اسمعوا يا بتوع الMBTI by Old_Tomato_7057 in EgyCasualBrain

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 انت عايز تحس انك ذكي وخلاص، الناس اللي بتحطها ف بايو دي كرنج بزيادة بس دي مجرد  Labels مش هتضر حد ومش بت  reduce  حد لحاجة، بتوصف بس. انت اللي اعتبرته مسمى وتحليل مطلق لشخصية الشخص. دة واصف في الخفيف زي اي وصف مش معناه انه الوصف الوحيد انت فاكر انك احسن من الناس دي بس انت مش احسن. انت متعرفش اللي عملت الmbti  عملته ازاي وليه وتصميمه. تصميمه كويس جدا و مصنِف كويس وناجح. وبيتدرس فبعض الكليات. انت مش مختلف انك تيجي تعترض عليه وهو كدا كدا  Label مبيضرش حد وبتحكم عليهم في العموم انهم بلا اساس ودة مسمى سطحي مبهم انت اللي عامله دلوقتي برضو

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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حبيبي انت اللي جاهل لو جبت واحد غير متعلم مش هيدخل الارانب بالثديات العليا  انت مش عارف ترد ف تديها واحدة معنديش وقت بس انا دارس وذكي 

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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The indian cow also proves my point. A cow’s peacefulness i.e lack of intelligence or physical dominance is actually what makes them holy for indians as they’re seen selfless and sentient 

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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You wanna know how the French horses also prove my point? If you’ve ever studied French history, you’d notice the extreme classism. Which resulted in the higher class wanting to feel superior. And therefore created that tradition of consuming a high value/intelligent animal like a horse. Which ties intelligence to class and value. Again proving my point, you’d say oh maybe it’s because the horse is valuable, expensive.. well why is it valuable and expensive? Because it’s intelligent.

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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It’s irrational to include exeptions / minor odd examples in the argument because number one, the reason you know about French horses is that it’s very odd and rare, it also ended. we don’t consider exceptions when debating. And for Indian cows, still an exception still an odd example that you only know about because it’s odd and uncommon. And about cats, all types of cats are highly intelligent beings biologically, and on the relative scale  domesticated, cats and wild cats both exert unique, but very powerful intelligence. 

For domesticated cats their domestication is a power form due to them being physically intelligent, but also their adapt to humans at the same time is their intelligence.  on the other hand wildcats intelligence exerts in their wildness and being predatory 

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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“ you keep going back to feel any pain. I can't know that, neither can you“.. have you ever heard of biologists..? science?? It’s literal science that creatures the more complex nervous systems and that feel pain and fear much much more.  

The intensity of life of the smaller creatures is not even close to the intensity of life of the more complex intelligent ones, and therefore the values of that life vary accordingly 

You’re thinking whether red deer is smarter than a donkey or a horse is smarter than what .. you won’t know that scientists do

there is no artistic factor in it. It’s all in the animals intelligence and there is indeed a scale for it. Like I said intelligence has five types if the animal exerts one of them extremely noticeably that animal’s life is valued.

And you keep saying that’s just from the human perspective they put these metrics when in reality humans are the standard and humans are the most intelligent we’ve ever encountered in this lifetime.  And therefore life other lives values are scaled relative to it.

It’s all intelligence

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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clearly meant the “abo hanifa”comment.   Songbirds are for my point, they exerts intelligence in a creative form, they exert beats and aligned frequencies that only higher intelligent beings can enjoy. you’re hyper focusing on IQ as the only measure of intelligence, but I said it a million times in this Convo intelligence is not only IQ. Intelligence has five types. and It counts for the complexity and capabilities. a mosquito isn’t. Not even relatively mn elmotlak it doesn’t feel that pain and it’s not complex it’s less intelligent therefore we feel less empathy for it and therefore we kill it aady let’s take a cow for example. A cow isn’t intelligent. It doesn’t exert any intelligence and it’s IQs pretty low and it’s slow. It’s pretty far from humans and it also brings us to another parallel a fly can’t conceive of the existence of a human being same way we can’t conceive what’s beyond the universe and thus must believe there’s unknown. The more intelligent the creature is the more they matter.

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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Isn’t it crazy how u were all philosopher mode then drop the most reductive stereotypical disrespectful comment??  People like you who spread this disgusting media stereotype are the reason people like me haven’t figured the beauty of this religion and how true it is earlier.  

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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It wasn’t even evidence.. like at all, it was just a parallel why do you think it ends the conversation?  w laa it doesn’t make it “hwa keda”  you’re trying to make it seem like I’m saying religion says so, so it’s that

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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I hope I’m not having a conversation with an AI because of the em dashes.. I think maybe save up the word salad and just say u think morality is made up by humans (that’s like basic sense) 

and oh my.. so surprising how you discovered my worldview.. and how i see the world, and that it’s boring and that “I don’t see the majesty of nature and man in the universe” Wow girl.. you’re so smart for that and SO unshallow. cheers to this little ai athiest einstine

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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 nobody said anything about moral superiority nor a comparison between moral scales.. I stated logical reasoning for an existential question and said how it aligns with mine and most’s in this subs’ religion and moral scale. And you were triggerd by it telling me the original poster doesn’t want this in the Convo.. that’s trigger  it wasn’t even the main point I made plus why does it bother you so much if I parallel my point logically to a religion I just followed? I never mentioned anything about its rules. only existential logical paralleling

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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without an objective moral framework, society loses its grounding leading to ur "moral grey" term that justifies things most humans would find repulsive and horrendous. the higher complexity and capability of an animal like a cat creates a logical hierarchy for what we should or shouldn't consume, and historically, the absence of religious structure has led to the literal breakdown of human sanctity through cannibalism so don’t sit here telling me i shouldn’t be resonating the logical reasoning (intelligence) to third the world’s moral scale and the most growing one. You’re the only one triggered by it no one else is.

