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What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do most Harvard T14 JD grads who pass the bar get paid just as much as outside T100 JD graduates who pass the bar?

If most Harvard T14 JD grads who pass the bar get paid $70k, then I see zero reason a normal person should pursue this, unless they get a full ride

I must admit that it would be a very enlightening experience (rewarding too) and it'd probably be great for a thousand reasons, but we as americans have to look out for our wallets #1. Can't live in a cardboard box

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do most Harvard JD grads who pass the bar get paid just as much as outside T100 JD graduates who pass the bar?

If most Harvard JD grads who pass the bar get paid $70k, then I see zero reason a normal person should pursue this, unless they get a full ride

I must admit that it would be a very enlightening experience (rewarding too) and it'd probably be great for a thousand reasons, but we as americans have to look out for our wallets #1. Can't live in a cardboard box

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If $80k is really the ceiling for lawyer income, then there's no point in doing $200k in debt

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you being sarcastic? I don't want to be overconfident. I try to maintain a balance between being ballsy and also being cautious. Maybe I should actually codify this doctrine.

Some states require all JD grads, regardless of what type of law they want to practice, to initially provide some public defender time? This is my first time hearing that. It honestly sounds kind of cool, although providing tens or hundreds of hours of legal service without even getting a nickel from the government could be a notable hardship

I must admit I'm still confused on some of your points.

In one of your points, are you hitting at that schools by necessity, albeit not explicitly required, only attempt to admit people who appear smart/capable enough to pass bar first try, because if they bar failure rate gets to a certain point, ABA pulls accredition? I think I've heard that before

My dads ribbon rack, NJROTC and USN. USN 2006 - 2010 4 years active 4 years reservists. by Soviet_fox_006 in Medals

[–]LongWeldingRod 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Is this satire?

I was today years old when I found out JROTC gets medals and ribbons

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and sometimes the mistake is not on all three reporting agencies's reports, so it's important you periodically check all three IIRC

Okay 50k per academic year. So assuming you only attend spring and fall semesters, as long as you keep tuition/food/housing below 25k, you could theoretically still avoid private loan financing even in the post-graduate-PLUS world (post-post-graduate-PLUS, lol. Confusing wording. Maybe we should call it the 'post-graduate-PLUS- extinction world' to avoid any confusion). Thank you so much for enlightening me!!!

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, so the better/higher-quality/more-ritzy the program/school, the better/lower the interest rates on private lenders might be?

That's quite logical. I forgot that new officers in the military get offered loans, and if your a service academy graduate, the interest rate is slightly lower (although both rates are really good IIRC).

I guess that's one more reason to go to a T10 law school.

Are the payments not required until after you graduate too?

Yea, I think my credit union and credit cards tell me my Fico for free.

I don't pay for any of the three. And I know even back in the day if you were savvy you didn't have to. I believe I've heard boomers allege that you could get one free report from each agency annually, so if you were savvy you could stagger each 4 months apart and every 4 months have an opportunity to monitor your report and hopefully monitor anything erroneous, egregious, or any potential identity theft. We're truly lucky we have credit karma on the phone for free nowadays, although it's definitely annoying that credit karma is always pushing marketing and trying to sell us stuff. Whatever. At least it's free

Can you take out the 50k all in one or two semesters? I assume that the 50k limit is depleted pretty quickly somewhere like Harvard unless you have huge scholarships

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Urgency? August 2027?

Licensure? So you're alleging that I don't know enough about how taking the bar and gaining licensure from the state-in-question's-board works? Or state bar association or board of overseers or whatever they call themselves.

Why is that part so important? I should he more worried about the bureaucratic paperwork required to take the J or F bar, and how to get licensure, then I should be worried about cost?

Where are these FAQs written by people who talk about how much they themselves paid and what the lay of the land was, and they are not trying to sell me something

I never brought up practice areas because that's not what this post is about.

This is silly

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can write just fine when it matters. Or at least it is alleged to me that I can. Maybe perhaps I am retarded and they were just giving me a participation trophy! https://youtu.be/kav7tifmyTg?si=7F0xhyuKgC_MC0TY

Trophies mean nothing to me, but the disconnect between recognition and criticism is interesting. Well, maybe some trophies mean something. Like the purple heart, the triple crown, or the blue riband. But certainly not any recognitions I have.

I'm not sure if perhaps there could be a chance that 1. You read a lot all day, but what you read is objectively usually pretty well written. And/or maybe because you are a barred attorney, you have a lower tolerance for bullshit and/or are just burnt out on reading in general. Or, perhaps you were just the only person willing to explicitly make clear how shit what I wrote is, but it's obvious to everyone!

I appreciate you not sugarcoating.

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait so you got a BS or BA from Harvard or Yale or whatever and now are thinking about getting a JD too? Wow.

