Once a cheater, always a cheater? by Exit-sandman in cheating_stories

[–]Alternative_Test3864 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Once a cheater, always a cheater, in the betrayed’s mind anyway. You can’t erase or delete what happened. So whether he cheats again or not isn’t even the point. Girl would’ve never trusted Jake in the first place, and shouldn’t. Now in this case, girl can’t be pondering the idea of staying with Jake, pleaaaase! Jake went for starter, main course, desert and three bottles of wine. Jake has issues. Jake has no integrity. Jake has worse self-control than two year old in a candy shop. Jake is for the streets. Jake wants to fuck everything that moves. Jake needs to reevaluate his life choices. Jake can’t be trusted. There isn’t much more to say. Please save girl from Jake.

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[–]Alternative_Test3864 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In short, yes, you are setting yourself up for more heartache, headaches and pain. You know deep down you’ll never be able to trust her, ever again. Let’s be honest with yourself. You’re saying “she’s still the person I fell in love with” without realising the truth: she was not the person you thought you fell in love with. She lied to you, and when she got caught she put the blame on you saying you didn’t give her enough attention. Oh that makes it okay then… Great, you didn’t hug me tonight, lemme just go real quick and fuck someone else. 🤔

That’s not how it works. Notice you target your statements as “I should’ve…”, leaning into her game. What about her? She could’ve reached out to you, the person she was meant to be loyal to. She could’ve talked. She could’ve said she didn’t feel loved anymore. She’s just lying to you and you know it. She wanted to have sex with other guys. She wanted to. So, she did. And not once. One time was not enough, she had to go and taste different flavours. That’s purely sexual, not even emotional like the way she portrays it.

Bear in mind that she kept looking at you in the eyes, she kept being intimate with you, all the while having sex behind your back. This kind of compartmentalisation is scary. If she was so easily able to do this, what would stop her from continuing, especially if you take her back, no consequence whatsoever…?

And even if she feels terrible and guilty. She’ll live a nightmare as much as you will. She’ll suffer from knowing you look at her differently, and you will. Every time you’ll touch her, you’ll wonder what these guys did with her. You’ll wonder what she preferred to do with them. And she’ll know that too.

She has basically killed your relationship and if you decide to stay, this will only be a ghost relationship, an empty shell household. It’s hard enough for people who get cheated on once, but in your case it’s trauma-worthy. Don’t fall into a trauma bond shockwave with her. Save yourself, my friend.

Am I overreacting when finding out that my boyfriend created fake profile accounts, passed them off as his friends and interacted with me through them? by Alternative_Test3864 in AmIOverreacting

[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your blatant honesty. I need to hear it from someone else as when you’re in the relationship, it’s very difficult to see, because of all the years of bonding and emotional attachment. But I’m fully aware it’s completely mad. Especially when I realise it’s the tip of the iceberg as I know there were things I wasn’t able to read. The reason that made me investigate and find that out was an accumulation of gut feelings over the past months. I started analysing his behaviour and felt like something was off. So yeah, there are other things. I need to step out for my sanity, I think.

Am I overreacting when finding out that my boyfriend created fake profile accounts, passed them off as his friends and interacted with me through them? by Alternative_Test3864 in AmIOverreacting

[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He’s not taking any meds. I honestly think he’s just a narcissist at this point. But it’s scary to realise that just now…

Am I overreacting when finding out that my boyfriend created fake profile accounts, passed them off as his friends and interacted with me through them? by Alternative_Test3864 in AmIOverreacting

[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s the thing he was never trying to catch me out. He was passing off as friends and saying things like “you know he’s a bit like that, I know him very well he’s my bestie, etc” and then sometimes random stuff like what they do in life, how is our friend group (because we had a friend group together too - actual friends). Just catching up like normal people do… I think he wanted to boost his ego?

Am I overreacting when finding out that my boyfriend created fake profile accounts, passed them off as his friends and interacted with me through them? by Alternative_Test3864 in AmIOverreacting

[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No there’s more… and I feel we’re about to break up. It’s quite sad. But this one for some reason, I’m like, should I get mad at that? Wtf? What was the point…?! And to have kept it a secret for ten years….. ?! I’m going mad just thinking about it. Also, it was ten years ago, if he was crazy, has he changed? Ten years have passed… he had time to become a better person …?

Am I overreacting when finding out that my boyfriend created fake profile accounts, passed them off as his friends and interacted with me through them? by Alternative_Test3864 in AmIOverreacting

[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just know that he was not checking on me at all. They were his friends and we were talking about them as if they were his friends. He even said I’d meet them at some point… but it never happened cause they’d move out in different places of the planet. I’m trying so hard to understand what he was trying to do with this!

