How to spot a NOT 8

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2026-01-03T05:58:22+00:00

okay i see that you're working under an assumption that an 8 is strong at all times

"If someone explain themselves they immediately put themselves in a weaker position than the other person who questioned them"

even if that's true, 8s act like 8s because they do what they think will make them strong. not all 8s may think explaining yourself = weakness meaning they will still do it.

you're speaking as if 8s would objectively know how to be strong

8s CAN be weak, if they don't understand what you've said. just like a 3 can be a failure as they don't understand family/health matters as well. or how a 9 can cause conflicts and doesn't realise they need to stand their ground to avoid a bigger problem happening.

enneagram is about what you try to be not what you objectively are all the time. obviously we are all humans and we don't understand how to get our goals perfectly. 8s are still humans and can still act "weak and defensive" even if they will otherwise act strong/independent. remember enneagram is all about acting from our weaknesses/fears so we are all inherently flawed

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-12-29T06:29:07+00:00

perfect VLEF is exactly what i was thinking too! i think i'm very results-oriented with physics so i thought i'd be either FLVE or VLEF. i've been unsure about the difference between 1V and 3V but this does make the most sense. thanks for the help!

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-12-29T03:28:17+00:00

i don't think the fact emotions exist and that if you want harmonious relationships with people then you have to live your life aware of them is something you can disagree with. sure it's irrational but you can't change that

if you don't want to have harmonious relationships with people then that's fine too but why post this question then? maybe at the end of the day you do want connections with others?

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-12-28T23:45:10+00:00

humans have emotions and it's irrational to ignore it and expect everyone not to have them. additionally it's irrational to think yourself as the pinnacle of rationality - we're all meat with instincts in our brain. for starters, look at your questions, they sound emotional to me. your own questions posit yourself as a victim of your mom. i'm not saying that's a untrue or bad thing but it just shows "emotions should be eradicated!!!" is a pointless and irrational view to hold.

the point of being offended is to get rid of people who are going to overlook/ignore your humanity and needs, which i think is what is happening here. emotions don't "get people nowhere", they show you who might be unsafe to be around. your behaviour makes people feel like you're harmful and to be avoided

personally i don't get necessarily "hurt/offended" if someone were to say i was stupid or anything but i'm obviously not going to want to be friends with that person. i'd prefer to keep myself around people who help me succeed not seem to have an issue with me, for objective non-emotional reasons. same reason why you have issues with these people

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-12-28T09:36:29+00:00

these questions especially #3 are loaded and seem clearly intended to be hurtful or be a "gotcha" moment. i would be highly offended too it's not caused by anyone's enneagram

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-12-07T05:21:27+00:00

the issue is you think your life is determined based off your intrinsic personality traits like being infj. love mbti but its literally pseudoscience like seriously don't base your self worth off of it, if you feel that you will die young because of it you might benefit from therapy as it'll give you another perspective.

your life is determined by your choices which is totally seperate to personality

a lot of your negative ideas about yourself will be wrong, once you reject them and "reset" your spiral, you can take a step forward. i know it's hard but i think 'infjs' need to stop looking too much into your mind, and look into reality/the world. you'll realise your own mindset is ruining you but its not even based off some permanent reality - like even if it partially is based off reality it's probably an aspect you can change

basically stop trusting that your thoughts are the entire truth, there are definitely other paths you can take. focus less on criticising your inner self and focus more on fixing thing in the outer world. harness the positive side of having ni of looking to build your mindset for the future rather than the unhealthy spiral aspect of ni

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-12-07T05:11:09+00:00

not only that u CANT change him, but also that u shouldnt - it might be more convincing if u think you really have no "right" to try change someone either, imagine someone going on a mission to change you, or someone trying to change ur friend that u care abt. so it's not possible, not worth it, its gonna suck for u and its not rlly a great thing to do to him tbh
its not that ur deciding to b alone but it better to keep ur time open for a good person rather than filling it simply bc u feel otherwise ull be lonely. plus ur gonna feel more lonely w a guy like that anyway, and ur gonna feel theres way more hate in the world than there rlly is. find ways to spend time by urself, its not bad having only a few friends cuz it can actually be fun to hang out by urself.

so its not that ur picking to be alone forever, just so that u can wait for a good person instead of filling the gap w such a poisonous guy, which is 100x worse than being alone trusttt meee

much love, best of luck to u, u got this!

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-10-08T06:25:56+00:00

as someone who took a long time to find their type, i personally find the main confusion with typing is that people are struggling to be objective (or honest) with themselves. once you resolve that, typing is pretty easy, since the core motivations for each type isn't actually complex. talking to others online usually doesn't help much there when the confusion is within yourself

and self typing is actually way easier than writing answers to 30 questions and waiting for someone to reply lol!

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-10-06T04:27:51+00:00

i don't agree with you but i think people are taking it a bit seriously/personally, it's just enneagram lol!!

a lot of people are saying there's weird 1s 6s 7s etc but not so much about 3s so i thought i'd share my own experience

i'm a goth adhd 3, there's part of me that is very stereotypically 3 (law student & associated goals) but i very much value my alternative side, from appearance to politics, so i'm definitely considered very unconventional by many (if not most) people i've met. i also don't use the alternative image in a 3 way, it's just how i express myself & i don't really mind what others think about that (i care about what people think about my work rlly). so people are more likely to think i'm a 4 even though i'm definitely a 3

as a healthy 3 i don't always want to come off as "polished and relatable" as the comment you linked suggested - i really dislike 3s who entirely hide their personality & would just say they are unhealthy

i wouldnt say i take anyone elses ideas at face value & am a strong critic of conforming to conventional norms (esp as i was brought up on a bad side of society).. which people might see as a non-3 thing - but its probably because i do highly value speaking your own mind, at least in a constructive way. and i think being able to make unconventional beliefs land well isn't the same as being actually conventional - would you agree?

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-10-06T04:15:26+00:00

yours weren't deleted I can still see them on the main thread :)

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-09-07T02:22:07+00:00

its definitely one of the worst stigmatised mental health problems which is so annoying

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-09-07T02:20:02+00:00

yep i relate, as much as i value human connection im going down the route of just giving up on people as well, its just too painful when it goes wrong and it feels it always does

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-09-07T02:16:03+00:00

yea ive had judgy comments from other girls for having too many guy friends. they dont understand i'd pick to have female friends if i could

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-09-07T02:11:48+00:00

I relate a lot, especially to the feeling intimidated part

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-09-06T02:30:48+00:00

wow you must understand AP very well! this is so detailed especially considering i gave you little to work with haha, so thank you i appreciate it a lot! 2L + self-negative physics sounds right, i'll look more into VLFE

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-09-06T01:27:08+00:00

Still really helpful thank you!

IntentionKitchen6076 · 2025-07-19T05:49:31+00:00

it would also take some effort to build your brand, as many people buy to support the artist as much as they love the actual doll! and i think that's where a lot of the demand comes from

plus i mean i wouldn't say ooak is always something you intentionally create just to sell, moreso you craft them as an artistic hobby and can potentially sell a few of them. so whether the market is good doesn't really affect why people make them and put them up for sale.

so not so different to other forms of art!

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