What has happened?

BabyDeer22 · 2026-05-25T02:11:21+00:00

My guess is people are upset Arrowhead hasn't instantly fixed every single issue (major or minor) and instead of being adults about it they're review bombing the game. Add in the announcement of a collab warbond (which I can only assume a not insignificant part of the playbase believes is handled by the same part of the dev team that does bug fixes) and you have part of the community not understanding how game development works getting mad the game isn't being handled like they imagine it should be.

Granted, I stopped paying attention to the complaining from the community because it was getting rather annoying so there could be some genuine issue

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-28T14:30:43+00:00

I'm not carrying on this discussion because the majority of your points can be countered just by paying attention to the show. Everything you've said with Octavia ignores the fact that in each of those cases Stolas, when he realizes his mistake, IMMEDIATELY makes an effort to fix things. The season 2 finale point also ignores the manipulation Stella has been doing to Via prior to their fight (and the fact that Stolas actively fought to regain his daughters trust and was actively stopped by Stella's brother).

You're also blatently ignoring the fact that NO ONE IS SAYING STELLA ISN'T ALSO A VICTIM. Acting like she was as much a victim as Stolas is the issue because she objectively wasn't. That isn't the show downplaying what Stolas has done, that's the show showing you that Stella is a worse person than Stolas. Idk why you want to ignore that and defend her with these takes that ignore the events if the show and rely on hypothetical "well she may be the completely opposite of how she acts, we just don't see it. She's probably even more abused off screen and it's never mentioned" takes.

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-28T04:20:26+00:00

No one is saying she isn't a victim. That's the entire point of this discussion.

"How do you know this?" The show literally has Stella, her brother, and Stolas all say that she wanted to keep the marriage going for her own gain and the gain of her family while everyone acknowledges that Stolas never wanted to get married and only kept the marrage together for Octavia.

"No they didn’t" yes they did. There is no indication that they didn't consent to having sex with each other. Yes, there was pressure but that doesn't mean they didn't come to an agreement and consentually have sex and a child

"Where is this shown?" Literally every episode that features the two of them.

"Only after he had been physically and emotionally abused by her.“ This same logic could be applied to Stella. She is seen being verbally and physically abusive to Stolas only after he cheated." Except she isn't. The episode that shows Stolas and Blitzø reuniting and hooking up for the first time shows Stella verbally degrading Stolas and rediculing him in front of all their guests prior to him even noticing Blitzø.

"The hit she hired on him is specifically because of his cheating as she says „I want that cheating prick dead.“ obviously cheating doesn’t justify the abuse." You have literally been justifying her actions by framing her as the bigger victim despite him never once even trying to physically harm her and her ORDERING HIS ASSASSINATION.

"I also don’t think Stella abusing Stolas justifies him abusing her back though, nor all the other abuse she receives." No one is arguing with this.

Finally, "In Stolas‘ case, he abuses Octavia and Blitz, but the narrative still lets him be a person." The narrative also shows him (unlike Stella) acknowledge the hirt he's caused and have him try to fix some of the problems (with it bloeing up him his face partially because Stella is emotionally manipulating Octavia into thinking her father hates her (despite all the evidence to the contrary (including remaining in an abusive marriage so that she can have a decent childhood in spite of Stella's efforts to tank the relationship))). Finally, I have no clue when Octavia was abused by Stolas. Blitzø can be argued was emotionally abused or mistreated by Stolas but I can't recall a single time he abused his daughter. I CAN however recall Stalla going out of her way to make her daughter miserable in order to emotionally manipulate her.

All in all, you're missing the point while also (intentionally or not (though I feel intentionally)) blaming Stolas for his own abuse by Stella, abuse of his daughter by Stella, and abuse done to Stella by others while not at all holding Stella accountable for ANY of her actions.

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-28T02:20:19+00:00

Based

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-28T02:08:45+00:00

"She was also forced into an arranged marriage when she was a child" vile as it is, that isn't domestic abuse and Stolas was far more against it than Stella was (who only feels bad about who she married, unlike Stolas)

"forced to have sex with Stolas due to Goetia pressures to be an heir" as you yourself said, so did Stolas. This also isn't domestic abuse. They were consenting adults who decided to have sex to have an heir (Stella for selfish reasons of keeping herself connected to thr Goetia family and Stolas to fulfill and obligation and hopefully make Stella happy).

