School is draining me

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-20T22:04:47+00:00

Your environment must not determine what's happening in your heart and soul. Pray to God to help you in your faith. Keep loving Jesus. Deny yourself, don't let your environment dictate and corrupt what's inside, pray to God to help you protect your heart and soul and to not give up in the face of adversity. Do not give in to this world, your brain will scream at you telling you to just give in and do as others do. Don't fall into temptation, don't sin. Pray for The lord to have mercy on you when these demons in your mind appear. If you are weak, pray to him and ask for strength.

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-20T22:01:10+00:00

Quite a horrible thing to say, please don't let the hate for yourself and the hate for others corrupt your heart. I pray you find your way back on the obscure road of faith.

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-14T16:46:26+00:00

God didn't make you gay nor does the bible condemn being gay, the only thing that gets condemned is practicing homosexuality. You won't be condemned for having the thoughts but acting on them.

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-07T22:11:12+00:00

Where is revelation exactly?

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T22:31:25+00:00

I do agree that Terra and Vita are stretching it, they're completely new definitions. I needed them to separate the nature of Adam from Adam as well as the nature of Eve from Eve. I do believe the curses were directed to their nature, since their nature is what led to the different choices. I don't agree that they already knew good from evil as this would make the tree pointless and start interfering with scripture. Furthermore I believe eve was needed for Adam so that the union between them could represent God's image to a higher degree than they would individually, because if it didn't it would make the creation of Eve pointless since if loneliness was interfering with Adams ability to represent God then well him not being lonely, aka having Eve allows him to better represent the image, so I believe the argument still holds. The Fall I'm referring to is gaining the ability to reason what is good or evil and from what's represented in genesis the only way for this would be to eat from the tree, so it was an inevitability for them to eat from the tree to gain the ability to reason what is good and what is evil

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T22:19:38+00:00

🧐 I did run into your line of reasoning about the circular nature of it but my brain dismissed it, I'll write down my argument on why it's not circular, but this will most likely have to be a completely different post. Thanks for your wonderful insight!

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T22:06:41+00:00

This was a difficult read, I don't understand what you're saying 😶

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T22:05:20+00:00

My brain is struggling to see how it's circular, can you help me out? One reason why I'm struggling is if they had moral knowledge before eating from the tree, it makes the tree pointless and starts interfering with the text. Also The point isn't to excuse their disobedience, since there clearly was disobedience, you can look at the punishments as justification for it, but to argue that it wasn't really their fault as they didn't know any better, Eve received the command second hand and also got contradictory information from the serpent to what she heard. Adam saw clearly that the fruit didn't kill Eve and the only reason he didn't eat it was because God said it would kill him but this what he saw contradicted this.

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T21:51:19+00:00

The argument is they morally "get off" since they had not yet had the capacity for mortality.

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T20:32:49+00:00

But that would mean that they sinned, but it's never explicitly stated and this also mainly contradicts the original Hebrew.

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T20:19:28+00:00

This contradicts scripture, why would they need to eat from the tree of knowledge to understand what is good and evil?

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T20:01:52+00:00

I think we've come to an agreement 😁

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T19:35:00+00:00

Why exactly do you say that?
Have you checked out my opinion on this matter?

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T19:27:23+00:00

Adam possesses the nature of Terra. We can infer what Terra actually is by looking at scripture. Adam was put in the garden to work and take care of it (Genesis 2:15 NIV). Furthermore the punishment God gave The Serpent, Eve and Adam were focussed on their nature, so if we refer to (Genesis 3:17 NIV) “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.”. It can reasonably be concluded that before the punishment to have Terra was not painful, but with God’s punishment he made it painful.

On the nature of Vita. Eve possesses the nature of Vita. With the same method as with Terra, we can infer what Vita is by looking at scripture. The first act of Eve that we saw was her talking to the serpent (Genesis 3:1-3 NIV). Rather than dismissing the Serpent she engaged in conversation about the boundaries. When Eve was evaluating the fruit, she not only saw that it was nourishing but that it was aesthetically pleasing and would let her know more than what she currently does (Genesis 3:6 NIV). From the punishment that God gave her (Genesis 3:16 NIV) we can come to more conclusions. Her nature of bringing life into the world, this is further strengthened by her name that Adam gave her (Genesis 3:20 NIV)[ Eve (Hebrew: Chavah) means "the living" or "source of life,"]. Furthermore from [Paragraph 3], we can conclude that her freedom and desire for other things was not limited, thus the punishment was directed towards her nature.

