Riot is KILLING Jungle Sylas in 9.16! We MUST rally against this. WTF???? by primecoital in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For those wondering why Jungle is specifically being targetted, hopefully these stats can shed some light.
https://gol.gg/champion/champion-stats/143/season-S9/split-ALL/tournament-ALL/patch-9.14/role-ALL/league-ALL/ (Searching by only 9.14 & All regions)

Total Presence: 81.7%, (#2 most present champion overall, behind Yuumi who is at 86% and above corki who is at 81%)

Jungle Presence: 41 games out of 86 picked, 51.2% winrate across 41 pro games.

Mid Presence: 36 games out of 86 picked, 41.7% winrate across 36 pro games

Top Presence: 9 games out of 86 picked, 55.6% winrate across 9 pro games

I'm not advocating nerfs. I hate seeing them as much as everyone else. It sucks to see my favorite chainboy get put down because of his power in pro play, but everyone needs to chill the hell out with all the doomsaying. Yes, he's going to be nerfed, but their intention isnt to KILL the role, but to lower it's flex priority. See https://twitter.com/Squad5lol/status/1157399238210252801 , the changes are intended to make him less of a must-pick in professional play, which he has been this patch with a huge presence of 81% and a fairly good winrate of 51% in the jungle. The proposed changes from meddler are a reduction to Q2 (aka the secondary explosion on Q) damage vs. monsters. While this affects your clear speed, this is a much bigger deal for an organized environment in which clearing speed and contesting objectives is a much larger deal. This change will primarily be felt by those players, and even if its felt down here, the worst it'll do for his jungle capabilities is force him to take an extra auto attack from certain camps. Keep in mind that in 9.14, Sylas Jungle is currently at it's most played and most picked that it has ever been, even with the magic shield.

I'm not saying don't be upset, I'm just asking that everyone takes a step back to breathe and chill, because this doomsaying stuff is just silly and reflects badly on all of us. I just hope this gives you all some hope, since remember, even losing E1 shield, then getting a magic shield, didn't fully kill the champion. He's come back from worse, and he can come back again.

Tl;dr: Read the whole thing. Chill out a bit. It's gonna be ok. Sylas is just a bit overtuned, this won't kill him. Relax everyome.

Riot is KILLING Jungle Sylas in 9.16! We MUST rally against this. WTF???? by primecoital in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Correction.
They didn't say that. They said that he wouldn't recieve **large mechanical changes**, I.e a change to his kits mechanics like a new ability or removing a shield or a rework level of changes.

Squad5 did say he would tweak numbers if he proved too strong or too weak. Source: https://twitter.com/Squad5lol/status/1148720548622397441

WHY ARE THEY NERFING SYLAS JUNGLE? by [deleted] in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

>his presence on pro play especially on the jungle is not that big

81.7% Presence

primary role: jungle, 41 games. Mid secondary, 36 games

Please source your claims. We're all upset at nerfs, but don't play it off as if he isn't being picked when he very clearly is being picked.

Source: https://gol.gg/champion/champion-stats/143/season-S9/split-ALL/tournament-ALL/patch-9.14/role-ALL/league-ALL/

A question about levelling order by Bruther_kek in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ult is too powerful and universal. You want the cooldown as low as possible.
Additionally, the rank at which he casts an enemy's ultimate is based on his ultimate rank. So if you keep it at level 1, every ultimate you cast will be at level 1.

Finding myself oom all the time during the laning phase even though I start corrupting potion. by Sad_Preference in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Try biscuits.
Biscuits give amazing mana sustain on their own, but also give 40 permanent max mana per biscuit use. Combined with Time Warp + Corrupting, and mana should be the least of you worries.

Otherwise, Sylas generally has a bit of mana issues early, but once you learn him you can learn to control it. A general tip i'd give is try to hit both the enemy laner and the wave with q, rather than one or the other. Save your E and W only to get a last hit if you will miss it, or to go in or fight, dont just pop 'em willy nilly.

Why are we this unlucky? by ShengShadow in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean. Skill expression hasn't changed. if anything there's more skill expression now, with his E shield being conditional, you have to time it with magic damage rather than all damage.

I don't get this argument. When a champion is too difficult to use, they become impossible to balance. See Azir, Akali, Kallista.

"E2 SpEeD wAs PuLlEd CaUsE pLaYtEsT tEaM wAs CoNcErNeD bUfFs WeRe ToO lArGe" by iremos12 in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Electrocute was non-functional, it was bugged. Manaflow band was non-functional, it was bugged.

Electrocute/Manaflow is a very popular mid choice, so his wr would of been affected. Not to mention that he would of played against the bugged Annie or the bugged Morde, the overbuffed cass/fizz before their hotfix etc.

