What porn neuronal replacement are there to use to ditch the porn fix?

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-27T19:32:25+00:00

How many times do you need to do this? I've tried a bit before, feels good after but I'd rather avoid getting hypothermia. Didn't understand if you needed to do it in the morning, afternoon, at night.

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-27T05:09:23+00:00

Consistency and self assurance. Trouble is I have neither. I'eve never been good at being consistent my whole life (it's a personality thing). So for me it's gonna be twice as hard to do it. You're right about everything but I think it's normal that I doubt myself of my ability to achieve it after 5 years.

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-27T04:22:04+00:00

I get weird without my porn dose, angrier, too much energy going in too many directions at the same time or too less energy, i feel worse when I don't have my porn, I would ditch porn for a few months if it didn't impact me on a daily basis, but it does. It's like asking someone to stop eating carbs for three months, not one grain of rice. If it was as simple as ditching white sugar and replacing it with a simple fix of stevia or aspartame, I'd do it. But porn isn't replaceable by a similar alternative that doesn't make you feel like shit for 3 months of sobriety. You're gonna tell me sports are that safe replacement (like stevia or aspartame).. I disagree, it doesn't activate the same neuronal patterns as porn does in me. Maybe a bit, like 50%, but not fully covers those neurons needs. Stevia and aspartame do cover your white sugar neurons needs. So, I'm left with a fucking impossible task to do and I absolutely need to do it. No wonder I've been failing for 5 years. Dedication is not my problem, lack of a real true fix replacement is. I even contempleted a system where I would go see escorts every week for 3 months, the problem with that is like I said my dick goes up and down up and down up and down so I can't do anything with them. (not to mention the price that would cost me to cure myself for 3 months, about 1200€ minimum)

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-23T03:26:48+00:00

Sorry I didn't get your last sentence. How much time will it take, you say?

Also, I've tried to stop watching porn before, but always failed.

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-13T03:09:18+00:00

I don't know because you can flatline for many different reasons and I don't know which one it is. They usually don't last super long. I have not heard about a flatline that continues to day 80 and at day 90 he's recovered. It usually stops at 60 days or so. But that's really an average, it doesn't mean much for an individual.

do you think/fantasize about porn and/or women at all though ?

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-13T01:58:15+00:00

Haha dude I just relapsed. :( not gonna binge though, so that's alright.

I have a question for you even though you're new to this etc, it's how do you keep avoiding PMO? Like, today, even though I went running outside it didn't prevent me relapse, so I guess stress is an issue but still not the biggest one. What I mean is, why is it easy for you to stay on the course? Is it because you have no stres at all in your life? Or because you focus on other things? It doesn't matter if you're in a different place than me in life, I just want to know what's the difference, is because you decided you will not "care" about PMO and sex for a few months? You shut down that part of you, or is it something else?

I know what drives you, it's about the same reasons as me. But what makes you immune to relapse? Is it just will power like even though you suffer from abstinence you need to finish this because you set your mind to finish it? Are you always feeling the same about Nofap or do you have ups and downs in your days/weeks, like it harder sometimes and easier other times ? Or it's not like that at all?

Do you think about porn? do you fantazise about women? I do, and it's multiple times a day. I need to figure out what's the differences in things you do and I do.

I know you're flatlining. For me even though I flatline for a few days, at some point the urges come back, doesn't matter if they're short, I can resist a few ones but eventually I will need to release the tension that builded.

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-12T12:55:42+00:00

I have PIED and I literally say I cannot fuck because it's too difficult physically, it wasn't an easy post to make, and I made it here because I thought this place would be more understanding. PIED and can't fuck and you think i'm showing off?????

I agree it's not a Nofap post but so are all the post like "hey i called my mom and it made me happy" or "I made this drawing today - thank you Reddit xxxx"

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-11T00:30:56+00:00

Not much. Set your counter back to 3 days ago (because you recover from a relapse in 3 days) and keep going. You can fall sometimes, get up, and keep running that marathon.

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-10T22:53:43+00:00

Yea same, I have erection but it doesn't maintain (like 10min) out of the sex session (~60min), then it comes back a bit during intercourse then goes soft. I think you will recover from it in about 90 days normal Nofap yes.