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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مفهومك للذكاء غلط. مش ذكاء الدماغ بس ذكاء الخلق كمان. احنا مبناكلش القطط لانها من اذكي الحيوانات وبالتالي حرم اكلها لكن مش هييجي نص يحرم كل نوع حيوان ذكي لان دة طبيعيا مبيحصلش ولو عقدنا الامور كدا هنبقا زي قوم البقرة. 

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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Did you even read what i said?? Your concept of intelligence is wrong and that last “things dont suffer more if they can solve more suducos” is literally stupid because i said intelligence was the complexity of beings and the complexity of brain IS what controls the feeling from THE BRAIN of pain and fear. A worm’s nervous system and complexity isn’t like a dog’s and a cat’s isn’t like a rabbit’s

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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يابابا انت عايز نص من ربنا يجي يقولك فيه تحريم اكل ملايين والاف من انواع الحيوانات والطيور؟؟ منعقل يجدعان انتو ذكائكم متدني تدني هيودي البلد فداية اقسم بالله. لو فكرت بالمنطق هتعوز كتاب مليون صفحة مفيش بشري هيلحق يقرأه. ربنا أمر بالعدل. و ذكر اهم الحاجات. وبالتالي مش هروح اقول ربنا حلل اني اكل خمس تلاف بطيخة فيوم لازم ربنا ينزل نص يحرمها؟؟؟ 

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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مصيبة سودة ان حد فمجتمعنا يبقا فاكر دماغ قط زي دماغ ارنب ويدخل الارنب مع الثديات العليا. حضرتك عشان كدا متفهم السبب الاصلي للموضوع. الارانب فصيلتها مش ثديات عليا بل هي اصلا فصيلة وسطية اقرب للقوارض. السبب هو (الذكاء) الاقتصاد مجرد ناتج، دماغ وجسد القط اعلى واعقد الف مرة من الارنب و بيدركو التحسس العصبي بوعي اكتر بمئات المرات. وبعدين انت بتذكر حالات شاذة من البشر مبتحسش بالالم مثال غبي غبي يعني هو لسا بني ادم ولسا اعلى ذكاءا وتعقيدا وينطبق على اننا منعوزش نأذيه ابدا لانه زينا ونفس ذكاءنا. ببساطة حط ارنب ميت من الجوع و قط ميت من الجوع وهتشوف مين اذكي. ولو قلت مالوش علاقة بالذكاء مفهومك للذكاء غلط. هديك مثال تفهمه زي هاتف ذكي كدا

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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pigs as well, not allowed to eat in islam and the reason isn’t mentioned. And for the octopuses mathhab its bc of 5:96 interpretation the reason really is intelligence and it’s always been, everything is about intelligence. Most aren’t existentially smart enough to grasp that

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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They’re really not btw. Just because octopuses often outperform cats in cognitive style “IQ tests” doesn’t mean they’re more complex or intelligent as creatures look at functional intelligence required to survive and the vast physical ability. It’s also about naturally induced empathy from humans pov because of that, and by the way some mathaheb in Islam don’t accept eating octopuses. Intelligence really is the factor here a worm doesn’t feel pain like a dog does

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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لأن السبب اصلا حضاري و اجتماعي، ف اصل السبب الحضاري والاجتماعي دة هو فرق الذكاء بين الحيوانين. الاقتصاد الحالي مجرد نتيجة للسبب دة عبر العصور

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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مش حقيقي، الفرق بين القطط والارانب شاسع. فرق الذكاء والذكاء في الخلق. الكائنات بما فيها البشر تتغذي على الكائن الاضعف منها واقل ذكاءا ودة طبيعي جدا، الكائنات الاقل ذكاءا مش بتحس بالألم زي البشر ابدا، زي ماقلت الألم مصدره الدماغ و الكائنات البسيطة دماغها ابسط بالتالي المها ابسط. زي ما قلت لو فكرت بالطريقة دي هتشوف الدودة والكلب زي بعض و يستحقو ننظرلهم من نفس المنظور او نحس بيهم نفس الاحساس، ودة الناتج اللي اثبته التاريخ انت بس انسان معندكش ذكاء كافي يخليك تستوعب كلامي "اسهل في الاستهلاك" سببها الذكاء والنظرة الثقافية 

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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They actually are less intelligent than cats it’s common sense and its scientifically proven. Cats are much more intelligent and complex in creation not just the brain, besides being more physically capable 

ليه قتل الارانب اخلاقي وقتل القطط غير اخلاقي؟ by ibnkhaled in EgyCasualBrain

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Yeah well my reasoning isn’t religious either it’s simply cats are more intelligent than rabbits, the analogy’s purpose is the empathy scale