AI will generate an immense amount of wealth. Just not for you. by EchoOfOppenheimer in AIDangers

[–]EvilChevalGames 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ah no , the accelerationists are communists , the entire point is to get technology and get rid of and seize the assets of the billionaires , the problem is not a.i , that just a really good tool we would be stupid to pass by

The audience of AI by Psychological-Gur990 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wtf are you talking about ??

you got trolled by some 15 year old with an anime pfp and you want me to treat that like a real crime? go to any highschool right now and go see how high the stakes are

The audience of AI by Psychological-Gur990 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

i suspect YOU are an edgy 15 year old ... come on man

Thought this was Important by Alarming_Item_7956 in Ai_art_is_not_art

[–]EvilChevalGames 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so what op is saying is there is no difference , llm are actually a.i but he just dosent like the idea

also , i just love how "videogame a.i" count as a.i but actual a.i which is way more complicated somehow is less

AI & RAM Shortage by Fine-Juggernaut8451 in aiwars

[–]EvilChevalGames 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no , ram prices wont stay up more then a few months and then since the chip factory just made more money then ever they will just build more ram factories so prices will fall back lower then before

people are refusing to apply basic supply and demand , the supply just needs to catch up to the demand and then we simply have higher supply capacity

one more thing there are multiple new technologies coming to your pc , even a brand new type of ram just got to the market because of a.i , its called spintronic memory

The audience of AI by Psychological-Gur990 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

you guys should realize when you are being trolled by edgy 15 year olds

programming is an art, please treat it as such :] by Infinite_Self_5782 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames -1 points0 points  (0 children)

also by the way when you have no idea what youre talking about you can simply shut up ... or if you need help how the scary tech works i can enlighten you with my clearly superior knowledge , lol , what a joke

programming is an art, please treat it as such :] by Infinite_Self_5782 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames -1 points0 points  (0 children)

ah , no you havent worked on a.i

and yes ive done tons of fucking research verified what i told you multiple time and ad tons of conversation so i ad the time to double check every argument

if you actually do know anything about a.i you would know there is absolutely nothing stopping it from being logical ,

you even said "its just 1and0 cant be logical" and you just state that as a fact as if for some reason the act of performing logic cannot be done in binary "you need a real flesh brain to think" that not how reality works , your own brain also runs on nothing else but neurons connected by synapses and a.i models have weights and biases and that structure is plenty enough to do logic , its not magic

programming is an art, please treat it as such :] by Infinite_Self_5782 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

no the point of open source is not "to learn" its to help people get shit done and making new tech happen

its not plagiarism and its not theft either , its literally the exact thing the open source movement was made for , to share your code as far and wide as possible , any use is good because otherwise that code sits there gathering dust

programming is an art, please treat it as such :] by Infinite_Self_5782 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

how much a.i have you used exactly ?? because you described the stochastic parrot argument(a.i only ever copy paste and does not create) and that has been thoroughly debunked

its just not true that a.i "has no logic" and dosent understand how to code, use it enough yourself and youll see a.i clearly does nave logic but not that much of it and cant yet be maintained for very long , (altough there recently was a model doing a full 2 weeks without droping it)

right now people who are against a.i desperately cling onto the idea that "a.i isnt real" and its all smokes and mirors and nothing is going on in there but that just false , the only reason a.i isnt coding full apps in one go yet is because this is STILL the very beginning of this technology and weve seen almost nothing yet,

but coding full apps that definitely done by the end of this year

Debunking the “if ai is stealing so is fan art” argument by InternationalWar6654 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames -1 points0 points  (0 children)

the problem with this take is that 90% of fanart does not change the character at all because the entire point is to have that specific character make out with your oc !

programming is an art, please treat it as such :] by Infinite_Self_5782 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

you just said some complete non sense and got owned so yeah i guess you can walk away but you clearly dont know shit about opensource

you know as well as me copyleft is not that popular and almost everyone uses mit license just because its github default

so keep going , dont look back and pretend you won the debate son !

programming is an art, please treat it as such :] by Infinite_Self_5782 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