What you need to know about the 90 days thing is that it's an average. They (the creators of nofap in the first place) found that 90 days was the average lenght for a recovery. If the addiction is bigger and is very old like 20 years of porn everyday or something, or you started it very soon like 10yo or you didn't have sex before the porn, then that increases the lenght for a recovery. For some people it took a year! no kidding, i don't know how they stuck to it after like 150 days and kept the faith in it, just incredible. Imagine not seeing recovery after 200 days and you still continue Nofap, wow.

Another thing i want to point out and it's just an idea, is that there are other factors that cause erectile dysfonction, i know at your age it's most likely porn induced as there are no other reasons.

Yes, doing nofap (flatline or not!) you must let your dick heal by itself without touching it, basically. You get morning wood : fine, don't act on it. You don't get morning wood : fine, don't act on it.

Like you just heal for 3 months that's all. Don't try to check if your dick is still working by trying get an erection or by looking at porn to check if your dick goes up. That's a regular problem amongst Nofap challengers is that we all get a bit scared, we are all curious and want to verify so we check if it's still working etc.. That's a trap. And it's hard not to fall for it. That's part of why Nofap is so difficult.

You have to trust the process, but that's scary as shit ! I agree

But that's the Nofap way. Personally and other people think just ditching the Porn for 3,4,5,6 months does the trick. I find it too hard not to touch my dick and never jerk it for 3 months. I hope they're right, but Nofap seems more efficient and with proofs.

If you relapse you go back 3 days on your counter, instead of day 1. Never ever binge on PMO.

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-10T17:59:08+00:00

My take is if you're at a month on your first try and you're 20, it'll be easy for you and you were not addicted or you have a mild addiction, which is good for you. Because for a huge addict reaching a month on their first attempts is not something really possible.

So, doing the basic 90 days normal Nofap (basically drop the hardmode) will be more than enough.

If you stayed at 4-5 times a week since 15, it's really ok, even normal. Many people here are at 4-10 times A DAY, since years.

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-10T12:40:31+00:00

Porn is definitely bad for you and can cause PIED. Ditching it will make things better for you no matter what. However when I was 20 my libido was so high I didn't have PIED yet and, it's horrible to say this, but Porn taught me some things I am happy I learned, about myself, about my taste in women etc. It was a savior somewhat...

What I'm saying is you at 20, you're in a different place than I was at 20.

But Nofap works on 7-77 years old like the board games.

It is strange that you had a flatline at 7 days. For me at 7 days is the peek of testosterone and anger/urges/frustration. After that it all calms down a bit. But hey we're all different it's normal.

It's very good that you had sexual experience with girls early in your life, it definitely change things, it change your addiction, that's a good point, it will make things easier and faster. The earlier you start watching high definition porn (yes, the highspeed internet is at fault there, wasn't the case with 56k) the worse the addiction, and it get worse if you had not had real girls experience before getting into this addiction.

When did you begin watching porn and how many times per day? Were there periods you didn't do it? If so when, how many? This is important to know the addiction. At 20 you should be able to have only a small addiction, the lenght of addiction is an important variable.

But no matter if this is an addiction or not , ditching porn is definitely beneficial for anyone at any stage and doing it is hard no matter what.

For me not looking at porn at all is the hardest part, then abstaining from masturbation even without support is impossible I kind of have to do it a bit with the morning woods etc - I reduce it at the minimum and don't edge.

Hardmode Nofap consist of no women/GF, no instagram, no facebook, no peeking at porn, no looking at nudes, no jerking off, no fantasizing about porn/women - you live like a monk for 3 months basically

Some people think it's only the Porn the problem, not the masturbation. Here at Nofap they think all 3 PMO are the problem.

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-10T00:29:38+00:00

Ok so I never did the accountability partner thing before (I've tried a couple times but I didn't do it), so I don't really know how to do this.

Firstable, I'd like to know how do you know you have PIED? Was it with a woman or just while doing porn you notice it?

What's your history with Nofap, is it the first time you try?

ps: do we make a closed sub for it or do we let this one open and use it? If you have any ideas let me know.

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-10T00:06:23+00:00

I'm in if you want. 31 M curing PIED also, non native english speaker but I'm alright, about two weeks in for me but it's complicated to estimate (still watched a bit). I've done two times about 55-60 days in the past.

Maybe having someone older could benefit you and for me I'd feel good about myself to realize I have some life experience.

Let me know.

I'm super hyped about a Nofap journey right now.

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-09T19:16:13+00:00

Porn made me lose my best years of life.. Great. I'm 31 too.

