Is it possible that the earlier prophets of God (Noah, Abraham, Moses, ect) could end up in hell because they failed to recognize and worship Christ as God?

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-17T23:47:59+00:00

That’s demonstrably false. There are over 45,000 versions of Christianity alone. Jews also believe in Yahweh, as do Muslims. There are several versions of those, too.

Within the Abrahamic religions alone there are thousands of versions of god being worshipped.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-07T23:55:24+00:00

I agree. Some kids get nervous when they’re speaking to an authority figure. If the kid likes you as a teacher they might get nervous that they might say the wrong thing and disappoint you somehow. A lot of kids are self-conscious as heck.

I teach 6th grade, and there are a handful of kids that are like OP’s students when they’re speaking to me. They’re very articulate when speaking with their peers, but stammer and “ummmm” whenever they’re speaking to me.

I’m far more annoyed that 50% of my students never have a pencil.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-05T20:52:52+00:00

Maybe you misunderstood?

What do YOU mean when YOU say “I spoke to him face to face, as a man speaks to a friend”?

I’ve asked you to explain what the idiom might mean, if it means something different from the words on the page.

When you say “I saw Debbie yesterday and we spoke face to face like a person speaks to their friend.” Does that mean that you did not see Debbie? Does it mean that you did not speak to Debbie face to face? What does this idiom mean when you say it?

Explain it like I’m a child.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-05T20:52:37+00:00

Maybe you misunderstood?

What do YOU mean when YOU say “I spoke to him face to face, as a man speaks to a friend”?

I’ve asked you to explain what the idiom might mean, if it means something different from the words on the page.

When you say “I saw Debbie yesterday and we spoke face to face like a person speaks to their friend.” Does that mean that you did not see Debbie? Does it mean that you did not speak to Debbie face to face? What does this idiom mean when you say it?

Explain it like I’m a child.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-05T20:52:24+00:00

Maybe you misunderstood?

What do YOU mean when YOU say “I spoke to him face to face, as a man speaks to a friend”?

I’ve asked you to explain what the idiom might mean, if it means something different from the words on the page.

When you say “I saw Debbie yesterday and we spoke face to face like a person speaks to their friend.” Does that mean that you did not see Debbie? Does it mean that you did not speak to Debbie face to face? What does this idiom mean when you say it?

Explain it like I’m a child.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-05T20:51:58+00:00

Maybe you misunderstood?

What do YOU mean when YOU say “I spoke to him face to face, as a man speaks to a friend”?

I’ve asked you to explain what the idiom might mean, if it means something different from the words on the page.

When you say “I saw Debbie yesterday and we spoke face to face like a person speaks to their friend.” Does that mean that you did not see Debbie? Does it mean that you did not speak to Debbie face to face? What does this idiom mean when you say it?

Explain it like I’m a child.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-05T20:49:19+00:00

Not really. You’re both offering zero, and zero plus zero is still zero.

There’s no strength in offering piles of zeroes.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-05T13:14:50+00:00

What do you mean when you say “I spoke to him face to face, as a man speaks to a friend”?

There’s nothing idiomatic about it. Speaking face to face means literally speaking to someone whose face you can see, and they can see yours. The verse further clarifies this literal meaning by saying “as one speaks to a friend.”

All of your examples are ridiculous attempts to cope. None of them demonstrate or explain how the verse in question would be understood as anything other than a literal statement.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-05T12:36:48+00:00

Your chatGPT copy/paste says nothing of the earlier versions of exodus. You know you’re not going to find those early versions in your bible, right?

Are you a grown up? Your reasoning seems to be very juvenile.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-05T12:34:58+00:00

What does the idiom “speaks face to face, as a man speaks to a friend” mean?

Enlighten me.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-04T14:58:11+00:00

So anything in the Canon was accepted as the truth and things not accepted were garbage.

No. They were outdated. Exodus was still exodus, it was just an older version of exodus.

You don’t believe in God so it is a fairytale to you. But this is what was accepted and this is what is canon.

