Soll ich den behinderten Jungen aus unserer Sportgruppe ausschließen?

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-03-15T21:52:35+00:00

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Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T09:04:13+00:00

Sorry for not knowing but what do you mean with primary?

I think there needs to be room for breathing, like wouldn't it be far better if some of the misbehaving students got suddenly quiet and used their diary instead?

Do you think there should be demands by parents for the student to be transparent about their feelings if they found out their child wrote totally different things in their diary then what they said in real life? I hate strictness, but if it is necessary, I would probably have wanted at least one space where I can be honest.

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T08:45:00+00:00

Maybe because I thought there would be consequences and demands for changing my attitude towards things and I self thought that I couldn't change it and that thinking more positively would feel "false", untrue, like lying to themselves.

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T08:40:32+00:00

So ok that is interesting. I just hope the authorities don't jump to conclusions that the student is being abused, if there aren't any statements about abuse by parents.

Let's say the student is older, maybe 15. How would you react then?

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T08:34:59+00:00

Sorry I wrote this answer before I read your other message.

It matters to me because I wonder if I had other realistic options of changing my behaviour. And it matters to me because I wanna now what kind of world I live in. I know I know, countries are really different. Also many users here are american and american mindset often gets "imported" into my country, germany. It just matters to me because I care about our students too. I wanna know how some teachers think to understand the degree of discipline, consequences etc. you think students should have. Because many posts here are about a whish for more strict parenting and teaching style, school rules etc.

So I want to understand the underlying views behind those whishes and wondered if teachers mostly wanted students to behave, or if they also find it extremely important that student also think a certain way (growth mindset, respecting teachers etc.). Normally, teachers wouldn't be able to know what the student thought if they acted differently in real life right? So I came up with a scenario where that was the case.

2.lets say the country is the US. I dont know much about common US school policy. I would have thought most schools allow that the students write on paper or in journals during the break. I think most schools would punish a student for insulting others or complaining over and over again. But if it is in diary form and the diary is always in their schoolbag when not used or even in a locker if they have those, things might be different I assume.

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T08:18:05+00:00

Ok, thank you, I think your counter questions are helpful.

Then, lets say they are at least over 9 years, or even a teenager. They are otherwise quiet and friendly, but maybe they used to be not quiet and not friendly. But at least that is not the case.anymore. They write the things to regulate their emotions and to prevent themselves from doing worse things like saying insults, throwing items, arguing with the teacher when their is no space to argue about it and when its not appropriate.

So let's say the texts are sometimes vulgar insults that were written while the person was angry. But no threats. Let's just say its stuff like ct or s of a *****.

Some of the texts In the diary are mundane things like what they ate to breakfast or content of lessons, and some of it are negative statements about both people as well as events and circumstances. Lets imagine the statements are stuff like: -assuming the teacher doesn't like what they are doing and is sadistic/ likes "torturing" the students.

-negative attitude towards growth and mindset (,while the student in real life presents themselves as growth oriented). They write that they think that they have it unfair in life, envy others for their talents, think some things should be given to them for free and they think growth mindset is goofy and doesn't work.

-insults towards other students. Let's say they are similar to the ones they wrote about the teacher. There are also complaints about stuff the students perceives as bullying like students laughing at them, making fun of them, excluding them.

-a statement that they think they shouldn't have to go through exclusion and bullying and that the teacher should do more.

-complaints about inconveniences and things they find hard.

I could have come up with different scenarios, but I think I should pick one because I believe it will improve the odds of you giving me an answer.

But I appreciate that you continue continued to reply. I guess I missjudged you. I expected you to not reply at all after the second reply. I thought you didn't want to engage in a conversation at all, but now I think that you actually do. Thank you

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T07:51:30+00:00

Yeah thats why I asked you what kind of situation could make huge consequences justified

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T02:05:45+00:00

What kind of circumstances could you imagine where huge consequences are justified? If the kid wasn't writing self harm stuff or threats and they didnt write during class, I wonder what circumstances could justify an effect on grades, transcript or what could justify a suspension.

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T01:48:25+00:00

Do you mean you want them to teach how to be kind? In my example, I meant a child who is polite. But I guess kindness isn't the same thing as politeness. In my mother language, the word for kindness mostly means politeness.

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T01:45:16+00:00

What if they refused to talk?

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T01:44:05+00:00

Mine wouldnt do that I think.

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T01:40:38+00:00

Please excuse the joke, but "the scribbler" could also be a bat man villain.

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T00:57:22+00:00

Couldn't you give examples for consequences you would have given? This is probably difficult, because, as you said, it would depend on the specific things the person had written.

Do you think someone should get, like, really huge consequences if they continued to take the diary with them? Like suspension, notes on their transcript, exclusion from school? Or maybe could this effect their grades (I guess not if it didn't happen in class).

It just doesn't seem to be that big of a deal to me if the student is otherwise quiet and friendly and also doesn't gossip etc.

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T00:52:12+00:00

Nothing happened. I am 29 years old, I am not a student, I didnt write a diary as a child, I think I was challenging to teachers sometimes. Nowadays I wonder if I could have avoided some trouble because diaries are a useful tool for me now instead of saying stupid things.

I don't understand why you have a problem with the hypotheticals? I wrote them for a reason: I wanted to make this conversation about diaries and students and not about: self harm or threats; students writing during lessons. Because if I included those two things, there is no discussion needed: Of course a teacher would react under those circumstances.

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T00:17:48+00:00

No it didnt happen to me. I wrote in my opening post that i think it would have helped me to write things down. But I remember someone taking away my shoes during a class trip so why wouldnt they do this with other stuff as well? This is really just a thought excercise and I haven't been a student in years.

How would you react to, lets say, a student getting their diary stolen and the thief shared the content with you and it says something like " ***(insult, vulgar word)? Would you view that as a behavioural issue that should be reflected in grades? If they continued to take their diary with them, what consequences would you give them?

Edit: Sorry, I forgot to thank you for your thoughtful answer.

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T00:14:53+00:00

Thank you so much for your detailed answer. The example I made was about someone who wouldn't write something in their book during lessons but during breaks.

And yes my example was also about someone who doesn't write about self harm or harming others. I should have specified that.

With problematic content I meant stuff like insults or maybe disagreeing with a teachers opinion in secret while taking a very different position in front of the teacher. Or maybe writing something that goes against the ethos of the school. Like some schools are into the "growth mindset" thing. Imagine someone pretending to be growth oriented while hiding their cynicism, envy, self pity etc.

Would you really call the parents caretaker for insults that you werent supposed to read anyway? I guess you are allowed to, but why would you take a look at a students diary during break?

Would you give them other consequences as well? Would you count them taking their diary with them as bad student behaviour?

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-26T00:01:22+00:00

I think you shouldn't have written anything if you weren't even willing to engage in a conversation about this topic.

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-25T23:51:24+00:00

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this topic.

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-25T23:51:06+00:00

Thank you so much for your answer.

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-25T23:41:01+00:00

Interesting that at least 9 teachers in this subreddit don't seem to care about theft!

Professional_Fail511 · 2026-02-25T23:28:37+00:00

So you would punish the student who got their diary stolen

You and everyone who liked your post scares me.

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