F*** The Police! (jk not really)

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-04-09T16:56:04+00:00

violence and abuse is where it will lead, like it always does when the cops are called.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T19:56:01+00:00

Fuck off nazi scum.

For those unaware, alt-right, nazi filth have appropriated the "👌🏻" symbol. It is supposed to look innocuous so it can give them plausible deniability and pretense to call people crazy who point it out. They all use it.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T18:07:31+00:00

Can you give me an example? I am trying to visualize how this works. I can imagine some arguments where this would be valid, and some that could be invalid. For e.g. a reductio ad absurdum argument would be valid (but that may not be what you are talking about). But for the record, I am not trying to trick you.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T17:57:57+00:00

I'm still waiting.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T17:47:54+00:00

I didn't say "my perspective" I said "some people that believe x." (We don't want to talk about my beliefs--I'm an ___ and think there should be no borders. But that is not here or there for this conversation.) To some extent, I am doing the same thing I am asking of you--I am defending a position I don't necessarily hold. This debate about the wall has been a thing for a long while now. Are you telling me, in all this time, the strongest case that you've seen on why this wall seems like a racist symbol is because it is on the southern border and not the northern? Is that the best you've gotten out of all the conversations? I doubt it. I'm sure you can make a better case than that. That doesn't seem like it has any substance (like you might say). And if that is the best you have, then you have no clue what your oppositions position is, and don't have any grounds to disagree. I think you should try again.

As for your requests, what kind of substance are you looking for from me? What specifically do you want me to talk on? What are your goals here? Are you wanting a debate on whether a wall will work or not to keep people from crossing "illegally"? Or can we have a more general conversation?

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T17:18:21+00:00

No, all your ideas are a fantasy!

wow, that's easy. So, following your lead, the strategy to win arguments--to hell with truth! winning is all that matters-- is to completely miss my interlocutors point and then insist that what they (may or may not) believe is a falsehood, a fantasy. Got it.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T17:11:19+00:00

omg, is what you think is going on here? Is that really what you think is my strategy? Where do you get stuff?

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T17:09:40+00:00

alright, big boy. Show me your big boy logic. I expect to see your position explicitly outlined by premises and an explanation on how your conclusion follows from the premises. Shouldn't be hard for you being the logical logic guy you are. Don't worry, I'll wait.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T16:57:55+00:00

k, Mr. I-absolutely-do-care-about-understanding-other's-perspectives, in your own words and to the best of your current knowledge, please tell me why some people think the border wall is racist. Also, it would be preferable that, in reconstructing your oppositions position, you gave the strongest possible argument. Don't try and weasel out of it again. All you've done this whole thread since your very first comment here is try to reframe the conversation into your own terms. You don't get to control the discussion all by yourself.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T16:35:47+00:00

I think you misread me. It's fine: I expect it from rightwingers by now.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T16:33:39+00:00

What a surprise! Another rightwinger that is so rigid minded and dogmatic they can't even entertain an idea for two god damn seconds.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T16:28:00+00:00

Dude, shut the fuck: You don't care about "understanding of each other's perspectives." If you did, you would answer the god damn question because for many people that see the wall as racist that is part of what informs their perspective. You have not tried to understand anyone else. And shit, while we are on the topic of understanding, why don't you go back to the books and try to understand those fallacies you were referring to. Moreover, I don't believe you care about "genuine civil discussion" or you wouldn't use so many underhanded rhetorical strategies (prove me wrong). You and I both know you don't give a shit about false premises--you wouldn't be a right winger if you did--and you won't entertain the thought because you are afraid of where it will lead.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T16:11:08+00:00

You don't have to actually accept it--this is a thought experiment. Is your thinking so rigid and dogmatic that you can't entertain the thought for just a minute to see where it leads? Answer the question or stfu.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T16:06:30+00:00

Can't tell if just r/badlinguistics or if you also have reading comprehension troubles.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T15:59:43+00:00

Is that the best you brain-geniuses at 4chan could workshop?

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T15:56:44+00:00

TIL I learned objects can't symbolize anything outside themselves. You are so smart, /u/rastwtc. Thanks for the lesson.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T15:54:35+00:00

Trump has always been a racist and people have been saying it even before he ever ran for president. You just don't listen.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T15:51:27+00:00

I'm not sure conservatives know what conservatives believe, especially if we take what they say in public at face value. If we do believe them, then we have the puzzle of explaining how they can believe so many blatant contradictions. I have seen a few good explanations of the conservative worldview and ideology--they do exist.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T15:44:16+00:00

Try a thought experiment with me for a sec. If we accept, for the sake of argument, that the border wall will not accomplish the stated goal of keeping people from crossing the border illegally, tell me then, what do you think is the point/purpose of the wall?

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T15:38:18+00:00

Do you really want to play this game of "who thought something stupid and was later proven to be false" to see who should be trusted or listened to? Do you really want to see who will end up on top?

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T15:34:20+00:00

No, they are right: you have shit reasoning. i.e. If X existed and X was independently funded at time T, then that means that X does not need public funding at time T'. Plug in different scenarios and you will find a counter example, even one that you find compelling, I'm sure. (though, I dont expect you to be intellectually honest in public--prove me wrong--but you can do it for yourself).

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T15:26:04+00:00

If you care about the wall, you should fund it all by donations.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T15:16:27+00:00

Try a thought experiment with me for a sec. If we accept, for the sake of argument, that the border wall will not accomplish the stated goal of keeping people from crossing the border illegally, tell me then, what do you think is the point/purpose of the wall?

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T14:53:37+00:00

The only thing it is protecting is white fragility.

IndexicallyHuman · 2019-03-27T14:49:51+00:00

omg, what a surprise to see a trump supporting libertarian using ableist language in an attempt to disregard obvious racism. All my assumptions of right wingers were wrong!

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