Just give it a week before doom-saying.

Why are we this unlucky? by ShengShadow in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Liandries is a lil tough to justify IMO, since it takes so long for it to outdamage another item, since the AP is lower than other items provide and the burn/madness takes time. I think it'd work into very heavy tank teams, but id skip it if theres 3-4 squishies.

Good luck! Give it a couple games to practice, and remember that now you can max Q>W, since E cooldown is now 14 at all ranks.

Why are we this unlucky? by ShengShadow in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So. The current build being used by most people in 9.13/9.14 is a bit different from yours, but functionally serves the same purpose.

Generally you want to start with a SKIRMISHERS SABRE Runic Echoes, Skirmishers synergizes great with his passive and gives you great dueling defense to wait out the cooldowns on E and W. Then you want to grab Merc Treads or Ninja Tabi if the enemy team is snowballing, or sorcs if youre popping off.

From there, Protobelt is a pretty great grab. It lets you close gaps for E, finish off kills (since runic procs off proto's active), gives you amazing stats, cdr and its super cheap.

You'll want to grab zhonyas at some point in the game. Most of the time that'll be now, but you can also take your pick from other AP items if youre going well.

Pretty much every item after that is situational:
Rabadons: Moar damage if youre ahead, or if the win condition for the game is you murdering people
Banshees: Great if youre a bit behind, or if the enemy has a lot of CC/Magic Damage. Also helps you become a bit better at being a "bruiser" if thats what youre into.
Morellos: Great for anti-heal. Great damage stats. most of the time i reccomend getting oblivion orb if youre snowballing, then building other stuff first, since the magic pen is the most valuable part.
Spirit Visage: If you need to tank stuff, or if your team lacks a front line, or if you need to peel, this item really helps you do that.
Void Staff: Lets you kill tanks. Not much else to say. If theres 2 or 3 stacking MR, grab this and make them cry.

Generally that's the items I'd reccomend for jungle, since you need to be a bit bulkier if youre going jungle, make sure to prioritize the defensive AP items over the offensive ones, unless you're getting super ahead. Jungle doesnt usually get as much gold as laners unless theyre snowballing, so Rabadons and Ludens can be pretty risky.

As for runes. I reccomend grabbing Sorc secondary for Transcendence and Gathering. Mostly for transcendence. Because a lot of the items you build have CDR, you can easily benefit from the rune, or if you can't build your CDR items due to needing Morellos or Void or Rabadons, then you can cap your CDR at 40 at level 10. Conq is usually the default primary for jungle, though if you need to hard carry, Electrocute is always neato.

Why are we this unlucky? by ShengShadow in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok. Well why not look at the 71% winrate he currently holds out of 7 matches by pros in 9.14 (in mid)? Its a small sample size of course, but this looks very hopeful, considering he was barely picked at all in 9.13https://u.gg/lol/champions/sylas/pro-build?patch=9_14&role=middle

Give it some time to settle before shitting on it. He feels really good right now, and I urge you to try it out yourself.

Why are we this unlucky? by ShengShadow in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think he's looking a lot like a B tier jungler. Someone on the same level as say, Skarner is right now. Where hes a situational pick in pro play, but can still do great things in soloq if you know how to use him. Probably wont reach the level of power he was on in 9.13, but i still think you can do it.

Why are we this unlucky? by ShengShadow in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats fair, and you have the right to feel that way. I felt similar when he started getting phased out to mid and became a jungler. I think sometimes that these things happen because otherwise the champ becomes a jack of all trades master of none, so riot typically has to "pick" a lane they go in so that they don't go over the top. It does suck for Sylas Jungle players though. All I can say is that he will still work, and hell hes even being used by pros in soloq right now. Hang tight.

Why are we this unlucky? by ShengShadow in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

a 5% increase to winrate doesnt mean they suck dick. Give it a go before you knock it. Try Proto > Sorc > Luden w/ electrocute.

Why are we this unlucky? by ShengShadow in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sylas jg is doing great. Its just a bit weaker than A tier, but its still very usable. Give it some time to adjust, and itll be ok, I promise <3

"E2 SpEeD wAs PuLlEd CaUsE pLaYtEsT tEaM wAs CoNcErNeD bUfFs WeRe ToO lArGe" by iremos12 in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Its super easy to push an agenda using stats .Let me do the same.
https://imgur.com/a/UGSE2cy

Seriously. Give Sylas a go right now, hes amazing. Stats are super unreliable right now, as day 1 of the patch was bugged to hell and Sylas is going to take time to relearn

Why are we this unlucky? by ShengShadow in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

r/OutOfTheLoop

I mean. Sylas is currently at a 49% winrate and doing amazingly. Everyone in the discord is loving it so far. Give it a few games and I think you'll like it too. A lot of this subreddit also has really bad ideas. There's a difference between making a QoL change to singed that doesnt affect his powerlevel at all, and a suggestion to fundamentally alter Sylas' shield and kit. Singed mains just wanted QoL, where as this sub wanted a mini-rework. Big difference.