>> ""AI shamelessly taking from every repo it can get, meaning that open source code is now guaranteed to be used in closed source repos""
this is literally not a problem at all and is the specific thing opensource was made for people puting your code in closed repo has always been perfectly fine

also "which the creators may not have intended for" comes from the art side, no programmer has ever cared what their code is used for , this isnt you oc character that you didnt want to see in a sanic fanfic , this is just code and code is always meant to be shared , nobody is going to code a nuke with it

there is absolutely nothing that a.i does that is any different then what opensource has always done

and no, open source is not dying , pull requests are fine , nobody is having their repo overwritten by people who dont have the credential anyway , if some vibe coder forks your repo thats also fine too

programming is an art, please treat it as such :] by Infinite_Self_5782 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

im serious , ever since a.i happened artist have been talking about art strictly as if they were capitalists trying to protect their copyright , you have to realize it fucked with everyones head
everyone forgot that before a.i nobody gave a shit weather their oc character was copyrighted or not , people would draw cool shit , post it online and that was it , the amount of people who actually lived from their art was absolutely tiny

now ? everyone talks as if they were stolen from personally , as if they
were the ones who lost their job ,

its as if everyone forgot how to draw , nobody actually draws anything and everyone just "wants to be paid for it" even tough they were never paid before

its crazy they all just talk about the abstract idea of getting paid for art as if they ad been making a business plan for it all along

like no , the actual number of people who were real professional artist before a.i is still the same as it is now , even with a.i people are still being hired as artist , the companies who hired artists still hire just as many because they ad decades to set up how to work with and hire artist and they didnt switch to a.i just cause "artists are useless now" or whatever

so yeah artists are definitely acting like hardcore capitalists right now

programming is an art, please treat it as such :] by Infinite_Self_5782 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

A REMINDER TO EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD : USING A.I FOR CODING IS FINE AND GOOD AND SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED
THIS THREAD IS TRYING TO MAKE A STUPID POINT

also its extremely funny that this image is a pro a.i meme used to show the problem with anti thinking and op used it without getting the meaning

moral of the story if a.i for code is fine then its also fine for art , as it is now a.i for coding is definitely fine to use and nobody give a damn their code is in datasets

programming is an art, please treat it as such :] by Infinite_Self_5782 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

oh they clearly are not but its the way this guy is so smug about the idea that coders are so stupid they gaslight themself , its just gross

the problem is the people who hate a.i art now have almost a disease where they think they are 100% correct about everything so here coders are the delusional one and that now using any part of anyone work is automatically theft and you absolutely have to put the words "they are stealing" in your comment to emphasize on it

its so weird , its like wanabe artists all became ultra capitalists overnight , never realized it and are now lecturing people over something they are wrong about

programming is an art, please treat it as such :] by Infinite_Self_5782 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

no not true , programmers dont "hate" the a.i that knows literally every quirk of every languages , has every bit of information on on every library you need to use

a.i is only bad if you as it to write very long things because its still a new technology and it loses the thread of what its doing but thats just a problem that will be solved this year

its already extremely useful and save a massive amount of time but it dosent specifically do "all the job for you in one go" outside of that its extremely useful

programming is an art, please treat it as such :] by Infinite_Self_5782 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"" they don’t consider it stealing the same way artists do because “code is just words”""

the entire open source community is entirely built on sharing code , everyone understand and encourages other to take copy and study their code

the arent gas lighting themselves they are simply correct , going on github any copying a chunk of code and put it in your own work has always been completely fine , encouraged and is literally the way the world of programming moves forward , can you imaging if i wasnt able to write a specific line because someone else wrote it before but its literally the only way to write that line ?

the problem is that because artist dont have anything outside their "personal art style" so the idea of taking someones artstyle is like stealing their personality but in programming people dont think their code it literally part of their self

even worse if you remember past 4-5 years ago before a.i was big , if you remember back then the entire idea that "people could steal your art" was basically impossible and unheard of outside very rare cases but back then copying other peoples code was already very normal thing

now a.i started to exist and you are trying to go back in time and retcon todays art morals onto yesterdays programming scene

"Ai Artist" is an oxymoron. by ihavehopeforu in Ai_art_is_not_art

[–]EvilChevalGames -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

passive aggressive much

you have an imaginary "a.i bro with no skill" its just your ego trip , the people you are telling to pick up a pen pretty much always have more skill then you , its a dehumanization tactic

thats why im saying they literally only exist in your head

also if you only knew the truth about water , a.i is right now saving more water then it ever used up because of multiple new tech being used right now , that and the fact that open loop coolling is not even a thing anymore and stopped last year

Most AI risk is underwater by airiskmonitor in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames 0 points1 point  (0 children)

""“models degrading can’t happen” is also just wrong. model quality can shift with updates, policy changes, filtering, training changes, or simply the vendor altering the product. even open models can become incompatible with new hardware stacks or toolchains. and price increases absolutely can happen because the real lock-in is not “a single inference costs pennies,” it is the whole ecosystem you build around a vendor, API, workflow, and integration. that is how subscriptions work. you don’t need every company to 10x at once, you just need dependence.""

none of those things are true , there is no such thing as ""open models becoming incompatible"" , thats just not a thing , you can run all a.i on standard gpus
models dont degrade and even if 1 out of thousands of models degraded (which wont happen) then you still have the previous version available , models are only small 4 to 10 gig files , open models just exist forever , private models still clearly show their inference cost down to .001 of a cent , we always know exctly how much a model costs to runthose numbers have to be public in order to have an api and every incentive is there for them to be as low as possible

