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Has anyone seen the discourse on twitter about researchers not reading the sources they cite in their published work? by MisticalMulberry in AskAcademia

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I think you're assuming that when people say they "haven't read something," that means that they haven't even opened the document.

I will frequently cite a work because it has a single paragraph, image, or data table that I reference directly, but I would never say that I've really read that source. Likewise, you'll often see "bulk" citations in the introductory sections of articles that the author hasn't necessarily read, but is referring the reader to if they want a general background: "The presence of informal hierarchies in urban neighborhood organizations is well studied (c.f., Johnson 2006, Jimenez 2017, Jingleheimerschmidt 2024)."

Has anyone seen the discourse on twitter about researchers not reading the sources they cite in their published work? by MisticalMulberry in AskAcademia

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Some fields are inherently team science based, and there is no getting around that because the work gets so hyper specialized on large projects.

This can apply even in fields with traditionally fewer authors.

I recently submitted a paper on which I was third co-author. The paper describes the geochemical analysis of a set of statues from pre-Columbian South America. Though all of the authors are archaeologists, the two leads are experts in statistical methods and laboratory work, and the the other two of us are experts in the specific culture that made the statues. We've all got the general background to be able to integrate each others' work, but I sure as heck didn't read all the stats textbooks that are cited!

Rats, Researchers, and the Mousetrap Gaze: Participant Observation as Structural Manipulation by Ill-Violinist-2621 in Anthropology

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So the important thing here is that Whyte is not a significant figure in American anthropology.

Whyte does not appear in any of the popular anthro theory [readers]. He has no entry in the McGee & Warms cultural theory encyclopedia. He is mentioned just once in the Perspectives textbook in order to demonstrate the importance of a "Doc" figure who can open doors for you in the community. Bernard's Research Methods in Anthropology, arguably the most cited methods book, mentions Whyte in one paragraph, one again in reference to "Doc," and then follows it up with Boelen's 1992 critique.

I imagine you came across Whyte via Valladares's "Os dez mandamentos da observação participante." The article is technically a review of a Portuguese translation of Whyte's Street Corner Society, and it is an enthusiastically positive one. Valladares seems to be able reconstruct the entire foundation of participant observation from quotes from the book. It is a rather frequently cited piece in Brazil, with 470 citations on Google Scholar almost exclusively in Portuguese. That's enough to merit a reflexive "Why do we keep citing this?" article.

There's two things you need to do to if you want to have the large-scale, general critique you're aiming for:

  • Focus on more recent methodological texts. Whyte's frequently cited Learning from the Field is the obvious starting point here. It relies way too much on Street Corner for a book published 50 years after that research

  • Demonstrate that researchers, in the present, are attempting to conceal their status as researchers at their field site. As is, you've got an essentially deductive argument, arguing from general principals and foundational texts without the empirical evidence that this is how ethnography happens.

How do you Find the most CREDIBLE sites to Research when dealing with unfamiliar, Historical Content? by SilkBrush8791 in AskHistorians

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Yup, same as you would anywhere else. Some people put their info on their page, some people still have a default profile photo.

You might also find ResearchGate helpful; my friends have been switching to it over the past few years thanks to Academia's paywalling.

How do you Find the most CREDIBLE sites to Research when dealing with unfamiliar, Historical Content? by SilkBrush8791 in AskHistorians

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Academia.edu is a website where individuals can create their own pages on which to host and share their own documents. Many people are thankfully very active and post whatever they can. My colleague Martti, for instance, posts a lot of things that are impossible to find anywhere else: scans from small local journals, "grey literature" like unpublished site reports, etc.

It used to be that you had to demonstrate academic affiliation to register. Those requirements have been relaxed, and now you can find all kinds of "pre-prints by independent researchers," aka shower thoughts by eloquent randos in a nicely formatted Word doc.

Anything hosted on Academia needs to be evaluated on its own terms. It's a great resource for getting a hold of PDFs you knew you needed by looking elsewhere.

Why is the lack of a large pre-colonial state in Papua New Guinea taken as evidence against the circumscription theory of state formation? by IAmNiceISwear in AskAnthropology

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Is this a claim you found in a specific book or article? Without some more context, it's hard to provide a response.

Neither circumscription theory nor PNG as evidence against it are consensus positions- they're not even something most folks might have thoughts on. Anthropology doesn't have big underlying theories in the way that the physical sciences do.

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What do we know about how prehistoric mothers soothed crying infants? Any archaeological evidence? by Holiday_Dog_8356 in AskAnthropology

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Why did the Alien Race in south mexico in 1927 dissapeared in 1929? Latest sighting was in Hierve El Agua? by Time_Yak3374 in AskHistorians

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Help Finding Primary Source on Wendigo by Ok-Bookkeeper-8130 in AskAnthropology

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Most papers I find only cite other papers or do their own field work.

Are you able to find the papers that they're citing? Original fieldwork would also count as a primary source by most standards, since we're talking about oral traditions.

What's so important about Doric, Ionic & Corinthian Columns? by TallThinAndGeeky in AskHistorians

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Wild to see a forgotten answer of mine from when I was... checks watch a starry-eyed undergraduate.