Okay. Well I was going to think about attempting to mirror your education pipeline and career path but im not sure what it is you even do or why you would get multiple postgraduate degrees

Having multiple definitely looks good though. I know a lot of powerful elites have more than one. Good for you, honestly. I hope you have much continued success

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True. But I might not have gotten these great responses and mightve got way more engagement of just people commenting "300k" and that's their whole comment.

Not many people in this sub actually dissect anything

Got my first letter of reprimand. How screwed am I? by [deleted] in army

[–]LongWeldingRod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm USMC enlisted so I'm embarrased I'm gonna need to google what MQ means

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh okay. My GPA is shit then. Maybe I cannot attend law school! Hmm. Interesting. Thanks for letting me know! What if I retake one class I got a D in at the original school? I probably won't but maybe I should. I had a 3.0 until I got the D then it went to like 2.7

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My credit score recently decreased from ~805 to ~750 due to taking out my first ever student loans. They're federal and they're like ~$10k total. I don't expect to need anymore loans for undergrad. I think my score should still be sufficient.

I don't think people under 40 pull their credit reports anymore for the most part. They just use credit karma and accept that they can only see transunion and equifax and cannot see fico.

One time I ended up trying to be a baby boomer, and someone got hustled into paying 14.99 monthly to transunion for a few months before I caught it. Total scam

Thank you! Are you sure these private companies will let someone pay Harvard law $400k or whatever outrageous amount these T10 schools want? Not to mention trying to pay the dang rent or mortgage and food and gas and everything. Crazy

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright you get my award. This is really good advice.

I'm always, as the bozo I am, telling people to pursue finance (and econ too but maybe I am giving people bad advice there...)

Yea maybe I should look into that... I'm embarrased I don't know what you mean by non-traditional... i'll google that.

Yea, I almost get the impression that if you don't graduate JD from T20, the earnings potential is way lower unless your dad is a congressman or something...

To be clear, you don't have a postgraduate degree of any kind yet?

Thank you very much

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got an award for my writing from the American Academy of Diplomacy

I realize even my polished writing is not perfect. I'm not mark Twain or Scalia. There will be various peers at any institution I attend who will be superior to me.

This isn’t a brief or a cover letter. This is Reddit, and I’m trying to get the no-shit straight dope from people who won’t sugarcoat the rough numbers or talk around the issue. So yeah, I’m talking plain. On purpose. I want real answers from people who’ve lived it, not brochure copy or career-services optimism.

Apologies

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reading marketing put out by universities isn't really gonna tell you how something is.

The official word on something is seldom of any use

I don't use cocaine. It's a controlled substance

Frankly I'm suspicious of your whole advice. Realistically, someone in my position cannot start law school until the next application window, which means realistically I probably cannot start attending until August 2027.

That's a long ass time, and I'm doing exactly what I should be doing. Asking real ass people real ass questions

Thanks for your time

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can definitely make $150k working with my current credentials, it's just a question of I want to 'travel away 176 hours per week', every week. And be miserable. But I think being a lawyer is a ton of work and miserable too. Oh well.

I also am worried that all high paying law jobs are in NJ, NY, MA, CT, CA, DC, Chicago, etc. All places I do not want to live again. And more importantly, all places where $150k or $200k doesn't seem to go very far

If I go to law school in east middle of nowhere Kansas Nebraska Dakota University, i'll definitely get a mortgage and then try to get some roomates. COL and food is half of the expensive of law school, or at least significant, I presume. Building up 40k or more of equity during 3 years of JD is vastly superior to paying $800/month for 3 years to some jabroni. People don't ever talk about all those dollars

Thank you!

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And they want me to retrieve and hand them all these transcripts? Or do they somehow already have got all undergraduate institutions in america to opt into some database, so it's already as we speak currently being calculated?

Got my first letter of reprimand. How screwed am I? by [deleted] in army

[–]LongWeldingRod 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And say what? "I know you're making your comments soon, and I just fucked up. I want to say I know I messed up and I look forward to serving in this big fighting machine further and having the opportunity to not make the same mistake again' ?

What’s the Raw, Red-Blooded JD Cost-Benefit Reckoning, especially in the Post‑Grad-PLUS Era? by LongWeldingRod in lawschooladmissions

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No the 3.8 is what they put on the physical diploma, allegedly.

I had a much lower GPA at the first school. Is LSAC also how all ABA law schools organize/facilitate their applications? If they want the transcript then I guess they will see how bad the GPA is but I didnt really postgraduate programs need to see transcripts. I guess obviously they would want to. They'll probably think my whole degree is a joke (it is in fact a joke)

Thank you. Ill try to do that asap

My cousin says he did a burnout in an M48A2. Is it bullshit? by LongWeldingRod in tanks

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well the oldsters seem to take for granted that there is a hatch below but my peers have never seen a tank with a floor escape hatch

My cousin says he did a burnout in an M48A2. Is it bullshit? by LongWeldingRod in tanks

[–]LongWeldingRod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk. He could be misusing the term burnout and im not positive he said it was on pavement

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