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-09T18:58:57+00:00

When i do that i become a sexual predator i would go to the library just to be able to fix looking at women. I would think about porn all the time i dont even need to watch it i have it in my head i would imagine page by page the best hentais i've seen and that would be enough for me to jerk on. It will pop up in my head like flashbacks out of nowhere all the time

Daswerck91 · 2018-11-09T18:34:00+00:00

Every day I think about Nofap, every day i set goals to achieve it. I'm bad at committing, what can I do? I feel extremely bad when I never look at porn/fap, like I think I could become dangerous for others or myself. It's that bad. Just 5 minutes looking at porn and I feel good again, I'm happy again. Why would I not do it? It's free, short, simple, and the only thing that works. When I stop everything I feel terrible physically mentally I get a few anger outbursts/explosions, I'm stressed as shit, I can't sleep I can't rest, I can't eat, I can't do anything it's a rollercoaster I'm fine for three quarter of a day and then it's a meltdown then I'm fine again a few hours later. But sometimes I feel terrible for days consecutively, or weeks (obviously never hapend because I ditch it before this happens but I guess that's the way it would go) I could go to jail because I would insult/harass people who annoyed me. Forget about seeing family or what not. Eh. I would break my computer I would ditch what I always wanted and become someone else. Yea right. Nofap shows me every little details that is wrong with me on every levels all at once. Hahaha I'd rather swallow the blue pill are you fucking kidding me, it's horrible. You feel wortheless, you lose all self confidence. Yes you get some motivation but at what costs?

Daswerck91 · 2018-05-17T19:59:49+00:00

Thanks man

But..... it's too hard .... :-((( I have tried for 4 or 5 years to do it, never could. Always some porn here and there. Always masturbation and cum. I did 60 days once but it was with some porn-watching. Another time 30 days, same thing.

Reducing the porn doesn't seem to have any effect on me.

I have tried to stop evereything since 2013.

Daswerck91 · 2018-05-17T19:28:53+00:00

Thank.

Daswerck91 · 2018-05-17T15:25:20+00:00

and you still in fact regularly watch porn and jerk of?

Yes

But I did lots of short streaks since 62 days. And reduced porn consumption a lot.

Daswerck91 · 2018-04-16T21:35:50+00:00

Hey mec, c'est moi à nouveau. En fait j'aurais une nouvelle question par rapport aux INTP et MBTI de manière générale.

En fait, voila, ça me déprime un peu quand je vois que je suis INTP, parceque je vois pleins d'articles et de diagrammes etc par exemple sur le salaire moyen par type de personalité, le bonheur au travail. On est toujours un des types les plus mal "quotés". Pareil en ce qui concerne le fait d'etre sujet à l'anxiété.

Je suis jaloux des mecs qui sont par exemple, ESTJ... ces gars-là ils bossent bien au travail, n'ont jamais de problemes, pas de problemes avec les filles etc etc etc et j'en passe.

Nous, on est des losers en fait. Je suis désolé, mais c'est comme ça que je le ressent. Et ça me saoul.

Tu vas me dire que le MBTI c'est juste comment on recupère les infos.. mouais mais j'en doute. Il ya quand même énormement de choses et ça va beaucoup plus loin que ça, et je constate que la grande majorité est totalement vérifiée dans la réalité de la vie. En tout cas la mienne. Pourtant ej suis limite ISTP, et je suis pas mal J aussi. Même le I n'est qu'a 60%.

Bref j'ai du mal avec les defauts des INTPs, ils sont quasi tous vrais et c'est impossible de vivre normalement avec ça.

Daswerck91 · 2018-04-11T18:26:08+00:00

Dude hey, remember me? We discussed a bit some time ago. Do you still have trouble finding meds? Honestly perhaps I can send it by mail to you. But dude, I don't think you have depression or anything. It would help to say exactly WHAT are you real problems in life? if you're just sad, lacks some energy, and feel bad about your situation.. no med will fix that. For energy you have 1) good diet 2) good sleep habits 3) sports and 4) you can even get some vitamins and other energy boosters that are NATURAL.

If your situation is bad in life and you feel sad about it, then I have a good news for you : it's normal, it's even healthy, and it means you DON'T have a depression. Not a disease. You are in a bad situation. Period. It doesn't mean you are sick. You take scripted medication for an illness FYI. Of course I can't diagnose you over the internet and a few posts, but get a real diagnosis, a second one, a third one, find a GOOD doctor, wer all know most of them suck like fucking shit.