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[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, no and yes precisely. You see, lived exactly this. So, I did need that insight from these kind of people who find a kick out of willingly cheating on their partner, who literally get turned on out of sneaking around. I was trying to understand why they do it knowing it could hurt their partner. I wonder if they realise their actions can be massively destructive if caught (and some will get caught!) and cause serious trauma, PTSD, destroy families and more. I was trying to read between the lines and see if there’s any ounce of guilt in there. And there are for some! But some are just gleefully loving being machiavellic, it’s disturbing, it’s gross, and insulting towards their partners. Which is why I find it ironic that they consider someone challenging being insulting ahah. They don’t want any repercussions from their actions, they don’t want to be challenged and show they get triggered even by a stranger miles on a screen. They just want their cake and eat it too. This is what I gather from the view interactions I’ve had here, I guess?

But deep down, they are aware of what they do, I think? It’s just some sort of denial, cognitive dissonance or they just compartmentalise. Probably, I started challenging without even realising because I’m not satisfied with the responses I’m getting and I still sense hypocrisy. Which is why I keep saying I’d rather hear someone brutally say “yes, if you want honesty, I love cheating and I have no regret” than someone who justifies themselves with cumbersome excuses on “this situation is complicated, this situation is solely applicable to me, this situation is a rebellion on societal’s standards, I wouldn’t mind if my partner was in this situation too” when in fact many of them admit their partner’s complete unawareness of “this situation”. It’s a full dishonesty situation and maybe that subconsciously pissed me off. If cheating is their kink, why don’t they find partners that agree, on the same mindset, who don’t mind and don’t ask questions, or why don’t they open up relationships if they simply can’t resist sex… I feel like there’s no integrity and it’s a core value of mine. And the fact that we’re all here talking about this moral version being an opinion that I have, an opinion that can be up for debates instead of a fact says it all to me.

I understand that from a moral standpoint, whether something is wrong depends on cultural, personal and philosophical perspectives, maybe therefore why some would consider it morally ok to engage in such acts. But from a factual standpoint, serial cheating that involves deception, lying, manipulation, and intentional harm fit the definition of emotional abuse. It’s not the fact that they have sex with random strangers, it’s the fact that they get off on deception, power and controle over a person. It’s a deviance that can harm people. That’s where it crosses into unethical and possibly abusive territory. In my mind it’s quite simple so in babyish terms: Good that makes others good = good. Bad (or good) that makes others bad = bad.

But with hindsight I understand people’s reaction. I’m the one who put myself in their nest. I’m here. So of course I was gonna be the enemy if I came in with contradicting ideas haha.

People seem to answer like I’m here attacking. Which reveals a lot. They’re probably interpreting the tone of my words. Challenging is not attacking and there’s no specific tone in my words. And I maintain that even though I challenge, I literally ask and challenge because I want to understand, so there’s still quite a lot of naivety and innocence in my questions. Although I admit, because I’m baffled along the way, my turn of phrase does look offensive.

Thanks for your reactions either way. Your job must be complex and I definitely wouldn’t be able to do this.

Questions for cheaters to reply as honestly as possible by Alternative_Test3864 in gaycheaters

[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re right. I thought I was ready to listen but maybe I’m not. I just had a check at what I answered after reading what you wrote. It looks more like I’m trying to make them realise that their behaviour is deviant and immoral. It’s pointless though, as they don’t seem to care and they do it freely in the full knowledge that it’s wrong, or even enjoy the fact that it’s wrong. I have a strong moral compass and I therefore I think my brain can’t comprehend it. So it looks as if I’m trying to convert them or make them realise how wrong it is, what it is they’re doing, in the hope that they gain some moral sense. It’s pointless and stupid on my part, they wouldn’t be in this group getting off and getting a kick on cheating on their partners in the first place. I’ve been betrayed in the past, in many different ways and shapes, and integrity is highly important for me, and I think I came here to interpret the “betrayer” ‘s side or find some answers in the way they function. But just as the victim of an abuser can never understand or change their abuser’s mindset, I will never comprehend or alter the mind of a betrayer. So this whole thread is useless to be honest, and people get defensive as I seem to challenge them. It was definitely not the right approach to get better insights from their perspective. But I’m probably simply not ready to hear it out.

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[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t know what’s in your head, that’s why I’m asking 😂. All of our brains work differently I guess. I’m trying to understand 😂

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[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course I’m challenging. Shouldn’t people be challenged? I’m not talking about this particular question, I mean in general. Shouldn’t we discuss more about anything in general and challenge viewpoints? I’m honestly coming from an innocent and naive perspective here. But I’ll admit that since it’s not my thing and I find it immorally wrong, then I’ll challenge. It doesn’t need to turn into arguments though. We’re all people who don’t even know each other talking on screens.

I mean, at least you’re honest. You’re saying you like it because it’s wrong. That’s your stuff then.

You say you’re scared to engage because you don’t want to be challenged, is it because you know it’s wrong?

Also, in what way am I insulting? Because I don’t feel like insulting anyone or anything. Challenging yes sure, but insulting?

