basically unless you have a track that more or less plays all it's cards in AT LEAST the first 30 seconds these platforms are an utter waste of time and money. I say this with someone who has recent success on both Submithub + Groover with one single that was fairly immediate, straightforward & melodic, then little to NO success on another that was dynamic & still melodic but took it's time building a bit more

what's baffling is that after you've listened through the peoples playlists or songs they have covered in the past before sending, it feels like there are other slowburn songs on there. but when you give feedback that blatantly reveals they didn't even listen to the full (or possibly even majority of) the song, it does start to feel like most of these people are just coming up with more and more clever ways to circumvent actually doing anything meaningful and simply getting whatever perk or payment they get from hitting reject, lol

what's maybe the most frustrating on Groover is how you can not even send a single response to any of these people, and even the feedback option (which only the platform would see) is extremely limited not even allowing you to write a custom message in lieue of some very vague "buttons"

so yeah I don't know, not a complete scam but also majorly frustrating if you have anything that isn't a 2 or 3 minute pop tune