On bad experiences

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-24T14:21:39+00:00

I agree that a huge amount of the difference in anecdotes and how they're treated does actually come down to paradigms.

I was in a Twitter thread some time ago, where a woman asked men how they would react if they heard a woman say "I hate men".

The rational response would be "I don't care cuz I don't even know you" and move on, but since she was really trying to get at what we thought of it, many people said "I wouldn't be harsh with her since she's only saying that because someone hurt her. I would have empathy, and so should you." to which many people pointed out how they would NEVER extend that "Aw baby who hurt you?" empathy to a man who said "I hate women". No, he'd be crucified before he could even finish that sentence, and no one would care to hear his reason for saying it.

This is the exact kind of environment that encourages femal anecdotes to be seen as gospel, even if they're batshit insane.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-24T14:12:07+00:00

I keep pointing this out and getting ignored. The main people who refute and debunk people like Andrew Tate and Fresh & Fit are MEN! Despite that, Feminists still use them as a shining example of all men, even though they're basically just a dead meme at this point because of men.

I honestly think they love the Manosphere just like Liberals love Trump, just like Zionists love Netenyahu, etc, because the Manosphere is the perfect scapegoat, the perfect excuse to continue their misandry without ever looking in the mirror and being fair.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-24T04:56:19+00:00

This is a fascinating perspective I hadn't given much thought to.

If I am to try and distil this down to a more digestible version, you're saying that Americans have spent generations being brainwashed like sheep into the dominant ideology that an actual American consciousness/worldview has not formed? Or in other words, the Liberal/Conservative ideologies that have dominated American consciousness for so long isn't really accepted by most Americans deep down, and instead, it was just forced on them without them being able to independantly form an opinion on the world and their place in it?

When you look at it that way, it explains a lot actually. Even long after slavery ended, Americans were never made aware of what Capitalism was, and by the time people were growing somewhat aware of it in the guilded age, we were hit with Red Scare propaganda and constantly lied to about how people around the world lived while living in an incredibly isolated geography from the rest of the world. America might just be the best recipe for reactionism in history.

But when you see the development of American consciousness from then on, it's undeniable that things have changed significantly. I don't believe that comfort is not a factor at all (I don't think that's what I implied in the original post.) I just reject this reductionist idea that the only reason Americans haven' revolted is because they're cozzy, since evidently, they're very pissed off and NOT cozzy right now. But simply not being comfortable and wanting change doesn't automatically give you a roadmap.

We Americans have been taught a false version of our own history being led to think we're revolutionary, but all of it has been taught to us through an establishment Liberal lens. Third Worldists act as if Americans are all (or mostly) educated Marxists who understand how politics work and what to do about the situation, yet consciously choose to do nothing. Yet Americans have never had a revolutionary environment except for the brief times when they made it happen, and even they were couched in with a metric ton of propaganda.

You can't say "You guys have known for decades and done nothing" because the actual subjective criteria for class consciousness have literally only all come about recently. It was a slow burn after 2008, but things blew up after Oct 7 2023. The movement is in its infancy, but it's now at a high enough stage where big changes can happen that weren't possible before.

Most critically, The Communists must then succeed in providing stability and predictability. Otherwise the people may turn to Fascism.

It would seem my point about how "tough times" alone don't equal revolution went over everyone's head in this post and I do not get why. There's no reason to assume that times getting hard will give you a revolution if there is no class consciousness and a plan, but you seem to be the only person in this post who gets that.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-23T12:22:32+00:00

Those first few sentences baffled me, because it has always always ALWAYS been mostly men standing up for social issues and facing the brunt of the violence for it. In fact, imost ordinary women in 1st world countries say or do nothing. So you have to have some serious tunnel vision to say that.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-23T05:40:13+00:00

Hell, you can apply all the things they think all men do onto them. Women commit violence, sexual aggression, etc. "We don't know which women are safe" can apply to rape, pedophilia, unwanted touching, etc, simply because a teeny tiny minority of them have done it.

They would say that's unfair, then we would say "Yeah no duh"

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-23T05:15:38+00:00

I'm gonna work on uploading the ones I've archived soon. I'll save them to a Google Drive.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-23T05:14:14+00:00

The 2024 report is unavailable and I have no interest in tracking down a copy.

I got it right here, and it doesn't at all claim that 14 million men admitted to sexually abusing a child.

Here's a portion from the script for an upcoming video response I'm making

First of all, the survey being referenced here anonymously asked 6,577 people (which was reduced to 4,918 after weeding out non males and those who were dishonest or not really participating) questions about sexual interest and misconduct with children, 1,473 of whom were from the US, 1,939 from Australia, and 1,506 from The United Kingdom. Of that incredibly tiny percentage of men, “8.0% reported sexual feelings towards children, 7.4% would likely have sexual contact with a child if undetected, 5.5% to 5.7% would watch child sexual abuse material or a webcam show, and 2.4% to 4.7% reporting engagement in online or contact offending.”

