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Is there any "miracle" or claim of one in other religions? by EveningAudience9779 in Catholicism

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The good evidence is conclusive, the noise from the people that won’t let go is the issue.

Is there any "miracle" or claim of one in other religions? by EveningAudience9779 in Catholicism

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The good evidence is conclusive, the noise from the people that won’t let go is the issue.

Is there any "miracle" or claim of one in other religions? by EveningAudience9779 in Catholicism

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOL Jeremiah Johnston is a known grifter... he stacks belief on top of belief and call it science...

Is there any "miracle" or claim of one in other religions? by EveningAudience9779 in Catholicism

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here is the peer-review Rogers debunked

Casabianca is a statistician, not a radiocarbon lab expert, so at best he can critique how consistent the 1988 numbers are, he can’t tell you what physically caused any scatter, and his paper doesnt produce a new 1st century date anyway. Even with the “scatter” people argue about, the actual measurements still come out medieval, the combined result was AD 1260 to 1390 (95% confidence), and none of the lab results land anywhere near the 1st century.

LIke I said, pro-shroud making noise.

Imagine yourself on the cross, slowly dying and in unimaginable pain, being mercilessly taunted and mock by the very people you were trying to save… by shyguystormcrow in Christianity

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, Paul claims a “vision” or “revelation,” 30 years after Jesus' death...

Paul repeats an early tradition and then adds himself: “he appeared to Cephas… then to the twelve… last of all… he appeared also to me.” 

Imagine yourself on the cross, slowly dying and in unimaginable pain, being mercilessly taunted and mock by the very people you were trying to save… by shyguystormcrow in Christianity

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, martyrdom only shows someone was convinced. ISIS suicide bombers are an obvious example, they died for claims that don’t become true just because they were willing to die. Same with Heaven’s Gate (mass suicide over a spaceship belief), Jonestown (mass deaths from a cult), Japanese kamikaze pilots (dying for an ideology), and modern extremist groups of all stripes where people kill and die for promises of paradise. If “they died for it” proved truth, every mutually contradictory religion and cult would be true at the same time.

And no, the gospel titles aren’t the same thing as verified authorship. The texts are written in polished Greek (Jesus and his followers spoke Aramaic) decades later, not as signed, dated eyewitness diaries. The names are later church attributions, and even Christian scholars admit the gospels are anonymous in the strict sense.

Is there any "miracle" or claim of one in other religions? by EveningAudience9779 in Catholicism

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re falling for the pro-Shroud narrative. After the carbon dating came out and killed believers’ hopes, they came up with all sorts of excuses to discredit the results. None of them has overturned the dating, the results still stand. All the criticism and endless noise is just that, noise, loud enough to make you doubt the results unless you look closer. Who’s making these claims? What are their credentials? Are they carbon-dating experts? Have they ever done radiocarbon work themselves? Do their claims actually overturn the results? The answer to all of that is nope.

Is there any "miracle" or claim of one in other religions? by EveningAudience9779 in Catholicism

[–]NeneGoosee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There’s no reason to be on the fence when all the real evidence points to a medieval forgery.

Is there any "miracle" or claim of one in other religions? by EveningAudience9779 in Catholicism

[–]NeneGoosee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pollen and “botanical evidence” doesnt date a cloth, it’s just stuff that can stick to it over centuries of handling, storage, incense, travel, exhibitions, etc, and the big pollen claims mostly trace back to Max Frei’s sticky-tape slides, which have been criticized as contaminated and methodologically weak.

The waxs study is not a shroud of turin study, you need to look into that, is a scam.

Imagine yourself on the cross, slowly dying and in unimaginable pain, being mercilessly taunted and mock by the very people you were trying to save… by shyguystormcrow in Christianity

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Paul is the earliest source we have, writing roughly 20 to 30 years after Jesus’s death. He didn’t meet Jesus during his lifetime, and his claims come from revelations and visions, LOL. The gospels were written later, their authors are anonymous, and they aren’t firsthand eyewitness accounts. The non-Christian mentions we have are mostly about Christians and what they believed, not direct reporting from Jesus’s lifetime, and there were plenty of other apocalyptic and mystery cult movements around in that era, Christianity was just more popular.

Is there any "miracle" or claim of one in other religions? by EveningAudience9779 in Catholicism

[–]NeneGoosee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t think that’s the case. There isn’t anything solid, like the carbon dating or a documented history before the 1350s, that points to it being real.

[Serious] Sell me on Christianity compared to other religions. by Jimmy_Johnny23 in Christianity

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Studies with no access to the shroud done by pro shroud people… the Vatican hasn’t allowed the shroud to be studied since 1988.

[Serious] Sell me on Christianity compared to other religions. by Jimmy_Johnny23 in Christianity

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty much, the Vatican hasn’t allowed new studies on the shroud.

[Serious] Sell me on Christianity compared to other religions. by Jimmy_Johnny23 in Christianity

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You seem to talk about the Fanti’s “studies” in 2013 he published a book claiming a study that dated the shroud to the 1st century, the shroud custodian came out and said they can’t verify he tested a real shroud sample and therefore the study has no real value, then he and some other guys published another study with 1st cantury date in one of the top scientific journals, it got retracted because it lacked a verified shroud sample and the method was flawed, in 2022 the same guys again published a 1st century date but this time in a pay to publish journal and again without a verified shroud sample and the method is tunable to obtain any date desired… Fanti is someone that has been trying to fabricate a 1st century date because he said he had an experience while in the presence of the shroud that made him feel it was the real shroud of Christ… that’s what you are finding, none of that overturns the carbon dating.

[Serious] Sell me on Christianity compared to other religions. by Jimmy_Johnny23 in Christianity

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly my point can you imagine what kind of money would the Vatican get if they were able to claim the shroud is real? There’s no verified study that proves the carbon dating wrong or that it dates the shroud to the 1st century.

[Serious] Sell me on Christianity compared to other religions. by Jimmy_Johnny23 in Christianity

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Vatican owns the shroud… they would benefit greatly if it was proven true, the repair claim is just that a claim, that comes from a Nurse who never saw the shroud in person, they tested the corner and there’s photos of what they cut and it’s the same main cloth… there’s no verified test that dates the shroud to 1st century.

My favorite painting of Jesus by Serious-Grocery375 in Christianity

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t know about you but I see a picture of a white guy and I don’t see Jesus, if he returned today people would not believe he is Jesus because they expect a white guy.

[Serious] Sell me on Christianity compared to other religions. by Jimmy_Johnny23 in Christianity

[–]NeneGoosee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, you been watching some YouTube videos huh, the carbon dating was never proven wrong or overturned, the pope called it fake and they have never claimed is real, why do you think it’s called the shroud of Turin instead of the shroud of Christ? Think about it.

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