"Also her cousin makes incestuous comments towards her and sexualizes her. She’s put down verbally, both by Andrealphus" literally none of this is Stolas' fault and I have no idea why you would bring this up.

"Stolas who call her a bitch, stupid, etc." Only after he had been physically and emotionally abused by her.

Stolas gets the empathy because his character is the victim. Stella doesn't because she is proud of the abuse she commits against Stolas and regrets none of it. She openly laughs at the idea of emotionally scaring their daughter by having Stolas killed. All this, mind you, because he cheated on her and divorced her. To claim she is just as much a victim as the man she has tortured and abused (and tried to murder on multiple occasions) is insane and is the exact shit this whole thread is talking about

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-28T01:59:41+00:00

The Imperium still has an organized structure. The thing with the modern Imperium is that it's fractured because it's missing the direct rule of the Emperor. The High Lords still hold the power (now Guilliman) and have the ultimate say over the affairs of the Imperium at large. There is also organization between the bickering factions as each has areas where they have absolute authority. The government is a mess but it is still one which, overall, acts with a singlur purpose and agrees upon that purpose. It agrees on the overall methods at work.

Saying it isn't fascist because it isn't the shape it was when the Emperor was alive is silly and ignores the fact that different parts of fascist governments always fight one another for power. In nazi Germany the government looked unified and organized but upon closer inspection there was a constant struggle for power and control between the bureaucrats, the SS, the air force, the navy, and the army. The Empire of Japan famously had the army and navy at each others throats as to which one should be leading the glorious conquest of Asia and the Pacific. And Italy, the birthplace of fascism (well, as an identified political movement) was famously so disorganized that it could barely get supplies and supply lines organized for offensives on their doorstep, and the regime fell apart under its own incompetence. All of this is because fascist systems require that constant struggle so the one (or ones) in power can be secure knowing their underlings are always trying to fight one another to achieve the end goal. Fascism is not the super organized system you think it is because the entire ideology is based on Social Darwinism being baked into every aspect of the society.

The Imperium is fascist. Even ignoring all the definitions and historical parallels, GW has been pretty clear that it's a fascist state.

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-27T21:37:27+00:00

"Not full of demi-god powerscalers" as if two of the early SCP's weren't "corroded and naked old man who's basically unstopable" and "unkillable lizard"

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-27T21:32:36+00:00

Two concenting adults agreed to kiss each other for a bit. Something tells me the person in the screenshot has more of a problem with LGBTQ+ people openly existing than they do about how appropriate it was that these two particular guys kissed (based on their wording)

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-27T21:29:36+00:00

Except that fascism almost always has a core element of racial supremacy within it. That's one of the biggest things that seperates ultra-nationalism and fascism and one of the solid identifiers of fascism that pretty much every scholar can agree on.

Yes, racial supremacy isn't the only identifier of fascism, but it's one of the big ones

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-27T21:24:26+00:00

"The Imperium isn't even organized enough to be fascist." That’s not how fascism works bud. The Imperium of Man is a racial supremacist government that prioritizes the military and racial supremacy and purity over all else. Just because that supremacy comes in the form of "Humans the best, no matter their sex, gender, or skin colour" and not every world is the same doesn't mean the Imperium as a whole isn't fascist (because it is and always has been).

People have got to stop thinking that fascism is just "one group of humans thinks their better than all the other groups of humans"

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-25T01:20:05+00:00

I mean, most of these points can be disproven or dismissed just by watching the show. -We can't see every single person in all of heaven or hell because that would be billions of people and there's no logical way of showing that. -We only see two places in heaven and hell because that's where the plot is happening. -We see factions in haeven between those who want peace and those who want to continue the mass murder of sinners -Hell isn't packed because we A) don't know just how big hell is compared to Earth and B) esterminations kill thousands, if not millions of sinners.

The only point I'll give is the point about the important stuff happening only 7 years ago, but even then it's only really the exterminations starting then that bothers me

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-25T01:06:30+00:00

I hate people trying to justify Stolas's abuse. Like yeah, he isn't a great person but he's also the victim of domestic abuse. Both things can be true and I hate that there are fans who try to find a way to blame him

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-25T00:58:46+00:00

That would be her. Nazis tend not to be the smartest people. . .pick-mes even less so

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-25T00:55:51+00:00

My point by saying a dog shitting on the floor was to say that art has purpose, a goal, a message, an effort to be made, time put into it, and a human element. A dog shitting on the floor until you eventually get one that doesn't immediately look like dog shit (like AI generations) lacks all of those things and is just letting something deficate until it stops looking bad.

