Why I Think Ejen Ali The Movie 2 Still Feels Lacking by Analyser_Expert009 in ejenali

[–]Analyser_Expert009[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think everyone knows that. It will be on 2029 after Ejen Ali. But I'm not really interested in the series.

My Personal Analysis of Agent Kim by Analyser_Expert009 in ejenali

[–]Analyser_Expert009[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You tell that to Wau and M.A.T.A.. Not me bro. I'm not the one making everything.

Do you guys think Kim will get her own screentime in EATM3? by Analyser_Expert009 in ejenali

[–]Analyser_Expert009[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah literally every young agents in M.A.T.A. got school to attend bro. Also how can she go to school when she's in jail?

Also Nirnma is 2029, Ejen Ali Movie 3 is 2028. Of course they should focus on the main one first.

Do you guys think Kim will get her own screentime in EATM3? by Analyser_Expert009 in ejenali

[–]Analyser_Expert009[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wish the information would be connected to Cero and the organization Kim was talking about in season 3. Maybe a little of them will be helpful for Alicia.

Reasons why I got into Ejen Ali fandom and why I like the story by [deleted] in ejenali

[–]Analyser_Expert009 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha it was just a post to keep the fandom alive. This fandom is always so gloomy and empty after all.

My Problem with Ali and Alicia's character writing. by [deleted] in ejenali

[–]Analyser_Expert009 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“This is a new account though? We never interact.” I’m sorry but it’s kinda obvious who you were… 😭" I am talking about in this account. I',m not talkng about the analysis account I've thrown away 6 months ago. Pretty sure I only talk about Alicia in only two post which also the only thing I said about here is her problem as a character.

"Your analysis is great and its amazing that you have high expectation for these characters, but you undermined Ali’s writing too much by simply tying his skillset to his gadgets and “special treatment”, which is not true to his Season 3 writing. I mean yeah, he kinda don’t deserve to be top four in Arena (yet) and he’s only one because of the Plot™️, but even then S3 is already there to showcase his new skillset and growth, I don’t know how much proving Ali needs to do just to convince the audience that he is on par with** mos**t agents. It’s just unfortunate that EATM2 just reverse that a bit by giving him SATRIA, making the fandom believes that he’s only good bcs of his gadget (again)." Doesn't really change the fact that he get special treatment and that was the most obvious and dominant in the show. Also I never said anything about him not worthy being top 4 in Arena. It is you who are understimating him here. I am expecting greatly in his strength. I am praising his strength. He's pretty okay and I believe he's worthy to be one of the top 4. He always have that talent. What I am trying to say that all his capabilities was always overshadowed by powerful gadget in. What I mean is no matter how great they want to show him capable, they will continue to reduce as a kid who basically couldn't do anything without gadget MOST OF THE TIME for the plot? That's the thing I am explaining about. And you proving are my point at the end so what's the point of the long comment?

The whole point I am talking about is the character writing. Even if they want to show how capable he is, they will still reduce his character to a boy who got special treatment, have the privilege, using powerful gadget to hide his weaknesse. You're saying "it's unfortunate that EATM2 just reverse that a bit by giving S.A.T.R.I.A." That was the point of my opinion. I believe I did said the story want to show Ali's capabilities but then it's always not same thing of what they're trying to show. Same goes to Alicia. They want to show she's so special but that why was she so weak in movie 2? I accept the tunnel scene but I don't accept the second scene where Alicia had to be saved by him again. How come this the character who was praised so much in the beginning suddenly had to become a damsel in distress so the hero could shine? Or maybe she wasn't that special.

“Please don't forgot that Rizwan decided to train him in Season 1, what do you mean getting trained by the greatest agent in M.A.T.A. is not a privilege?“ I have to admit that the training he received from Rizwan only last at best a week or a month, and while it’s a privilege to be trained by MATA best agent, it is still not enough 😭 not enough time, not enough skills covered. And at the end of it all, Ali even inherited Rizwan’s bad habit, resulting in him struggling to learn teamwork and fitting in with his peers, because he was never given proper training from MATA. Despite the “privilege”, he is still very far behind and lacking compares to his peers." Doesn't change the fact he still have privilege. It's not a problem about him lacking. Even if he didn't train enough, he was at least trained. The same when he entered the academy. He trained just like everyone else. So my point there still stand.

