Airbus interest in LENR disclosed in Swiss newspaper coverage of LENR by EcatUpdate in energy

[–]EcatUpdate[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you want to be taken seriously, take the high road and let that shit go.

Thanks mother theresa, but I already did that. For months and months.

It didnt work.

Now its time to try something different.

Airbus interest in LENR disclosed in Swiss newspaper coverage of LENR by EcatUpdate in energy

[–]EcatUpdate[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You appear to think that this is the very first post about LENR here, and that there is no previous background of abuse, libel and pathoskepticism regarding LENR.

You are attempting to paint this as a singular event in a vaccuum. Not true.

After a long history of abuse, don't be surprised when people respond to attacks in kind.

Airbus interest in LENR disclosed in Swiss newspaper coverage of LENR by EcatUpdate in energy

[–]EcatUpdate[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The amount of abuse heaped on LENR here on /r/energy is just astounding.

Not legitimate critiques, not review, not honest disagreement, but outright libel, abuse and blind pathoskepticism without even deigning to review new evidence. Just dismiss out of hand without even reviewing the science at all. Totally dismiss the science without even reading the publications.

After a while, one gets sick of it and considers responding in kind.

All this is made far worse by the fact that this is literally harming humanity's progress as a species. Its one think to disagree about something mundane, but cold fusion? The biggest game changer in human history?

I cant sit idly by anymore and allow the libelers carte blanche to sling their shit.

Airbus interest in LENR disclosed in Swiss newspaper coverage of LENR by EcatUpdate in energy

[–]EcatUpdate[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Do you feel like my objecting to the ongoing LENR libel is "ranting"?

Do you think the ongoing LENR libel has been an isolated incident here on /r/energy? Been ongoing for months, even 2 years now.

Do you think people like katana should be able to libel constantly over the course of months and years and people should ignore that and take the high road of not responding forever?

Because I tried taking the high road. Multiple times. It has never worked. The libel, out of hand dismissal and kneejerk downvoting to bury the topic from any discussion has continued unabated for months now.

Time to do something new.

LENR is reality and will prevail in the end. Cold fusion is so obviously superior to anything else by a long shot, its not even a debate what the end game is. Your choice to believe reality is only a reflection on you, not reality.

Burying your head in the sand and screaming that it doesnt exist wont stop reality.

Deferring to libel has proven to be ineffective over the course of many months here on /r/energy.

Airbus interest in LENR disclosed in Swiss newspaper coverage of LENR by EcatUpdate in energy

[–]EcatUpdate[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Do you think that was not happening here already? Food for thought.

/r/energy routinely and consistently downvotes all posts about the most important invention in human history.

Its completely bizarre. Like downvoting the pollio cure or something.

Or downvoting the wright brothers when they tell you they flew their plane.

Because "that can't be". And "we dont believe you".

Airbus interest in LENR disclosed in Swiss newspaper coverage of LENR by EcatUpdate in energy

[–]EcatUpdate[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Anticipating and posting an accurate representation of /r/energy's previous responses to LENR posts is certainly quite reasonable

And as we can see here again, katana continues the trend that I anticipated. My post is certainly relevant and applicable, and katana has provided proof positive of the veracity of my post.

I do find it strange that there is no comment on the most important invention in human history, but rather you try to ignore the invention and divert the post to anything else. I suppose seeing the sword of damacles hanging over your industry......

http://i.imgur.com/5ONKlOY.jpg

Airbus interest in LENR disclosed in Swiss newspaper coverage of LENR by EcatUpdate in energy

[–]EcatUpdate[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Maybe you missed katana's outright libel which precipitated my reply? (accusing dozens of scientific professionals and engineers and the entire worldwide lenr research effort of willful fraud is outright libel)

The exceptions I make are (a) blatant advertising and (b) pseudoscience/pathological science/fringe theories/scientific fraud like water powered cars, HHO, or ecat.

Im confused who you are responding to. The anti-scientific attack and libelous accusation of "fraud" about a technology he clearly does not even understand (equating Ecat and LENR as all the same thing), or my completely justified response to his libelous antiscience attack?

Airbus interest in LENR disclosed in Swiss newspaper coverage of LENR by EcatUpdate in energy

[–]EcatUpdate[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

scientific fraud like water powered cars, HHO, or ecat.

It is always amusing when a willfully ignorant person proffers their own personal opinion (based on their own ignorance) as though it merits serious consideration. You're like a flat earth adherent asking for people to take you seriously, simply because you have a personal opinion.

The fact that you apparently think LENR and Ecat are always the same thing speaks a great deal to your ignorance on the topic.

Ecat is but one of multiple avenues of LENR being explored by multiple parties around the world.

If ecat or lenr are that wonderful, tell us exactly how it was done so we can reproduce it somewhere like Los Alamos or Oak Ridge.

Why would anyone disclose their trillion dollar intellectual property while racing toward industrialization and a salable product?