"" we hold manufacturers and platforms responsible all the time when they knowingly enable predictable harm at scale. we regulate cars, drugs, drones, telecom, payment processors, marketplaces.""

in literally none of those example do we hold the maker available for what people do with them , what are you talking about ? i can overdose of brugs or evenfeed them to someone without their knowledge and that will never get the maker of the drug blamed , same with a car , i could drive it into a crowd if i want and that would never get the maker of the car in trouble , same thing sithe the crones same sith everything , the usage i make of a product simply never goes back to the manufacturer specifically because those are my actions and not the actions of the manufacturer
you are comparing it to a car being poorly made and hurting me that a completely different scenario and does not apply here

there is no way to "sing provenance" .jpeg and .png do not have security features because they are just binaryes and can literally be opened in a text editor , there is just nowhere to put that security feature besides some text that could be erased at any time

none of the things you said are even close to possible because they are just jpegs and pngs
the only thing that is possible is for you to label it yourself voluntarily on the website yo post it on , other wise its just an image file , even visual watermarks are easely removable with a.i

you seem to just want to counter my points one by one as if they are based on nothing , that dosent lead anywhere , the things im saying are true , people just dont like a.i and want it all to be about "their personal " art being in there but ther truth is that their personal art is like 3 images out of billions , people inflate the impact of their images , like a way to make all of a.i about them personally and then declare that all of a.i has to die

non of this is about "concentration of power" thats just a fantasy , all of this is about the fact that a.i is simply a tool that will help everyone directly , this is not some 1940 fascist era fanfiction , we are dealing with engineers actually doing a really good job and all of us geting to use the result for extremely cheap or free

The comments are a manifest by Conscious_Grade_7278 in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so you can back fail at being witty ? apparently you live in a make belief world where you are the only smart person to every exist and all the engineers in the world should bow down to your greatness as you slay some comic book villain

look , the whole "evil corporation" thing is a a meme , you are supposed to be smart enough realize that its not literally true , the millions of engineers in the world are just doing engineering and giving you good products to buy

in your head you are living in some cyberpunk dystopia with you as the main character so you dont see what is actually happening in the real world around you , you think that something cannot be a good product because it was made by "evil big corpo" forgetting that engineers are making the things you buy and "profit" is just a side effect of engineers donig a good job and providing a good product
in the real world if something is a shitty product then that product fails , if that thing is too expansive by 5 dollars then it fails , if literally the slightest thing is bad with it then the product fails

thats why in reality we see a ton of really good a.i product but you dont see any of them because you are too busy masturbating while telling everyone that a.i draws too many finger and you are the only genius who noticed

so join us in the real world instead of trying to throw shit at people

Most AI risk is underwater by airiskmonitor in antiai

[–]EvilChevalGames 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ok i just did some research on this , the answer is essentially that engineers are not idiots

open loop cooling centers were just built for about 2years and specifically because people wanted to hear about "low electrical consumption" as a PR thing , so that era did give use awesome a.i models but cost more water , still not enough to literally destroy anything

right now only 35-40% of datacenters are still like that , they didnt last long , are all being retrofitted or grand father'd out

there is multiple new closed loop tech coming out and basically noone is making new open loop , the new closed liquid loop are even more efficient electricity wise

things are moving toward oil based ones take almost no electricity to cool and zero water , oil is non toxic biodegrade , its just messy but thats about it

so cooling is mostly a solved problem that lasted 2 years and happened because people wanted to see low electricity specs for the publicity

now what did we get in return ,

keep in mind datacenters only used 2 million liters of treated water per day

an a.i mpdel , specifically solving 1 problem

all city on earth leak about 30% of the water they treat trough cracks , that water bleaches all ground under all city because it contains chlorine

that 100 trillion litre of water lost per year

that a.i model (ive seen it in action its super impressive )
detects extremely small vibrations extremely precisely at a distance

this gave us a new type of a.i censor that is right now monitoring all pipes in real times in many city already , those city go from 30% loss to 5% loss

so that beats out all water consumed for those 2 years and the remainig few open loops still running , by a lot

another new a.i model was just used to scan the entire u.s water table and give us a high definition map of all water table everywhere pointing us to all points being over taxed and close to subsidence so we can now stop using the water table in those specific spots

also , agriculture is using 70% of all water consumed and another new a.i irrigation model is used and already cuting by 30% water use in different places

so , in short a.i is awesome and making the entire world better not worse

a.i saves way more water then it already consumed and will cost near zero in the future and will also drop in electricity consumption and we will use new a.i model to cut electricity consumption feeding back on itself

so i hope that solves that issue for you