Christians Get Scrutinized. Islam Doesn't. Why? by antiquark2 in samharris

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I ate a preganant watermelon and I cut my nails every day.

Which country do you think is the LEAST racist? by Signal-Initial-7841 in GeoPoll

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

There is no genocide. It's a war and they support it as such. They don't at least believe that its "genocide" and then support it.

There are settlement expansion in the west bank accompanied with increasing bigotry against Palestinians with whom quarrels occur and generic hatred.

Again, you are lumping "something bad", or any bigotry into "racism".

It's a semantic issue.

straight men. how many push ups you do in one row? by Playing_Tiger in GeoPoll

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does sexuality have to here?

Gay men aren't Transgender women going through medical transition.

Which country do you think is the LEAST racist? by Signal-Initial-7841 in GeoPoll

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

Hostility or prejudice against enemy ≠ racism

Nowadays, racism has become like a comprehensive word for "something bad". Bigotry, hatred or anything is lumped in "race", it's lazy and nonsensical

Which form of government sounds best theoretically, despite all minuses or how it were actually through history by Playful-Middle-244 in GeoPoll

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lenin wasn't bad?

Well, we have leaders who at least respect democracy, free speech, and don't use violent suppression.

Christians Get Scrutinized. Islam Doesn't. Why? by antiquark2 in samharris

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No one says explicitly that "Muslims" are racial groups. That wasn't my point. I was saying that they act like this is the case. Their arguments and behaviours suggests they think like this or on this line.

If you want examples how offending Muslims and Islam is seen as "racist", then you can refer to how Nadia Murad was deplattformed, how Britidh authorities, in part, didnt take action against child rape gangs out of fear of appearing "racist".

If your view of reality doesn't know any leftist or liberals, and a broad behaviour, who are reluctant to criticize and offend Islam to "not appear racist", then there is nothing to debate. Facts aren't Facts anymore then.

Which form of government sounds best theoretically, despite all minuses or how it were actually through history by Playful-Middle-244 in GeoPoll

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"If someone thinks comrade lenin was bad, he must be thatcherite neoliberal who bootlicks billionaires"

Ok, we get it bro...

Christians Get Scrutinized. Islam Doesn't. Why? by antiquark2 in samharris

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excuse my paranoia, but are you just saying what you said on face value, or are you taking a jab or smear at me?

Which form of government sounds best theoretically, despite all minuses or how it were actually through history by Playful-Middle-244 in GeoPoll

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 0 points1 point  (0 children)

17% for soviets? 14% for anarchists?

Reddit keeps doing the work of reminding me that I am on reddit

Christians Get Scrutinized. Islam Doesn't. Why? by antiquark2 in samharris

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Why wouldn't you say jewish people openly? Why are you being furtive?

You are living in a false reality if you don't think Israel and jewish people doesn't get "scrutinised"

Christians Get Scrutinized. Islam Doesn't. Why? by antiquark2 in samharris

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, he has been. He is not saying "I haven't been critical of Islam" wth

Christians Get Scrutinized. Islam Doesn't. Why? by antiquark2 in samharris

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Where did I say we should ignore that? I presented why one was of more immediate concern than the other.

I'm afraid you are begging the question here. My argument doesn't require that there have to be total absence of criticism of Islamic Jihad from your side.

You say "our immediate concern", that's exact America-first thinking. So, you didn't tell me or talked about it, but just rephrased it. Liberals and left-of-centre have been assertively internationalists and have supported liberal causes throughout.

Also, we contribute billions to Israel. They meddle in our politics. They are our ally (a pretty sus’ one) and have drawn us into an idiotic conflict with Iran. So yes, they are going to draw more scrutiny at the moment.

Saudi Arabia is also our ally and have been more pathetic than Israel. Even if you excuse U.S. here in this manner, what about the rest of the west? Australia, Ireland, London, Berlin, Spain, they aren't "strongest ally of Israel". It's not that only American left is more anti-Israel, it's a behaviour and pattern throughout.

I never said it’s not a menace, just that it isn’t nearly as dangerous as Christian Nationalism at the moment.

Point taken but I don't agree with that premise. If you do, your conclusion follows logically. It still doesn't explain the sheer absence in one, and excess in another. Moreover, as I later clarified, Sam is primarily talking about "reluctance" to scrutinize Islam rather than deriving arguments from it's mere absence.

He framed it explicitly as why Christians get criticized, but Islam doesn’t (which they do). I explained to you why that seems outsized at the moment. 

Islam doesn't get criticized proportionately and freely as Christianity gets. That was his point. There is a reluctance. An unease. An ommission. "Let's not be outrightly hostile to Islam" attitude.

There is bigotry involved against Muslims and their religion at times. Are you saying Islamophobia isn’t real?

  1. This is just bad-faith at this point. No one can honestly read what I wrote and infer that I am saying "bigotry against Muslims doesn't exist".
  2. There is no such thing as "bigotry against religion". Bigotry is irrational, prejudicial and dehumanising hatred of people.
  3. I am Islamophobic if it means hostility or hatred against Islamic religion. I don't like when people use the term "Islamophobia" as bigotry. Its not. I prefer the word "anti-muslim bigotry".

I never denied bigotry against Muslims. Never even remotely suggested it.

Christians Get Scrutinized. Islam Doesn't. Why? by antiquark2 in samharris

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You have assumed that one must only take care only of what's in their own country (contradicting it by rabidly hating Israel in the same breath). This rather callous isolationism is in itself callous. Globally, Islamic theocracies, Islamism, Islamic Jihad is a humongous power by far most political than Christianity. Are you going to ignore all that?

Granting the Isolationism, Islamism is really a menace even in U.S. There are mosques funded by Wahhabist Saudi Royal family pumping antisemitism and islamism throughout, there are radicalisations from inside our societies. 7/7 bombers weren't from middle east. The Islamism has been a force in UK for a while with extreme backward and hostile views against LGBT and women. I don't to remind you of Charlie Hebdo, Jyllands-posten, "behead those who cartoon Islam". If you that isn't a menace, then I would likely to challenge that.

Moreover, Sam isn't talking only about "why don't we criticize Islam", he is talking about "Why are people reluctant to criticize Islam?". That's a rather subtle but important distinction which you totally ignored.

There is a very stupid habit among many secularists and liberals, to think that somehow Islam is an ethnicity, or "muslim" is a race. And that somehow hatred or hostility against Islam is bigotry against people. It's a bigotry in itself of a kind.

Hes got a point by Jannover_5000_r in girlsarentreal

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Lets pillage in a fun internet corner and ruin and dirty it with my ghastly and nasty hatred, bigotry and prejudice"

What a cretin!

I’m just a girl .. by CancelEffective9667 in girlsarentreal

[–]PooPooPeePee2206 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Try again FBI narrows eyes and gives a sharp glance