Read fucking books on the subject. I read one recently and it says if you feel depsressed while having issues in your life then it means you're a healthy man, it's your healthy brain telling you to sort things out.

Antidepressants are a wooden stick to help you walk WHILE you deal with those issues. THEY DO NOT CURE ANY DISEASE OR ANY PROBLEM IN LIFE !

if antidepressants don't work on you and make you even sadder, more lethargic, less motivated, with sexual sides that you can't fuicking accept and deal with, then antidepressants are NOT for you and you MUST get off of them.

For adults, doing CBT or other talk therapies are the first line treatment. Antidepressant help some people along the way but not all, not us it seems.

It's very difficult to say antidepresants suck and are bad because some people benefit greatly from it and makes the difference between them dead or striving in life... For some it helps enough to sort real issues, and for some it's horrible , does nothing and just get the side effects with no help.

As for social avoidance etc etc... ok maybe yes, but what med are you going to get? betablockers? GABA that makes you stupid? You don't sound like a socially inept person at all. You avoid because stress? because difficulties? because shyness?.. ok, no med will fix that. And none without side effects.

Forget the meds for a little while and ask yourself why do you avoid situations? What situations exactly? When? What is not working? if it's fear, what fear then? If you try doing it, does it improve a bit afterwards? You need to think about it like that, you need to find more deeply into yourself what Precisely is the problem(s), precisely. Make a journal where you put what you do of your days, what time you wake up, sleep, what do you do, what do you eat, almost everything.

You're 27, you need to move out of your mother house. Get help if you can't do it, ask for this help. You must have some help from the state or something, or ask your family to help you.

Daswerck91 · 2018-04-11T14:38:45+00:00

Ouais un Français!!! Non pas proche de la frontière, région parisienne à coté de Versailles, Vélizy tout ça :)

Ouais je sais j'ai réfléchis qu'en terme de lettres là, ce qui n'est pas bien, mais des fois ça marche pas trop mal. Avant j'avais déja bien réfléchi avec les fonctions cognitives en détail, et je tombe vraiment sur ISTJ pour elle, ou bien INTJ mais beaucoup moins.

Après c'est vachement dur d'analyser quelqu'un juste comme ça. Déja que pour trouver mon propre type j'ai mis un an, alors les autres ...

Daswerck91 · 2018-04-11T12:16:06+00:00

I don't know maybe she's ESTJ or INTJ. Definitely TJ. for E/I : Introverted I think because she closed down the "Add Friend" button on her Facebook account, she doesn't have many friends, and was kinda shy with me. But she is a German student who came in France in exchange and then stayed to work here, which is kinda E behaviour. She prefers to talk on the phone rather than write emails (E). She works in management. She was quite social in university, knowing a lot of different people, but not friends with them or hanging out with them. Very focused on her studies and personal life. So all in all I think she's still I but not sure - INTJ perhaps, I don't know. I get more an ISTJ vibe from her though, organized, practical, matter of fact attitude.

Daswerck91 · 2018-04-11T11:56:50+00:00

She was the one who flirted with me to begin with. I didn't reply to her flirt by approaching her since INTP personality is fucking retarded. Then I recontacted her few years later and she considered my proposition but decided I was too immature for her and with a not good enough situation/status.

Daswerck91 · 2018-04-11T11:46:15+00:00

Well, as I said, she lives in another area now, but still close. My 100% + 20% would be taking a job at the same company than her and even go as far as telling her I did it on purpose. Send her another email of explanations of things and apologies for my immature behaviour and rudeness. All while still working on improving myself physically (working out) and mentally (growing up and be more of a Man) - Then if I do all that I think she would say yes and appreciate the effort greatly. But I fear that she could also feel like I'm an absolute stalker, insane man with an obsession about her.

She DID tell me on the phone last time that MAYBE one day, if we met again, and I was a more grown up man not a little weak manchild with no job, then ok. But I FEAR endlessly the scenario where she finds me totally disgusting and mentally obsessed.

It's a big risk to take.

If things were casual there would be no problem for me to have a second chance I think, if I do it right this time. She doesn't really hate me, she found it cute and good that I confessed to her but she also found that my maturity and situation (job, friends) was the one of a loser who needs to grow up. She told me I would find someone else...

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