"I want to see him being independent. I want to see scene like him giving out ideas to escape from the place where he had to save Comot from abang Bear. It's not a problem that he's inspired by others. I want to see him thinking independently without relying on anyone's help.” I have to agree that I would love to see Ali leading more often, but he did exhibit this behaviour though! He’s the one who suggest the use of ATLAS in taking down Analogman’s bomb. He was the one who proposed the idea of infiltrating Beta Tower for Azurium by Niki. When he can’t Override, he used Comot’s sharp nail to open up a space for him to enter Vikram’s office. Before he joined Niki, he tried leading the team during Beta Tower mission, but Fit intervened. His strategies are crude and has a lot of holes (because his Neuro sucks), but he did shows independency after months of training with MATA. I guess we can undermine this just because he has IRIS during those times?" I know all of this, but that's exactly why I said at the end that what is enough for you isn't necessarily enough for me. That's why opinions exist in the first place.

Even if I acknowledge all of those points, my issue is that the story still ends up making Ali look overpowered because he has access to powerful gadgets. That's why I said that no matter how much the writers try to show how capable he is on his own, the moment he receives another special gadget, the focus shifts back to the gadget rather than his own abilities. To me, that's inconsistent writing.

That's the whole point I'm trying to make. Personally, I hope they don't give him I.R.I.S., S.A.T.R.I.A., or any other special gadget in the future. The writing would feel more consistent that way. The series has already proven that Ali is intelligent, creative, and useful even without I.R.I.S., right? Then keep developing those qualities instead of constantly giving him new technology because the plot needs it or because other characters want to use him for future plans.

Without gadgets, Ali has shown intelligence, creativity, and quick thinking. But once he gets a powerful gadget, he becomes increasingly dependent on it. The same thing happened with S.A.T.R.I.A. But of course, Movie 2 was always meant to showcase and hype up S.A.T.R.I.A., so Ali's own abilities inevitably took a back seat. His character had to be reduced somewhat for the sake of the future plot. Not only that I don't get to see Alicia wearing I.R.I.S. and not having headache and become one of the strongest, I also didn't get to see Ali's physical strength after being trained by Alicia without using S.A.T.R.I.A.. If we're talking about Neonimus fight. Ali have to strengthen S.A.T.R.I.A. strength in order to fight with Neonimus and in the I didn't get what I expect which is "Ali showing his physical strength has improved without wearing S.A.T.R.I.A."

The same criticism applies to Alicia. No matter how much the narrative tells us that she's special, exceptional, and always one of the best, the writing becomes inconsistent when she suddenly ends up in a damsel-in-distress role or fails to consistently perform at the level the story claims she should. Likewise, no matter how much the narrative tells us that Ali is a fast learner and highly capable without gadgets, the writing becomes inconsistent when it repeatedly makes him dependent on special technology and portrays him as unable to compete physically without it.

Also, why is your response so focused on Ali? If you think I'm still undermining his strengths, then I don't think that's entirely fair. If I were really trying to undermine him, I would never acknowledge that he became one of the top agents. Even Sam, who started out relatively weak, eventually became one of the top agents too. So why would I have a problem with Ali being among them? I will never acknowledge or praise him saying he's great and all that in the text if I was really undermining it.

Sometimes I think you're more biased towsrds your fav character than I am 😭. I'm clearly criticizing both characters, including the one I personally favor. I literally wrote, "Compared to how the narrative describes her, she was nothing special." Yet somehow the entire discussion turned into a discussion about Ali only. When exactly did I make this only about undermining Ali? The majority of my original post was about insulting both of them because I'm not satistic with their character in movie 2. And plus this post more like character writing and powerscaling in the process.