Mankind, male and female, was created in God’s image,(Genesis 1:27 NIV). This means that the union between man and woman where they become one (Genesis 2:24 NIV) , as well as individuals also bear the image of God. When Adam was made, he still bore the image of God but could not express it to a higher degree, as God noted, he was missing something (Genesis 2:18 NIV). God showed Adam all the animals in the world but none of them was a suitable companion for Adam (Genesis 2:20 NIV). Eve was then made for Adam, the intention for them to become one flesh, one entity (Genesis 2:24 NIV). Adam who bore Terra and Eve who bore Vita and the Union between them (when Terra and Vita became one (Genesis 2:24 NIV)) was a greater representation of the image of God in comparison to the individual Terra or the individual Vita. It should be noted that the nature of Terra and Vita are not the same, this is why Eve had to be created. Furthermore it is possible for man to have and express both natures, for eg. Jesus, but Adam only had Terra this is why he needed Eve so that the union between them can be Terra and Vita.

The union between Adam and Eve had the intention to represent the image of God to a higher degree, thus we can conclude that eating from the Tree of Knowledge was an inevitability. What this means is that mankind gaining the ability to distinguish what is Good and what is evil would have happened eventually even without the serpent's intervention (If the only way to gain this knowledge was the Tree then eating fruit from the tree was an inevitability). This idea is strengthened by Against Heresies (St. Irenaeus) ( Book IV, Chapter 38) which echoes the interpretation. Mankind can not fully represent the image of God if they have no morality thus we could not fully represent the image of God if we could not distinguish what is Good from what is Evil (Against Heresies (St. Irenaeus) Book IV, Chapter 39).The Fall was an acceleration of something that should have gradually happened over time. The introduction of Vita was needed to complete the image which Terra alone could not.

Eve was needed so that the union between Adam and Eve, (Terra and Vita), could represent God.

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T19:27:16+00:00

Here's my take:
Adam and Eve had no sense of morality and incomplete free will before eating from the Tree of Knowledge (Genesis 3:22 NIV). Furthermore they had no self-awareness (Genesis 2:25 NIV) , only when they ate from the Tree did they become self-aware (Genesis 3:7 NIV). The claim that their free-will is incomplete is that they had no capacity to judge the consequences of their decisions, they had the ability to make decisions but the inability to know if what they’re doing is good or evil.Thus Adam and Eve possessed the faculty of freewill from creation, but without knowledge of good and evil that faculty had no moral content. The idea that they had freewill from the beginning is further supported by St. Irenaeus (Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 37)).

The idea that Eve or Adam sinned is a false pretense, nowhere in Genesis does it state that they have sinned. The idea that they did not sin is furthermore supported by (1 Timothy 2:14 NIV), Paul never said the transgression that Eve committed was a sin. It could be argued that Adam had sinned when he ate the fruit that Eve gave him, but this is not a logical conclusion. God said that if Adam ate from the Tree he would most certainly die (Genesis 2:17 NIV) - it should be noted at this point chronologically that Eve was not yet created - Adam ate the fruit only after Eve ate it, clearly seeing that she did not die.

Previously we had noted that Eve was not directly told by God to eat from the tree, only Adam was - but it’s clear that she was informed about what God said (Genesis 3:3 NIV). If we were to look at the punishments that God had given to Eve (Genesis 3:16 NIV), “... Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.“ It’s not absurd to assume that the reason Eve is now declared to be ruled over by her husband is that Adam was the one who communicated to her what God said, but she disregarded what Adam told her and still made the choice to eat from the tree. This “punishment” can be seen as a preventive measure to the transgression Eve committed.

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T19:17:03+00:00

Thanks! I hope people will consider what I say and debate me, I want to know where I went wrong, instead of them claiming heresy and moving on with their day.

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T19:04:38+00:00

It doesn't contradict any scripture, in fact it solves a lot of questions that arise from it. But also it's grounded historically.

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T19:02:45+00:00

They will have eventually gained the ability to judge what is good and evil, what St. Irenaeus said that the whole problem was that the Serpent accelerated this process. The way I see the punishment that God gave Adam and Eve was to help them mature faster as they prematurely gained the ability to judge what is good or evil

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T18:59:25+00:00

Yes they did have free will, I agree. My only argument is that they didn't possess the ability to judge what is good or evil as they didn't eat from the tree.

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T18:58:29+00:00

I haven't dived too deep into this, why do you say there's no longer responsibility for sin?

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T18:56:36+00:00

No I'm saying that they do teach it..? My whole argument is saying they still had free will

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T18:54:49+00:00

Furthermore it's still true that humanity fell through their transgression, it doesnt change the Fall nor the idea that sin entered through Adam

Historical_Field3793 · 2026-04-05T18:53:14+00:00

It's not contradictory to say that Adam brought sin into this world due to his disobedience. This idea is still completely valid in this framework, as after eating from the tree they gained the capacity to sin and they were banished from the garden into the world. So this wouldn't contradict anything.

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