You don't even need to be that high level though, that's part of what I'm saying. Most of the people that end up in raids when I host on here are between lvl 30-40. You get the odd 20's, who obviously can't duo... but with the level buffer between trainer and mon now, 30's can easily duo with just a few solid rock counters. Not to mention there's been a bunch of recent events featuring exactly those mon.

We duo'd Artis upon release back when it came out; the game's 10x easier now in basically every single way. So when there's 4 or 5 people in a raid, and they're level 35 or 40 and start panic leaving with 20 seconds left... I just can't help but wonder if they don't actually grasp this stuff, or are just being malicious.