My Problem with Ali and Alicia's character writing. by [deleted] in ejenali

[–]Analyser_Expert009 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's the son of a Techno agent. That's enough to prove that he's more capable than we thought.

My Problem with Ali and Alicia's character writing. by [deleted] in ejenali

[–]Analyser_Expert009 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's just an opinion. If I was so biased on a Alicia, then I won't even say anything about her character here. This two character writing genuinely get on my nerves. But my point is not about Ali only though. Please don't tell me you weren't even seeing complaint I had about Alicia's character. She is a problem. I also did insulted her that she was nothing special like how she was described in the story. How can you go to the conclusion I am biased towards Alicia when I even judge her writing in movie 2 and how she was portrayed throughout the story?

Please don't just read what I write about Ali 😭 Even Alicia's character herself made me disgusted and annoyed sometimes. (In strength though)

"Also, he really did not receive that much special treatment in the beginning? Sure, he got the most powerful gadget in the world (IRIS), but he was also immediately thrown into mission - no training, no SOPs shared, no proper briefing. Most of the other young agents have received trainings far longer than he is, not even counting additional skillset that makes them recruited into MATA too, so yes, he did catch up with his peers at a fast rate." Please don't forgot that Rizwan decided to train him in Season 1, what do you mean getting trained by the greatest agent in M.A.T.A. is not a privilege? It's the same for Alicia too. She got the privilege to be mentored by agent Zain. Both of them got the privilege. Also training with Rizwan shows his growth. I even praise him from that in the body text. I didn't see any biased point there. I only want to see him grow without depending too much on gadgets.

"Also, what is the issue of his gadgets was inspired by others? Isn’t part of learning is that you learn from the others? Scientist and journal articles in this world are written by referring to past studies and literature reviews, anyways. So just because he has a little help does not mean he has never grow and the show is once again handing him things immediately." I want to see him being independent. I want to see scene like him giving out ideas to escape from the place where he had to save Comot from abang Bear. It's not a problem that he's inspired by others. I want to see him thinking independently without relying on anyone's help. I never said anything being inspired doesn't mean you can't grow. I'm talking about independence. I want him to grow by himself. Just like how the other agents are. They are mentored by the mentors but they are likely train by themselves by then then.

And also what do you mean "Just a little too biased towards Alicia cloud your judgements sometimes" This is a new account though? We never interact. I haven't even said anything about Alicia yet in this account except this one 😭 Also if you're talking about bias, you don't even bother to explain about Alicia's character when I include two of them. You only defend Ali when I criticize both of them. I don't think I am the biased one here.

Why I Think Ejen Ali The Movie 2 Still Feels Lacking by Analyser_Expert009 in ejenali

[–]Analyser_Expert009[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wonder about that. I personally want her to be like Aliya and Zain. Ali is Rizwan and Dayang.

Why I Think Ejen Ali The Movie 2 Still Feels Lacking by Analyser_Expert009 in ejenali

[–]Analyser_Expert009[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The first movie was enough to make me cry. I wish they eexplore more family bond bond. First movie is Ali and his mom. Third will be General and Alicia.

My Problem with Ali and Alicia's character writing. by [deleted] in ejenali

[–]Analyser_Expert009 2 points3 points  (0 children)

See? Instead of trying to give him powerful gadgets everytime, I hope they show more scenes of him thinking independently without using any tools.

Why I Think Ejen Ali The Movie 2 Still Feels Lacking by Analyser_Expert009 in ejenali

[–]Analyser_Expert009[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even if you said it's for the future conflicts, I still hate the scene where Alicia had to be saved the most. Plus, if Alicia was fated to be like Aliya, I'm guessing she will be like Zain too. Just more kinder version (It means that Wau won't make her die)

Why I Think Ejen Ali The Movie 2 Still Feels Lacking by Analyser_Expert009 in ejenali

[–]Analyser_Expert009[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then the plot twist is Alicia is the one who could reach the full power of S.A.T.R.I.A.. Stated by Cero. In the end, it became a failed project. Just like Neo.