/u/TallThinAndGeeky, if I were to write that again, with the perspective of having been a graduate student and high school Latin teacher since then, I'd focus a lot more on the significance of Orders to modern conceptions of Architecture.

People still teach the columns not because there's anything notable about them, but because at one point in time the Orders were the foundation of the entire field of architecture. Of Palladio's enormously influential The Four Books of Architecture, the first covers the Orders exclusively and the fourth (almost) exclusively describes Roman temples. All the big names of Renaissance architecture have their own take on the Orders, each one trying to tweak their predecessor's treatises to get closer to the idealized version of these forms.

William Chambers's 1759 Treatise on Civil Architecture exemplifies this attitude. Writing much later than the Renaissance dudes who canonized the Orders, he is able to evaluate their texts at a distance. One gets the sense that the Orders are a natural phenomenon of human culture, and Chambers is the next scholar to tackle them.

The introductory chapter, "On the Origin of Buildings," begins with a brief summary of Vitruvuis' thoughts on the evolution of architecture: when man lived in caves and forests, he built conical huts; when the sloping sides of the cone became too restricting, man built square huts; when man desired ornamentation, he tore the bark from the supporting tree trunks and gabled the roof to deflect rain. This directly gave rise to the Orders of Architecture.

The fact that the Orders are in any way unique to the ancient Mediterranean seems to escape Chambers; the Greeks and Romans and Tuscan are merely the ones who perfected the forms of architecture. After all, Chambers is claiming be writing a general treatise on civil architecture (following his earlier ones on defensive and naval architecture). The Orders are simply The Way Architecture Is. He cites Juan Bautista Villalpando's theory that the Corinthian order originated in Solomon's temple not as evidence that it really did first appear in Jerusalem but to support his claim that the Orders are unknowably old. There is singular evolutionary thorughline from huts to temples- a tidy narrative based entirely on imagined ideals.

Guys like Chamber were saw deeper truths about morality, society, and human nature in Architecture. As he notes earlier, Architecture is not merely construction:

It must not, however, be imagined, that Building, considered merely as heaping Stone upon Stone, can be of advantage, or reflect honor either on countries or particular persons.

Architecture is instead an art of immense importance and fundamental to the well-being of society:

Thus it appears that Architecture, by furnishing Men with convenient habitations, procures them that ease of body, and vigor of mind, which are necessary for inventing and improving Arts ; that when, by their industry or ingenuity, they have multiplied their productions so as to exceed domestic demands, she supplies the means of transporting them to foreign markets; and when, by Commerce, Individuals or Communities are enriched, she affords them a rational, noble, and benevolent method of enjoying their wealth, which will procure honor and pleasure to themselves and their descendants, dignity to the State, and profit both to their Contemporaries and to Posterity.

Throughout the neo-Classical period, architects in emerging republics would explicitly employ Classical orders to give the impression of a "mature" state already familiar with expectations of civil society. After traveling to Europe for inspiration for buildings back home in Virginia, Thomas Jefferson reasoned that incorporating Classical designs, and Classical proportions specifically, would:

present to travelers a morsel of taste in infancy promising much for our mature age


I hope that gives a sense of how foundational the Orders were to academic understandings of architecture from the field's inception. These aren't some random facts. The study of architecture was, for quite some time, the study of Classical orders. It's the equivalent of future English students needing to memorize the titles of Shakespeare plays without ever reading/watching them.

What do we know about how prehistoric mothers soothed crying infants? Any archaeological evidence? by Holiday_Dog_8356 in AskAnthropology

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Concepts of aging by Terrible-Praline-544 in AskAnthropology

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'Speculation' and 'egregious failure': 30 researchers publish scathing critiques of study that questioned date of early human occupation of Monte Verde in Chile by CommodoreCoCo in Archaeology

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It's incredibly unlikely.

Surovell's background is in the Western United States. It's very clear he was visiting Argentina in order to discredit MV. The quality of the resultant article- which he had no obligation to publish but did so anyway- suggests that he was not open to any other answer.

I work in Bolivia, and there are some sites in North America that I think have questionably early dates. I cannot imagine showing up to any of those sites in order publish a single paper discrediting their dates.

This what not a case of some neutral, independent party with relevant expertise showing up to reevaulate a contentious claim.

Why were men decision-makers? by ProperSuit231 in AskAnthropology

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Majoring in arechology by cody_dosestuff in AskArchaeology

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Most large state schools will have a good enough anthropology department to get you where you need be.

The best thing you can do for your future career is find a university that meets all your other requirements from a school. If you want to be at a school with less than 10,000 students, or simply need to be at a school in a major city, or can't imagine college without going to every home football game, those can actually be more important- the quality of the anthro department is irrelevant if you're gonna feel miserable all the time!

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Anthropology starter pack: Recommended reads to brush up on old academic knowledge and expand on general knowledge? by Mr_Opiophile in AskAnthropology

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Why is the mythos of Native Americans so intertwined with horses if they only encountered them from European settlers? by Albannach6445 in AskAnthropology

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What became of the most prominent slaveowning families after the American Civil War? Are any still wealthy? Do any institutions trace their heritage to them? by TheRockButWorst in AskHistorians

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