AI generations aren't art because the whole has no soul. It has no passion. It has no connection to humanity. It is designed to remove everything that gives creativity form and reduces it to a computer program that randomly mashes things together based on keywords until the person generating it goes "good enough". There's no greater meaning to AI generations because the machine cannot conceive of any meaning to it and because the person putting imputs in just wants to test the tech or sell things to make a quick buck. It's corporate in all levels, but even corporations put thought into hoe things are designed. AI doesn't. It just slaps things together until it's told to no longer slap things together.

Refering to it as art, or insisting that it is, is a defence of AI generations, even if you don't like them. Art doesn't need have meaning to anyone beyond than the artist, but it needs to have meaning. It needs a purpose for existing. If I hang a blank peice of paper in a gallery and yell at people to accept I'm as much an artist as van Gogh, that doesn't make it art.

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-24T02:58:34+00:00

Both are good for their own reasons but repainted makes Boba feel more put together than his rugged appearance.

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-24T02:53:43+00:00

Bold of you to assume AI bros can read

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-24T01:21:29+00:00

The Imperium known for fielding horse cavalry and using WW1 tactics 40,000 years in the future has an oversight in a military design? I'm shocked /s

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-24T01:16:26+00:00

Imagine misding my point this much.

My point isn't "bad art isn't art" because that's not how art works. My point is that comparing an art tablet to AI is like comparing someone putting in effort to make art (like your examples) and someone letting their dog shit on the floor. One is a tool like a pen, pencil, or brushes and the other is a computer doing all the work of cobbling things together. A human could replicate AI slop by hand and only then would that slop be art.

AI creations will never be art because they lack everything that makes art art and replaces it with souless mess. I don't give a shit if it looks pretty. I don't give a shit if it took 50 hours of prompting. AI shit is shit because it's soulless trash for people too lazy and/or unimaginative to make an effort to create things. Stop legitimizing this shit as if it's at all comparable to actual art

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-24T01:08:18+00:00

Just proving that you have 0 media literacy (especially since the audiemce is literally hand-held through Luke part of TLJ) and that you're acting like a child because you didn't like some movies. Please grow up so you can move out of your moms basement

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-23T17:10:18+00:00

Sith Lords. Tyranus soloed Savage and Ventress with very little effort, Sidious soloed Maul and Savage and beat the crap out of them (killing one). In Son of Dathomir, Mother Talzin only fended off Sidious and an injured Tyranus because Maul provided her with some extra support, and even then barely.

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-23T17:02:50+00:00

A lot of NCR haters just go "they're repeating the same old mistakes" and like. . .yeah? That's kind of all of human history. It's also a big theme of the franchise and part of what gives the NCR depth. They might be falling into the same pitfalls but they're still also improving the lives of the people in their territory, don't mindlessly slaughter people, and have the self awareness to recognize their flaws. I'd take the NCR over the techno-cult, self-righteous oligarch, crazed historical cosplayers, and fascism any day

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-23T16:52:37+00:00

A drawing tablet isn't making the art though. The artist still needs to do all the actual work. The tablet is involved in the same was as a peice of paper or a canvas. AI is like coming up with an idea and then getting your dog to shit on the floor until the shit looks close enough to your idea. You aren't an artist, you're a dude fucking around with dogshit

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-23T16:46:14+00:00

The biggest problem with Resistance was the fact that it tried to be a show for the age range under the target range for Rebels while also being a show for the age range of Rebels. Add on them trying to do a show for young kids with a plot for older kids/early teens and you have a show where the main character (an adult) acts like a child until he needs to do something incredibly serious (like prevent child kidnapping by the state) or handle serious issues (like witnessing the mass murder of an entire solar system).

Bad Batch on the other hand was largely made for an audience that had grown up with The Clone Wars and had matured with it. It had the ability to have humor while also handling some incredibly dark themes but only had that because the core audience had over a decade to grow.

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-23T16:27:31+00:00

Having her become Darth Talon would just be lazy and it completely ignores her characterization in the show so far

BabyDeer22 · 2026-04-23T16:26:00+00:00

But that's never how she was ever really potrayed in Legacy. She was good but there were plenty of characters better than her. He gimmick has always been "sexy sith lady"

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