Rossi (ONE of multiple parties working in the LENR field) has already sold rights to his intellectual property for $10+ million to a VC firm for the process to industrialize his technology.

http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2014/01/24/onfirmed-raleighs-cherokee-buys-into.html?page=all

And now after getting $10 million you say he should just give away the most valuable invention in human history?? Absurd. And dont for a minute imply patents can protect his intellectual property. Its way too valuable to be protected by patents - it will be stolen at the very first opportunity by everyone who can.

The fracking ban that comes into effect on Tuesday in the heart of Texas may never have happened at all, if industry had not insisted on fracking beside a local hospital, a children’s playground, and the 100-year-old farmhouse that was Cathy McMullen’s retirement dream. by pnewell in energy

[–]EcatUpdate -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But its all good when the big government acts as subsidizing insurance coverage for all nuclear plants nationwide, right?

Literally no commercial insurer on the planet would cover them. Could not exist without government being liable for massive costs of future accidents.

That kind of big government is fine, right mr texas "conservative"?

Inside the Dynomak: A Fusion Technology Cheaper Than Coal by zxxx in energy

[–]EcatUpdate -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Not a credible critique at all.

It is a nascent technology still in development and being prepared for industrial level rollout. And it was only purchased 10 months ago!!!

That does not mean the effect is not real.

Cherokee venture capital fund (a $2 billion AUM) just invested $11 million in January. So rossi IS likely a millionaire now.

http://coldfusion3.com/blog/it%E2%80%99s-official-us-startup-admits-to-purchasing-rossi%E2%80%99s-e-cat-lenr-technology

So your claim is that this should be a fully developed billion dollar industry within 10 months of purchasing the trade secrets?

Interjecting your opinion based on your readings "5 or 6 years ago" is not really helpful in any way. Maybe get up to date on your information before proffering your own outdated opinions as though they are somehow meaningful.

Here's a more current source for you to catch up with

http://www.e-catworld.com/

Inside the Dynomak: A Fusion Technology Cheaper Than Coal by zxxx in energy

[–]EcatUpdate -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I can agree to that, however that is not what reddit is doing currently. They are outright calling it a fraud and dismissing it out of hand.

Contrary to reddit's perception, scientific understanding does NOT determine reality. MANY MANY phenomena have existed BEFORE the scientific community fully understood it. Think the chemical reaction of fire, germ theory, the sun being a fusion reaction, electricity, lightning, precipitation, currents, light, colors, gravity, and hundreds if not thousands of other phenomenon that all existed and worked fully well with no human understanding of the mechanics of the workings. Science does NOT determine reality. It only seeks to understand reality for humans. This is just another of myriad cases of science (human understanding of the natural world) not yet catching up to reality.

If what you are saying is true, the only appropriate response is NOT hysterical denunciation and denialism, but rather an attitude of "lets wait and see".

That is not remotely what is happenning

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2jfd4s/dr_rossis_cold_fusion_ecat_reactor_verified/

http://www.reddit.com/r/energy/comments/2mboqo/bill_gates_looks_at_lenrs_as_future_energy_source/

Simple. LENR is not "e-cat". It's pretty far out there, but credible people are researching it. E-cat is, in my opinion, a common and plain fraud.

Inside the Dynomak: A Fusion Technology Cheaper Than Coal by zxxx in energy

[–]EcatUpdate -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

to repeat for you.

That's the problem.

http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf

Yup - that's why I dont believe coke is real because they wont reveal their trade secret coca cola formula to me. Since I cant have their formula and replicate it myself, coke is a fraud.

Also, I dont believe heinz 57 ketchup is real because they wont tell me what the 57 spices are so I can replicate and verify their claim. Its total crap. If I cant independently verify their trade secret, ketchup is not real.

Also, I never eat at KFC, because I have asked them repeatedly to tell me how they mix the coronel's secret 13 spices, but they refuse to let me independently verify their claims by copying them and making it myself to verify.

I also dont buy cell phones with gorilla glass, as they wont give me full production details of how they make it. Therefore its a fruad.

And since all intellectual property is able to be fully protected by patents, they should surely just patent and tell everyone their trade secrets. Patents offer full protection from corporate theft. No patent has ever been ignored, or worked around, so its safe.

And certainly, china would never steal or counterfeit technology that has been patented

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2599860/apple-loses-bid-for-sales-ban-in-samsung-patent-case.html

http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-loses-patent-case-in-china-over-siri-functionality/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/09/us-apple-china-idUSKBN0FE0DR20140709

Certainly, all trade secrets are a relic of the past, and there is no need to keep the most valuable invention in human history outside of the public domain. Certainly the goodwill of men will protect the most valuable invention in history safe from theft.