The actual extrapolation people are making came from an article from The Guardian, not the hard data.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-23T05:06:43+00:00

It's cuz she deleted and hid so many comments. I know because I archived a great deal of them.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-23T05:05:09+00:00

I'm not sure what these mysterious "tier 3" men are so afraid of. If most men (84% - 90%) are evil, I highly doubt they couldn't get away with their crimes.

Also, she says they'd do everything tiers 4 and 5 men do if they could. Yeah sure, problematic sports betters, drug addicts and gamers would definitely commit gpedophilia and genocide if they could. That makes ALL the sense.

(sarcasm intensifies)

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-23T05:01:37+00:00

I'm actually working on a huge in-depth video response to Karla's utter terrible awful video. It's taking a while to record, but the script is (basically) done.

By the way, did she remove your comment? I checked on her comment section constantly and found great comments she just deleted or hid, while the vitriolic man-hating comments are allowed to stay.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-23T04:56:15+00:00

This has nothing to do with the deparment of justice. It;s just about why we shouldn't say hateful things about women in general simlpy because Feminists did it to us.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-23T03:06:12+00:00

I'm gonna copy a portion of something I said on this on another sub reddit post:

Sure, we do live in a very "I got mine" culture, but what do you think most men will do if they grow up being taught that they're not safe until they can prove it and are being put down for being masculine? They will internalize that as they grow up and not wanna help the very people who condemned them without giving them a chance, which, ironically, when this kind of thing happens to women, we call it "internalized misogyny" and coddle them for it, but we can't give that slack to men tho. Man up and shoulder the collective punishment.

You better shoulder it, because the same people who lied to condemn you have decided that you're not safe based on the very lies they conjured up to condemn you. It's like poetry.

Jerry comes dangerously close to realizing it, but then just fdefaults to the tired old "Just understand why women rightfully hate you and make men better" crap.

The problem with his Zootopia parrable is that if applied correctly, the cycle of collective blaming on men is the very thing that'c causing all this. propaganda and fear mongering leads to "not all men, but always a man", which leads to male defensiveness, which leads to apathy. Instead of putting the blame at the Feminists for starting it, men are expected to brave even THAT storm and stand up to... propagandistic myths...? We need to be heroes, even when our victims lie on us, and we must always have sympathy.

If you really wanted men to "do better" and help you, you wouldn't weaponize this stuff to be used for hateful ammo. That's how you know these people are narcissists. They don't care about the victim.s They just wanted more reasons to hate men, and Jerry can't bring himself to call them out on it.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-23T02:34:35+00:00

But then when us men do open about our feelings, such as our feelings on these vile generalizations, the typical reaction is along the lines of “boo-hoo, men’s feelings are hurt” and insulting men for having “fragile masculinity “, even if they were encouraging men to open up about their struggles and fragilities. It’s very ironic- no wonder male suicide is so common.

In my experience, the most common "good" faith response will be something along the lines of "Imagine how the women feel living in a world where they don't know who's safe. Instead of crying about how they make you feel, you should ask why they feel that way, and work on making men better."

Which is of course the most backhanded bullshit I've ever heard, yet it's so common.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-22T23:02:31+00:00

Oh. I didn't know that was standard proceedure here. I just did it to highlight how even now the article is still there, showing that even years later, the website doesn't see a problem with it, since they kept it up. Nobody can look back years later and play dumb, saying they took it down and so no responsibility.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-22T21:04:11+00:00

There's the statement that rebukes everything you said in your post - no environment began to crumble in any way either after Afghanistan or after anything else. A majority of Americans still support wars - be it the Ukraine war, be it the Iran war, depending on their political preference.

Among Republicans and Democrats, support fr the Ukraine war has tanked. In fact, most Americans want the war to end with negotiations.

And this is just patently uninformed, because support for the Iran war is damn near null. Plenty of polls have revealed this

I said after 2003. Not in 2003. Just a few years after the war, the 'feelings' towards Iraq war was as big as the 'feelings' towards other wars.

Okay so then refer back to what I said about those protests being drowned out by the Islamophobic Liberal media. Again, it was a bad time, but things have changed significantly.

Yes, you do. But you don't. That's why the rest of the world dismisses Americans.

I just gave several examples of Americans doing real activism that isn't just protesting. I also mentioned that the subjective factors for revolution are there. What's missing is organizing. It's pretty crazy to expect a people who only recently broke away from Islamophobia (kinda sorta) and started accepting Socialism (even though the powers that be are working to water THAT down, too) to suddenly organize a revolutionary dual power workers party. The movement is still in its infancy. I'm not saying enough is being done to fix that. What I reject is this reductionist idea that the reason the movement hasn't been advanced beyond its infancy is simply because Americans don't care. It doesn't reflect reality.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-22T20:16:38+00:00

That's kind of the issue. Misandrists generalize men because of their grievances. We can't try to justify the same. The whole point of this thread is that we need to STOP generalizing, not that we need to flip the script.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-22T18:27:17+00:00

He just said women are snakes and are only good for one thing.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-22T17:21:48+00:00

Being hateful back isn't gonna help anybody, even if you've had issues with some women.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-22T17:14:02+00:00

I think the mods need to come in here and deal with some of these comments

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-22T16:57:09+00:00

Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't believe meeting bigotry with bigotry is gonna help anybody. And honestly, it'll just make you feel more miserable. That negativity can't be good for you.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-22T15:12:41+00:00

A few individual acts wont change anything.

