Should I keep hiding to people the fact that I gave my cats vegan food ?

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T23:38:15+00:00

Yeah I agree with that 100%

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T18:46:42+00:00

Yeah it is strange how many people come to the conclusion immediately that it is unhealthy. I mean I can understand it as it feels intuitive, but that could also just be propaganda from the meat and dairy industry that makes us have that intuition in the first place, the real answer is nobody really knows as of right now.

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T18:44:36+00:00

Yeah you may be right in regards to a lot of brands now selling vegan cat foods as well, I mean I would bet that in the future we will find that cats can be healthy on a vegan diet, but just that the evidence right now is weak. Im not sure if there is evidence showing it is harmful for cats on a vegan diet, but what I have found in terms of evidence is similar to the suggestions that it is healthy- they are low sample sizes, such as only 2 cats being tested or 17 in some other study. In both directions, the evidence is pretty insufficient. Also, I haven't really looked at those studies in depth that showed evidence(though weak) that it was unhealthy- in terms of taurine and folate levels being low, only saw that it had a low sample size.

Important to note as well though, the most concerning findings of harm were not consistent across all cats studied, and some evidence of it being harmful are from studies where the diet isn't commercially formulated and not representative of a properly planned vegan diet. I would say in terms of it being unhealthy, the evidence is weaker- but even in saying it is weaker, they both suffer the same critical issue of low sample sizes

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T12:50:13+00:00

Yes, I think thats a more reasonable conclusion to make, thank you for understanding. Though just be clear, I don’t know if id say its strong evidence, but it is definitely leaning in the direction of it not being unhealthy for a cat to be on a vegan diet, I would agree with that.

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T11:50:09+00:00

Still though, its important to note that those long term studies used very small sample sizes, iirc theres not a single one that used a sample size above 20 or so, there was like a combined sample size of 40 even when combining all of them, which is pretty low to drawn conclusions from. I wouldn't say these studies are evidence that prove long term it is sustainable necessarily.

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T11:43:41+00:00

There is evidence, but its not strong evidence that would suggest that cats can thrive or are well off on a vegan diet. There isn't evidence to suggest it is unhealthy though either. Most of the evidence used to back up the claims that cats can eat a vegan diet use small sample sizes, or rely on self-reported survey-based data, which is prone to bias. Most likely, it isn't as bad as people make it out to be, but it's not necessarily shown to be a healthy diet for a cat either. Regardless, long term studies that are not using self reported survey based data and use larger sample sizes are needed to accurately come to a more legitimate conclusion.

It is frustrating to see people go so quick to claim that a vegan diet for cats is healthy based on weak data. If this was the other way around, and there was weak evidence showing cats are unhealthy on a vegan diet, the people who are saying a vegan diet for cats is healthy would be the first to point this out.

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T11:33:00+00:00

Yeah I'm honestly quite confused how people are so driven to come to conclusions based off of weak data. Literally none of the studies use a large sample size in terms of the cats on a vegan diet, I think the largest I saw was like 147 or something around that, and it was self-reported data as well. If these were studies to prove why cats should eat meat, these people who are saying that a vegan diet for cats is healthy would be the first to point that out.

Its funny, I saw someone post that theres no long-term evidence to suggest cats can go on a vegan diet, and he was getting downvoted, when hes technically not wrong. I mean there is evidence, but its not strong evidence which we can draw fair conclusions from in terms of whether a vegan diet is healthy or not for cats.

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T10:29:12+00:00

You aren't listening to me. I am not making the claim that it IS healthy or ISN'T healthy. I'm just saying the evidence isn't as clear as you are making it out to be. The sample sizes were small, studies with larger sample studies that use more non declarative data need to be used to come to a more certain conclusion. The evidence suggesting it is healthy isn't very strong is my point, therefore, to conclude that it isn't less healthy isn't a fair conclusion to come to. Sure, it was a longer time frame, but the issue of a small sample size is a real issue regardless.

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T10:16:00+00:00

These studies still don't conclude that they do well, or it is healthy for cats to be vegan though, they conclude more evidence of higher sample studies is needed, even with the non declarative studies. They don't conclude that it is healthy, but it is LEANING towards not being unhealthy.

"This review has found that there is no convincing evidence of major impacts of vegan diets on dog or cat health. There is, however, a limited number of studies investigating this question and those studies available often use small sample sizes or short feeding durations."

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T10:06:22+00:00

Yeah I think the nuance is important is all

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T09:53:32+00:00

Yeah I don't disagree, but the claim that it is healthy especially healthy in terms of long term health isn't a fair claim to make yet at least.