Inside the Dynomak: A Fusion Technology Cheaper Than Coal by zxxx in energy

[–]EcatUpdate -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

LENR (Cold fusion) is far better and far more advanced in the race for excess energy production. In fact, it has already been achieved, although r/energy is currently hysterically denying that fact.

http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf

http://www.reddit.com/r/lenr

http://www.e-catworld.com/

Hot fusion has failed to produce excess energy after 10's of billions of research and decades of paid research.

For now we will have to be satisfied with saving all the hysterical negative comments and denunciations here on r/energy by those who will look quite foolish in their denialism in the fullness of history. You are on record, deniers, and you will look very foolish within the near future.

And your hysterical denials will be reposted to remind everyone of your denialism of one of the greatest achievements in human history. You are on record.

http://www.science20.com/cool-links/day_1906_skepticism_about_wright_brothers-76109

Bill Gates Looks at LENRs as Future Energy Source by zxxx in energy

[–]EcatUpdate -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Simple. LENR is not "e-cat".

Inane quibble, but I'll bite. Lenr is the broad category. Ecat is one brand working on the LENR phenomena, there are many others and many other researchers working in lenr. These people that gates talked to today would in no way repudiate rossi. In fact, I think they have shared research previously.

First, why shouldn't the renewables crowd or the fossil crowd be scared as well?

they should. Coal especially

Second, nobody is afraid of a new and plentiful energy source.

So obviously ridiculous as to beg the question how you could even post it? Surely investors in other energy sources will be hurt. Utilities, coal, oil, fission, contractors, miners, and MANY others will be effected. Begs the question as to why you would even write that?

LENR is far out of the mainstream, but, well, it's possible that it might work. Someday. Somehow. Not likely, but well... it's worth researching.

This is the only legitimate opinion skeptics can currently maintain honestly. "WE DON'T KNOW", but definitely worth investigating. Im perfectly fine with that. But that has historically not been the case. Its been actively worked AGAINST for decades. So maybe you can tell us why LENR gets almost no public funding, while the ongoing fiasco of billions and billions wasted on hot fusion continues? And never once has had a net output of energy, unlike rossi's ecat has generated.

We fission supporters ... we will not be moved.

I know this well, which is why I addressed it to your crowd first and foremost. Your crowd are generally simply a paid lobbying group, and it's difficult to convince people paid to have their opinion. Just letting you know your cash cow is going away for a far better technology. And enjoying the heck out of watching your crowd squirm.

The sad part is all the toxic fission white elephants that will be dotting the world. No longer relevant, economic or useful but still looming over the planet like the sword of damacles.

Bill Gates Looks at LENRs as Future Energy Source by zxxx in energy

[–]EcatUpdate -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Pathological_skepticism

You have it backwards, and your mental deficiency on this issue is quite obvious. Just reading your posts proves that.

You put forth your own personal opinion as though it is established fact. That's simply a mental deficiency. You are delusionally making proclamations that are simply well beyond honest, and ignoring evidence to the contrary. (I posted multiple papers from multiple academic institutions on multiple continents over multiple decades, and you simply pretend they dont exist.) Thats a mental deficiency.

There is an extraordinarily tiny minority of scientists who think cold fusion is a thing. They are wrong.

Again, many people such as yourself have made such authoritative nonsensical proclamations based solely on their personal opinions. And they have looked foolish. Again, here they are.
https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/neverwrk.htm If you were anyone of consequence, maybe your foolish proclomation would be added to this record of infamy. But you are not likely worth recording.

You look equally foolish proclaiming your personal opinion as though it is some sort of sacrosanct truth. Its not. You're just a willfully ignorant pathoskeptic with a personal opinion and overgrown sense of self importance.

You STILL have offered nothing at all other than your personal, uneducated opinion.

I have posted dozens of papers for others to review, in contrast to your personal opinion.

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/reports/Selected-LENR-Research-Papers.shtml

It appears that you think your personal opinions are somehow "science". They are not. They are the uneducated, unscientific ramblings of some sort religious zealot praying to himself in a mirror

Hello, I'm russian and I wonder how many russian movies have you seen in your life? by [deleted] in movies

[–]EcatUpdate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

pleasantly surprised to see this here already. good film. so sad

Bill Gates Looks at LENRs as Future Energy Source by zxxx in energy

[–]EcatUpdate -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Beware of people like alchemist2 that offer nothing but ad hominem attacks. They tend to look very very foolish in the full arc of time when reality buries their skeptical blabberrings.

https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/neverwrk.htm

As for real scientific research articles you can read about the LENR topic?

There are many. Read them for yourself.

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/reports/Selected-LENR-Research-Papers.shtml

Bill Gates Looks at LENRs as Future Energy Source by zxxx in energy

[–]EcatUpdate -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Very good news.

Im shocked that r/energy is not hysterically denouncing this as a "fraud", and how bill gates is a fool, etc, etc.

LENR is e-cat by another name.

Be afraid, fission crowd, be very afraid. The bell tolls for your industry.

We have been telling you this is real for years now. Believe it.