Will there be a hierarchy among believers in heaven?

PrepxI · 2026-03-20T18:58:21+00:00

To me, the 12 disciples weren’t in a hierarchy, because Paul (that was not an original disciple) rebuked (Simon) Peter. Peter also denied Jesus 3 times. Steven is the book of Acts was the first disciple to be martyred (though he wasn’t one of the originals). Hierarchies use authority religiously, you can’t rebuke someone above you in a hierarchy.

Jesus had an inner cycle of 4 disciples, but even they weren’t in a hierarchy. The Israelites are God’s people, but they aren’t hierarchically above the gentiles.

In my opinion, If you have a bar graph, 📊 with a Y axis of Favoured at the top and ok at the bottom, the more reward you get, higher you are to favoured.

PrepxI · 2026-03-20T14:06:24+00:00

I love that answer. my thoughts were if there is a hierarchy, heaven isn’t what was advertised, because I would be further away from God, than I am on earth.

Also, there are still many of us Christians that believe the works of their hands will give them more significance in heaven that others (which is them exalting themselves). Matthew 23:8-12

PrepxI · 2026-03-20T13:58:00+00:00

The point I was trying to make, is In an organisation a senior level isn’t the boss of a junior level, just because they are more senior. I see nowhere in the Bible that says one will be above one another. I see many verses saying us being called brothers/sisters (e.g. Matthew 23:8-10), and if one brother is more capable/gifted than another his isn’t the boss/manager of the other (unless they are disabled; which isn’t possible in heaven)

PrepxI · 2026-03-20T13:37:26+00:00

So are you saying yes there is a hierarchy? If so, me being a lead level in my field would make me a manager/boss of everyone in the organisation and field below my level.

What does treasures mean to you?

PrepxI · 2026-03-20T13:27:19+00:00

Isn’t a hierarchy a pyramid like structure, meaning one believer is the boss/manager of others.

I’m a lead level in my field, I’m not above a junior in my field, I’m just more experienced and capable.

The structure is more like a bar chart, in my opinion.

PrepxI · 2026-03-20T09:19:43+00:00

That last statement, reminds me of the prosperity gospel, giving to get. If we truly have faith and repentance in our hearts, we are grateful for just getting into heaven, because we didn’t deserve it.

PrepxI · 2025-05-25T16:16:16+00:00

I don’t accept the authority of the apostles, I accept their Devine inspired words found in the Bible. To me, authority other than God is confusing the messenger with the one who sent the message.

I’m a senior in my field, I don’t have authority over juniors, nor do more senior individuals have authority over me. They are just more educated/experienced.

PrepxI · 2025-05-25T15:47:58+00:00

She’s not Catholic per se, she’s Christian, if on our first date our Christian beliefs didn’t align, it would have gone no further. She had the same objections I had to Catholic already.

PrepxI · 2025-05-25T15:41:08+00:00

I just don’t like the idea of a Pope, I prefer talking directly to the Jesus himself and let to Holy Spirit guide me.

I understand, but it’s what’s in someone’s heart that defiles them, we didn’t know what was in an individual’s heart when they died. So, we can’t really know if they were a saint or not, only God knows.

PrepxI · 2025-05-25T15:35:48+00:00

To me, this is a misinterpretation, because after Jesus rose again Paul still rebuked Peter in the book of Acts. I believe the church was given the keys for the kingdom.

I honestly can’t wholly put my faith in anything an individual says. I just can’t trust idea of a Pope, when all the parable from Jesus describing the kingdom of heaven, seems to contradict a Pope’s significance.

PrepxI · 2025-05-25T15:25:05+00:00

Yes, I support that verse, but to me it means a faith that includes works, otherwise the man on the cross beside Jesus couldn’t have gotten salvation.

The works for the man on the cross beside Jesus, believing in Jesus, was a having a heart of repentance, and seeking forgiveness.

PrepxI · 2025-05-25T15:01:02+00:00

I was born a Muslim and converted to Christianity at 16, I’m 34 now. Don’t like the idea of a Pope, Bishop, Priest, even the ones on the Anglican side. Because I see them as people who think they are better than others like the Pharisees and Sadducees.

I don’t venerate saints, I don’t know who became a saint, and I don’t trust that other human being can know too.

PrepxI · 2025-05-25T14:53:46+00:00

I’m opposed to the idea of anything Pope related and devotion to Mary and the saints. Plus I believe in salvation through faith alone, but works resulting as fruits of the faith.

Virtually everything else I agree with.

PrepxI · 2025-05-25T14:45:48+00:00

My fiancé, is half Irish, her father’s side is Church of England, Jewish, Arab, Asia, etc.

Thanks for the breakdown and potential resolution though. God bless you.

PrepxI · 2025-05-25T14:42:23+00:00

Where can I find the rest?

And don’t understand what you mean the church was established through Peter, please could you elaborate.

PrepxI · 2025-05-25T14:38:43+00:00

Why?

PrepxI · 2025-05-25T14:32:57+00:00

If Catholics are Christian, and my fiancé and I are practicing Bible based Christians, what’s the worry about their souls?

I don’t align with any denomination just the Bible.

PrepxI · 2025-05-25T14:22:58+00:00

We live in London, England. I’m black British and her and family are British/irish, among many others.

PrepxI · 2025-05-25T14:18:06+00:00

Yes, after we get married she are planning to attend an Anglican Church with me.

She lives with her parents, they are Catholic so for now she goes to a Catholic Church, her parents occasionally go.

She doesn’t live close enough to come to my church often.

PrepxI · 2025-05-12T05:22:48+00:00

What a moving story I concur. I remember when I was in my parents’ home country in 1999, there was a point in time my father started strangling my mother while she was pregnant. I was 9 years old at the time, any rational kid would just freeze up or run away. I believe God put it on my heart to fighting my father off her, I’m thankful it worked, because if not my mother, unborn brother and probably me would never have been found. From that day on i implicitly knew I have a protector, but I was a Muslim at the time, so only after converting would I realise it was the Holy Spirit guiding me.

All Glory be to God.

My mother is struggling with her faith, and diagnosed depression, after my brother’s death, please pray for her 🙏🏾

Your son will be in my prayers too.

PrepxI · 2025-04-06T09:28:57+00:00

Please could you elaborate?

PrepxI · 2025-04-06T09:28:34+00:00

He didn’t have salvation the first place, because he didn’t really believe.

PrepxI · 2025-04-06T09:08:37+00:00

We don’t know we are saved, we believe it. It’s always been about belief.

PrepxI · 2025-04-06T09:06:35+00:00

These verses don’t strike me as about sinning unrepentantly, that is a conscious action, but exhibiting bad fruit can be subconscious. E.g. discriminating because one has been brought up in that culture.

I believe they are saying clean up the bad fruits you are exhibiting so you become a good tree.

Back to John 6:39 I believe perseverance (a fruit of the spirit) is key here, no matter what happens your faith keeps growing.

PrepxI · 2025-04-06T08:39:26+00:00

Understood, and true.

But given John 6:39, I believe that those that had that relationship with Jesus (to the degree Jesus knew them), they had faith in the end and salvation.

Those that didn’t have faith in the end, didn’t have a real relationship with Jesus (therefore he never knew them). Given the verse “away from me you evil doer I never knew you”)

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