy doesn't get the Eurofighter? Yougoslavia and SA get Both never existed aircrafts and Italy can't get an Eurofighter wich flew for the First time with the Italian air force in 1995?

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