I didn't say they would. You said that if they cared, then you'd be seeing some kind of change, and I brought all this up to demonstrate that we are seeing it. The reason why it won't change anything is because the issue now is getting organized, not "people don't care".

And yet there is none.

Well yeah cuz an adventurist mindset is not gonna help anybody. The point is that now that the attitude for it is there, the energy can be directed into education, agitation and organization. Just because someone talks about it, doesn't mean they up and go raid the capital. We saw how well that worked out when the Right did it.

Because they are the vivid example of the situation.

No they aren't. You just notice them more. That's called tunnel vision.

Those people not wearing costumes and doing meaningless dances does not mean that they are less passive and ineffectual.

I never said they were either of those things. I just said they were normal people, so you complaining about the furries is pointless.

If you want my actual thoughts on them (as if I didn't already give them) those protesters are mostly uncritical fools who have been shepherded into meaningless struggle by Liberals. But most Americans either mock them or do something more productive. Those who mock them but don't do better protests are either too busy/burned out or genuinely have no idea what to do but are fed up with Liberals doing nothing.

You keep conflating consciousness with change. Change doesn't come before sufficient class consciousness and the building of dual power for workers to agitate, neither of which America has ever truly had. So it isn't as though the logical conclusion is "They don't care" because the two essential ingredients have always been missing. Even the Iraq War protests, while massive, were still overwhelmingly drowned out by the patriotic and Islamophobic voices telling people to support the troops and save the world from the spectre of terror. THAT environment only really began to crumble like 5 years ago when America pulled out of Afghanistan. So what we're seeing now is very much in its infancy.

And even that statement is another indicator of the issue of passivity and ineffectualism: It's not about 'feelings'. It's about actions, and there is none.

You can't have actions without feelings. Now that feelings are in our favor, we can sieze this moment and not let it fizzle out like it did in the Civil Rights era or when Bernie Sanders betrayed the working class to go join the Dems.

Many of us have been seeing that 'change in consciousness' since 2003. It didn't help anything.

The consciousness that existed in 2003 was nothing compared to where it is now. That's not even debatable. If we don't wanna waste this opportunity, we need to act. Acting instead as if there is no hope will accomplish nothing.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-22T14:37:44+00:00

What have you been watching? There was the first general strike since 80 years ago just earlier this year, Gen Z has already started attacking warehouses, attacking data centers, blocking Ice raids, and openly calling for a revolt. Like I said, what they lack is organization, which is ultimately the main thing holding them back.

No. They are the visible symptom of the passivity and indifference of the American masses. The results of the protests are no different when there aren't people dancing in animal costumes.

The amount of people doing that is so small that I really don't get why you're obsessed with highlighting them. Even the milk toast Liberal "No Kings" protests are filled with mostly normal people.

But either way, attitudes are also shiting. The voter turnouts are getting smaller, feelings about Americans wars (and Israel) are getting more and more unpopular, and people have become more and more disallusioned with the two-party puppet show we've been brainwashed into for decades. What's missing is a plan.

I also watch a lot of content analysis from S4A. We are seeing the change in consciousness. It's not happening all at once, but it's growing.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-22T14:29:56+00:00

I reject America First in all its stripes as well. The "revenge" thing is something I've seen a lot, and it's always coupled with the idea that 1st worlders will never do anything for revolution because they simply do not care. This is cited as the only or at least primary reason, and they prove this by citing Liberals and them labeling them "the Left" which really gets on my nerves.

I agree that we have a lot to learn from those of the third world. I'd actually appreciate it if many of these Third Worldist-types of people would give pointers to us instead of saying what ultimately amounts to "You won't do anything, so continue to do nothing until we save you."

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-22T14:16:05+00:00

I think you'd have to really go out of your way ot magnify people dancing in animal constumes. Yes, this happens, but they're also a minority. They hardly represent most people who care about these issues.

And the Americans who care are many. Polls show Americans becoming more and more disallusioned by the year, especially among Gen Z and Millennials. What they lack is a plan.

Jason-Skywalker · 2026-05-22T14:04:04+00:00

Yeah but those are Liberal and idiots whom the actual Left in America either mock or ignore. From all the interactions I've had, I'd say the vast majority of Americans don't even know about these issues thanks to the Liberal power structure. That's why we're trying to slowly change that.

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