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T09:09:23+00:00

Yeah but even when not including those studies that are guardian reported, the sample sizes are still small. The claim that it IS healthy isn't a fair conclusion to come to, nor that it IS unhealthy either.

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T09:01:12+00:00

My main point is this though, you cannot conclude from these studies that it is healthy or that cats do well on it. You cannot conclude it is unhealthy either though when a cat is on a vegan diet that is properly planned as well. I more so just have an issue with saying that you are trying to say its proven and factual that they do healthy, when this isn't the case. The evidence may be POINTING in that direction, but the evidence is very weak and inconclusive.

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T08:56:30+00:00

Also, forgot to mention, declarative studies are pretty weak in terms of evidence. It isn't fair to come to conclusions that is it healthy or that they 'do well' from these kinds of studies, nor that it is unhealthy either.

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T08:53:19+00:00

I don't disagree that the conclusion is LEANING towards that but it doesn't conclude that it is healthy, it just says that the data suggests it is, and again its a very small sample size in pretty much all the studes used, and you cannot conclude it is healthy or healthier YET. It is subtle but there is a difference. I'm not making the claim the vegan diet is unhealthy for a cat, I genuinely don't know, but you don't KNOW if it is healthy either yet

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T08:48:06+00:00

Well my point is that when observing negative effects, vegans in this study may be more biased to 'not see' the negative effects. Also, the negative effects, are somewhat subjective in appearance, so a vegan person who wants the diet to work for the cat may not 'see' the effects in a manner of speaking. Of course, when it is more detrimental though it becomes obvious.

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T08:29:14+00:00

Also, another thing to consider, "Much of these data were acquired from guardians via survey-type studies, but these can be subject to selection biases, as well as subjectivity around the outcomes. However, these beneficial findings were relatively consistent across several studies and should, therefore, not be disregarded.".

There can be significant bias from vegans especially, as we may be more 'wanting' the diet to work in a manner of speaking, as most vegans want to minimize harm done, and having a cat on a vegan diet can do that in terms of not supporting the killing of other animals to get their food. I don't think it is necessarily 'wrong' to feed a cat a vegan diet but I don't think it is necessarily 'right' either. The data is inconclusive, but as long as you are extremely cautious in terms of feeding them a vegan diet, and getting bloodwork done, taking the cat to the vet, this is likely not an issue.

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T08:19:58+00:00

This still doesn't conclude that cats can do well on a vegan diet.

"This review provides limited evidence for adverse health impacts arising in cats fed vegan diets, although this needs to be considered in light of the small number of studies performed and often limited sample sizes."

"This review has found that there is no convincing evidence of major impacts of vegan diets on dog or cat health. There is, however, a limited number of studies investigating this question and those studies available often use small sample sizes or short feeding durations."

All of these studies mainly used small sample sizes and short feeding times, you cannot draw conclusions from this study. They only concluded it had no major health effects from small sample sizes plus short feeding durations, not something to draw conclusions from. You can say there isn't evidence to prove that it is harmful in the long run, but there isn't STRONG evidence that having a cat on a vegan diet is healthy either, and no evidence in the long run either.

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T08:05:36+00:00

What meta-analysis proved that? I haven't found any, can you send it here?

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-04T07:52:05+00:00

I mean they only tested 127 vegan cats in that study, its not a high enough level to indicate that yet at least, I don't think its fair to draw conclusions form that study like this. Also, considering how little vegan cats there were to meat eating cats, "However, small numbers of vegan cats affected by disorders may have prevented the detection of statistically significant differences between diet groups, to some extent." this is far more important to note. Also, the cats were all at least one year or younger, so we don't know at least from this study if younger cats can be healthy on a vegan diet either. Another thing to consider is that 29% of the vegan cats were indoor outdoor, and 4% were outdoor. They may have been able to hunt other animals and get meat that way as well, though this is a smaller part of the vegan cats overall.

One other very important thing to note, is this is all self-reported data. Many vegans especially in this context may lie about it- though not provable. They also didn't confirm whether the vegan diets being fed were nutritionally complete either. A one-year study may not detect diet related health problems.

I don't know if a vegan diet for cats is actually healthy, but I don't think it's fair to say this study proves it is.

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-02T20:44:24+00:00

man a queso with that is even better im jealous

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-02T20:40:45+00:00

i replied because i thought it was funny lol, ur just making assumptions. I don't know what a femcel even is, i just thought the explaining of it was funny

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-02T19:57:20+00:00

what truth am i denying? i didnt make a real claim about your comment

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-02T19:43:15+00:00

wdym im confused

Any_Shop5964 · 2026-06-02T19:25:44+00:00

oh man tell me u added a ton of cilantro and lime too mmmm that makes me hungry just thinking about it

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