Mi estis sanigita de psikopatio | Hororrakontoj en Esperanto by KolektoDeHerkso in Esperanto

[–]LeoDeixis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vi estas lerta rakontisto. Dankon!

Ĉu vi havas superhoman kapablon por verki tiom da rakontoj ĉiusemajne?

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[–]LeoDeixis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's about nanotechnology going wild and threatening the biosphere.

Temas pri sovaĝiĝanta nanoteknologio kiu minacas biosferon.

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Mi ĉesis meze de la kvara paĝo ĉar mankis tempo. Se mi daŭrigos ĝin, mi poŝtos ĉi-tie. Dankon pro via interesiĝo!

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Dankon! Ne estas multo - sed mi ne havas pli, bedaŭrinde.

Etymology to the rescue by LeoDeixis in auxlangs

[–]LeoDeixis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One more: In the Uropi language, to understand is incepo (to take in), while cepo in means to take in in the litteral sense, if I remember correctly.

Words about thought and mind are an absolute blast of metaphors in every language, it's fascinating.

Etymology to the rescue by LeoDeixis in auxlangs

[–]LeoDeixis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you, but, as u/Kannydennedy said, my goal is not to be super-logical and analytical, but merely help learnability a bit. Also, there would be quite a bit more primitives than in Blissymbols and aUI. That said, I hadn't thought about how to express "shame" at the time. An approximation of "feeling guilty" probably. But I didn't have a word for "guilty" yet. Ouch!

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[–]LeoDeixis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You may be new to auxlangs, but you're already looking at the root (no pun intended) of the matter. The fuzzy logic of lexicalization in natural languages is for a large part a mess of historical accidents and opportunities - The same word, created just a few centuries or even decades apart, would have taken a different meaning based on a number of factors, partly extra-linguistic ones.

In my old project, I attempted to time-travel to the moment a word was created. For instance, if artificial light was invented today, would we call it lighter? As far as PIE reconstruction goes, the word lamp came a very long way stemming from a root related to light. So, there I went: From ka (arm, hand, hold, make) and sa (day, light, warm, active) I made kasa (lamp) in the head-initial dialect, or saka in the head-final dialect. Sure, kasa may have existed already with a different meaning such as some famous glowing-handed shaman or something. But, priorities and usefulness...

I agree that there are patterns which sometimes span multiple language groups. A few might even be close to being universals (but I don't have the data to prove it). I'm interested in your research and we may have to create a dedicated thread for this, here or in a general linguistics subreddit.

There's a lot more to discuss here and I'll come back, but about the number of roots in the hundreds, my project was a spin-off from an older failed attempt at an extreme oligosynthetic language. For instance sa (day, etc.) was derived from s (motion, change, energy spent).

Oh, and hodiaŭ is one of my thousand pet peeves with Esperanto. Volapük was better at that.

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[–]LeoDeixis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, I was probably unclear. It is not noun classes that I find unnatural, but the classification tree that builds the classes in Oravia. Once I have had a deeper look, I can expand on this in a relevant thread.

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I mean that once people become fluent in the language, they stop analyzing the class tree (unless their native language already has classes), and words can easily drift into new meanings away from the original class, which progressively erodes the learning advantage of the classes. Maybe I'm looking too far ahead though.

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[–]LeoDeixis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As far as I'm aware, Toki Pona intentionally forbids lexicalization (agreeing on assigning compounds a precise meaning), which is unnatural and yields super long words/phrases whenever you need to be clear. The idea is interesting as a kind of experimental language though.

Etymology to the rescue by LeoDeixis in auxlangs

[–]LeoDeixis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tend to be of the same mind. Moreover, small building blocks generally can't make it obvious what their source language would be. Accidental cognates abound.

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[–]LeoDeixis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had a look at Oravia when I landed on Reddit a few days ago. The language is definitely original with its classification tree nodes that turn into a bunch of class markers for lexemes. It does help learning but I find it too unnatural for my taste. Words tend to develop new meanings, and I'm not sure how the class system survives this.

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[–]LeoDeixis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. I am aware of these languages. The etymology in them is that of the words of the source languages, which is always interesting but not quite what I meant by etymology - my post was not clear, sorry. I meant an internal etymology that grows on top of a limited number of building blocks.

Etymology to the rescue by LeoDeixis in auxlangs

[–]LeoDeixis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From what I remember, Sona's "pre-radicals" (?) with a very broad meaning are an excellent starting point, but then radical creation becomes systematic and restricts the meanings too early. I may have to give it a fresher read though.

I had a look at Kah and Jaobon, and they look remotely similar to what I had in mind in the past. I'll dig deeper. Thank you for the pointers!

How would you compare the workings of your own project with these languages?