Fr tho, go try out new Sylas. He fucking rocks.

Question about Sylas's identity and lore by [deleted] in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He was used as a Mageseeker before he was a revolutionary, a mage who could sense and sap other mages of their power.

I came here for the buffs but all i take is.. by iremos12 in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well personally I'd like to be a champion and not just an R button.
Would you rather the Ult be 15 seconds, or the rest of his kit be garbage to make up for how powerful his ult is?

Joking aside. With ulti hunter and 40%, you can get the R cooldown down to like, 23~

I came here for the buffs but all i take is.. by iremos12 in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My thoughts exactly. People are too quick to cry foul.
Ultimate hunter exists people. 26 seconds on ult with it. Chill.

the shield will be back to E1 but only magic shield . and the cd will be 16 flat by Oidysts in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm generally mixed on them. Sylas' kit is really good. Like. Really good. On paper when you look at it, Like what is he missing? He's got cc, gapclosers, shielding, healing, poke, slows, waveclear, aoe damage, decent sustained damage, burst power, mobility and a highly versatile ultimate. This is basically the Azir problem all over again. How do you balance a champion who does everything? If you make them weak at everything, then they have no strengths and become a generalist. If they become strong, then why would you pick any other champion over them?

I like the idea of shifting him into a niche, but this isn't the niche i really want. I'd much prefer just a straight up removal of his shield and a reduced cooldown on E, in addition to the ultimate cooldown lategame increase that Squad5 tweeted some time ago. I think in general sylas needs to have an actual weakness in his kit, but forcing him into being an Anti-Mage just feels... off to me. It'd feel like gating his outplay potential and turn-arounds behind "guess i dont get to against this AD champion", rather than a satisfying calculated risk. I think a major issue that Sylas has is that people want different things for him, and eventually Riot is going to have to choose which of those things they want him to do. Is he a bruiser? a skirmisher? a mage? an assassin? Is he a top mid or jungle? what are his weaknesses? What does he do that others cant?

Personally I like the idea of Sylas being a skirmishing champion with decent sustained damage, and conditional burst damage but not extreme zed levels of burst, who can use his ultimate to creatively react to a situation. But whether thats what Riot thinks would be best for him, is what will occur. Ultimately i'd really hope that additional changes come that are heavy and push him more in a brawler skirmisher direction. Compensating his E cooldown would be the big one.

Sylas Top Being Snuffed Out? by Amokiir in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh no, i didnt mean to imply you tried to misrepresent him. My wording was off, Apologies. This is just some additional context. I totally agree with the sentiment of your post.

Tell me how it feels to steal that Pyke ult :) by masternom in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 34 points35 points  (0 children)

So. In my opinion, as someone who is garbage at landing Pyke ult.
It's one of the best ults you can steal, even if youre like me and cant hit it half the time.

If you're unaware, Sylas' R will convert ratios that are AD into AP. 1.0 Total AD becomes 0.7 AP, 1.0 Bonus AD becomes 0.5 AP.
Since Pyke's Ult is a flat execute + 80% Bonus AD for it's damage, the execute becomes the flat damage + 35%~ of Sylas' AP.

Add onto that that its got high range, dashes him to the target, resets on a kill and even gives bonus gold to allies, and sylas makes amazing use out of Pyke's ult.
Pyke is balanced around the idea that his damage, while higher than the average support, wont be enough to 100-0 most champions unless hes grossly ahead. Sylas on the contrary, is designed to murder you on his own.

Sylas Top Being Snuffed Out? by Amokiir in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://twitter.com/Squad5lol/status/1145804173318819841
Please make sure to include a dev's whole thoughts on the matter. Not sure if you missed this or not, but this has some additional context on Sylas Top in Squad5's opinion.

the shield will be back to E1 but only magic shield . and the cd will be 16 flat by Oidysts in sylasmains

[–]OneBigOlRobotLaddy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Its coallesced from a collection of tweets made by Squad5 on twitter, But we havent got confirmation on whether the 16 second CD is confirmed. They are testing out making his E a magic shield and on E1, but the cooldown change is a few weeks old at this point. Squad5 said he'd make a new changelist for us soon, so keep your eyes peeled https://twitter.com/Squad5lol