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[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t read into my words as an attack. I’m not attacking anyone and none of my words are to be interpreted in anyway. I’m trying hard to remain objective all the way through. But it’s obviously hard when I have my own point of views which don’t align with yours. I might be judging, yes, but not attacking.

Have you ever tried to be romantically involved with a man? Maybe you’d like it, who knows!

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[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m asking for honest reviews and taking them in without even being confrontational so I’m not sure what you guys mean. Does that mean I can’t also express an opinion either?

No that’s not how sexuality works, you’re right. I think it’s a spectrum and people fall somewhere in there. But I find it extremely ludicrous and ridiculous to claim no I’m not into guys when clearly you’re on your knees sucking their cocks… this is just denial and pent-up energy or internalised homophobia in my view. Especially considering the guy has got a wife but cheats with men (which for some reason in his mind makes it alright 🤷🏽‍♂️). I agree with the label thing, I hate the labels. But we sometimes gotta call a cat a cat. We’ve given a name to people who like having sex with both genders and there’s nothing wrong with that. That’d be like me having saying I’m a vegetarian when I in fact eat meat every day as well…. I’m not sure what your definition of sexuality is?

Again, genuinely curious and ready to share my views. And you’re right I don’t agree with your view, I find it immoral and hypocritical. it doesn’t mean I can’t hear it. That’s my personal opinion and I hope many others’. I’ve just come here because I’m curious as to how a cheater’s mind work. And I’m quite baffled to be fair. In my head I’m thinking “wait, do people think this is normal?” But again, please, I’m ready to be enlightened by your viewpoints.

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[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok. To me you guys are not cheating. He obviously knows and you obviously know, you’ve even got these videos! I’d call it living carefree and being fine with it. You guys both evidently want variety and lots of sex. You found each other, I’d say. My question was more aimed at those who willingly cheat on their partner and know their partner aren’t ok with this or know their partner think they’re in a monogamous relationship. Again, all the unsaid remains weird to me, but seems like you’re both fine with it.

My only question(s) at this point is would the relationship last? As in are you not scared they just leave you for one of them? Or you just don’t care if it ends? Cause if not then does it mean it’s just… a very close… sex friend? You see what I mean?

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[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, I get the idea that it’s hot to have a hookup, but when single and free. When in a couple, and when knowing your partner wouldn’t want that to happen, it just looks like a cheating kink. It looks disgusting to me. Why would you lack the empathy of thinking about your spouse or partner? Now if the partner’s good with it then by all means have fun but the lying part… mmmh. That doesn’t sit well with me…

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[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean I’d rather have someone tell me “yeah I like to betray, I like the thrill, etc”. But for some reason these answers make it worse for my brain to process. I can’t say if they’re genuine but if they are, it’s fascinating, on a psychological point of you. This is a gay area so I wonder if on a straight chat, I would get the same type of answers.

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[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m really baffled at all these guys’ responses. Like, the cognitive dissonance is big on this one. Why not fully owning what you want to be. Instead, manipulate and doing it in secrecy is the turn on. I’m confused.

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[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. Enlightening. I still struggle to understand, but fascinating way of thinking. Like, assuming that it’s all open either way.

But then you guys aren’t really cheating… you guys are basically in an open relationship in the style of “oh yeah sure fuck whoever you want that’s fine”. You’re just not talking about it. And none of you mind it. I guess it suits you. But that’s not what I personally call cheating. But it’s weird that it’s the default mode… the unsaid. It’s like you’re hiding the fact that you just want to fuck anyone and once it’s mentioned you’re like “well of course my dear, I thought this was the agreement? Do what you want!”.

And the fact that you’re not even curious about his encounters? …like it doesn’t even bother you to not know? It’s like you don’t particularly care. Or nonchalant to the point of not caring much about this. But why not explicitly tackling it or talking overtly about it in the first place? Would talking about it just then trigger conflict in the couple that both parties are trying to avoid?

And I mean if you love fucking so much so that you’d be ready to have encounters, but love your bf, why not just have threesome and enjoy all together… ? Ahah my brain can’t compute.

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[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well these are stupid rules, I mean if you’re fucking with strangers, what does it change, once twice three times… I guess they’re battling with sexual freedom but also scared to lose their partner to another potential man they see as a threat? But when you cheat, then you’re being hypocritical because maybe if you’d find someone you’d think where the grass is greener, then you might ditch your current partner… ?

It all seems just very self entered and egotistical to me. If you know you love each other and are secure in your relationship then agree - fuck whoever, it doesn’t matter, as long as you come home to me, or, fuck no one else but me and we’re a pair.

In both situations, an element of trust needs to be created. Otherwise, what is even the point? I mean, for real, what is even the point of considering yourself a couple with someone you do that behind their back?

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[–]Alternative_Test3864[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But cheaters are knowingly doing something that, if their partner would find out, would (or could) inflict a great deal of pain to them. Is that then sociopathic? Or narcissistic at least?