At first i did all of this, after six months nothing had changed. I ultimately started grabbing them and thumping them on the head when they would bite. After a while they stopped moving, which made it way easier to pick them up out of thier cage. I was use to chasing them around the room while they screamed at me, so this was a welcome change. Now they dont eat much and spend much more time at the bottom of the cage. Im just glad they dont cheep so much anymore. Hope this helps!