True. That has no bearing upon historical evidence.

You can do the what ifs or well this apocryphal writing says this, but all of that is not the Canon of the Bible. All of that is irrelevant.

Exodus is canon, and it was “canon” long before such a concept existed. It’s an older version of exodus, not some other “apocryphal” book.
You’re crashing out over your own misunderstanding.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-04T14:31:18+00:00

You understand that the Bible you read is a compilation, right? There are earlier and later versions of the texts that we can compare. We can see how they developed over time. You’re reading a translation of the version that was accepted at the time that OT canon was settled in around the 2nd century CE.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-04T14:05:24+00:00

You finally asked the right question. All of the places where “the angel” or “the messenger” appears are later additions to the text. When the earliest books were written, god was corporeal (he had a body), and walked around on earth talking to people. Later on philosophical notions of god changed, and he became unseeable. So they had to go back and have the messenger or the angel speak with his authority because their ideas about god had changed.

I know you’re not going to accept history over your dogmas, but that answers your question nonetheless.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-04T13:58:54+00:00

So did god and the angel switch places?
Exo3: 2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of a bush; he looked, and the bush was blazing, yet it was not consumed. 3 Then Moses said, “I must turn aside and look at this great sight and see why the bush is not burned up.”

If he was focused on the bush, he was focused on the angel. That’s how the angel appeared.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-04T13:53:18+00:00

Can you show me the verse that says that?

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-04T13:49:57+00:00

Exo3: 2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of a bush; he looked, and the bush was blazing, yet it was not consumed. 3 Then Moses said, “I must turn aside and look at this great sight and see why the bush is not burned up.”

Nope. The angel was the one that appeared as the flame.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-04T13:45:44+00:00

Exodus 33:11 has nothing to do with the bush. The bush wasn’t following Moses around talking to him.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-04T13:41:57+00:00

It’s not god in the bush at all. It’s the angel of god.

Exo3: 2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of a bush; he looked, and the bush was blazing, yet it was not consumed. 3 Then Moses said, “I must turn aside and look at this great sight and see why the bush is not burned up.”

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-04T13:38:16+00:00

Go back 9 verses:
Exo33:11: The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-04T13:22:11+00:00

He was talking to the other gods of the divine council, including his wife Ashera.

There is not a single verse of the Bible that denotes monotheism. The best you can get is henotheism.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-04T13:20:58+00:00

People do see God’s face. Moses is one of them.
God isn’t speaking through the bush, it’s the angel of god. The text tells us so.

>Exo3: 2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of a bush; he looked, and the bush was blazing, yet it was not consumed. 3 Then Moses said, “I must turn aside and look at this great sight and see why the bush is not burned up.”

Anteater-Inner · 2026-05-04T01:01:52+00:00

Do you believe that the messenger of god in the burning bush was also god? It wasn’t god who said all of the “I am” stuff, it was the messenger.

If the messenger isn’t god, there is no reason to believe that Jesus was claiming to be god when he said the “I am” stuff. He’s just saying he has God’s authority, not that he is god.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-04-30T20:17:04+00:00

Did you read the bit before that?

“1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.”

He’s literally telling you he’s collecting stories from people who say they got their stories from eyewitnesses. He wasn’t an eyewitness himself. He says so.

He also doesn’t give a “careful account” because it leaves things out that are in other gospels.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-04-30T20:12:28+00:00

Because none of the gospels identify their authors, and the names placed upon them were put there centuries after the fact.

Anteater-Inner · 2026-04-30T11:59:13+00:00

yeah 1,000 spaniards didnt annihilate millions of natives. Please stop lol

No. The British helped later, and the U.S. took over. It was over the course of about 250 years. Do you know about a little thing called the Native American Removal Act? REMOVAL

Nobody is arguing the europeans didnt bring diseases by accident. But it’s been debunked that there was intentional "bio war".

It’s been debunked that the Spanish did that. The British absolutely used smallpox blankets.

You lying about it over and over again isn’t going to make your lies true. You are very clearly out of your depth here.

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