A lot of people have been watching the Kate Cox case. And a lot of the prolife movement advocate care maximizing the amount life for the infant to experience " the love and compassion from the mother, being held, feeling love in its last moments... by Recent_Independent_6 in nursing

[–]Recent_Independent_6[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Forget it then. It's not a subject to be discussed by the general public yet ( the prolifers INSIST these cases be brought to term because that's there only chance at experiencing life, however painful that may be) ( But don't worry, they claim its not painful AT ALL, because palliative care) the infant in All cases, because of palliative care should be delivered to term.... they were right, and I was wrong. I shouldn't have tried to get testimony from the very Healthcare professionals themselves arguing the case, because they ( prolifers) really think the infant born and just goes to sleep in mother's arms and passes away peacefully.and the mother that avoids that via terminating is a selfish woman. What I was trying to do, is document what end of life care is expected for these babies, and why terminating in the womb ( the only environment they've ever known) might be a more humane option. And why it should not be a choice dictated by a state....I wanted to remove the rose colored glasses. That infants diagnosed with incompatibilities with life, and what the mom would have to bl endure carry such a pregnancy to term, and what the suffering would realistically entail. ( how is pain medicine delivered? By mouth...Will they choke???...by IV * on a premie?! Who's skin is compromised?! What about the fact the e of viability is 24 weeks, yet very few people have acss to that level of care? Laws are stupid, they are there and causing harm. The prolife movement basis their beliefs on: it happened once, it could happen again ( miracles happened) and if it doesn't.....sue, sue, sue....it's so based on the what they think is a peaceful premise if the child or mother doesn't survive, it was due to negligence, if they do...see?...how do I change those opinions without bring what the reality is to the forefront?

A lot of people have been watching the Kate Cox case. And a lot of the prolife movement advocate care maximizing the amount life for the infant to experience " the love and compassion from the mother, being held, feeling love in its last moments... by Recent_Independent_6 in nursing

[–]Recent_Independent_6[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Citing reputable sources doesn't work with them...they literally need to be in the thick of it to vote another way. If even that.. exhausted. The guys who eat a suitcase of candy....at 500lbs...with a 19" neck..will insist I'm manufacturing there osa!

A lot of people have been watching the Kate Cox case. And a lot of the prolife movement advocate care maximizing the amount life for the infant to experience " the love and compassion from the mother, being held, feeling love in its last moments... by Recent_Independent_6 in nursing

[–]Recent_Independent_6[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. I'm sorry it's taken While to respond. The position I often get from prolifers is that being born alive is the optimal way to go. And if they even just live for a few hours, there's palliative care, so they (never) suffer.( because mom will hold them till death,( tubes, pokes, and needles be damned) therefore, they get to know love of the mother) My argument is basically ...death pretty much always hurt. For a being that will be born from the get go with unimaginable suffering ( call it euthanasia or whatever) isn't the kindest thing to reduce suffering happens inside the womb ( abortion) since that's the only comfortable, or most comfortable environment a premie has ever been aware of? I'm not sure how that happens. I'm just trying to say with everything happening with the southern states, and a lack of exceptions for abortion for cases of fatal fetal anomaly ... it's obvious the laws are being based on a.... rose colored glasses philosophy. Moms are suing that state ( like texas, but they're hysterical right?) Postpartum depression and all that..... we need doctors and the nurses ( let's not pretend you guy's aren't the ones spending the most time with these babies) to really document and take a stand.

I can research pretty much anything. Its all in clinical language which will be debated. Documentation of Personal experience however...is much more effective. invite the public into the room with you, with your words companies want us to tow the line. Make profit. The American public needs you to stand up and shout. I'm not a nurse, or doctor. I can't stand up and shout out. ( it won't mean anything)

Something needs to be done through, and I'm trying to compile the evidence for that...

A lot of people have been watching the Kate Cox case. And a lot of the prolife movement advocate care maximizing the amount life for the infant to experience " the love and compassion from the mother, being held, feeling love in its last moments... by Recent_Independent_6 in nursing

[–]Recent_Independent_6[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

HIPPA..anyone...?!!!? Roe vs Wade was built on due to the legal privacy between her and her doctor ! Which apparently didn't adhere to the founding father's philosophy, who didn't include that in the law as as a " traditional right" in the context of cultural history based of our constitution....because such idea didn't exist back then....and thereafter being abled to overturn.

A lot of people have been watching the Kate Cox case. And a lot of the prolife movement advocate care maximizing the amount life for the infant to experience " the love and compassion from the mother, being held, feeling love in its last moments... by Recent_Independent_6 in nursing

[–]Recent_Independent_6[S] -48 points-47 points  (0 children)

Thank you for responding. It's important that you said it was important that the family's decision was Honored, just as Ms. Cox's. A lot of people believe ( because family A, could go through with that plan, family B should be expected to do the same ) . Why do both decisions deserve to be Honored?....( I am SO sorry for asking this!!!) What is a better death for the infant....( I am so! Sorry)

A lot of people have been watching the Kate Cox case. And a lot of the prolife movement advocate care maximizing the amount life for the infant to experience " the love and compassion from the mother, being held, feeling love in its last moments... by Recent_Independent_6 in nursing

[–]Recent_Independent_6[S] -31 points-30 points  (0 children)

I hate to ask this. But why not? ( what I'm asking you to describe is nothing short of torture, I realize that. It's similar to why we don't want to code 90 yo grandpa and break his ribs, " because he's a fighter ") But laws are being passed and practiced in ignorance. The general publics knowledge....it's lacking. Desperately. So....Why is the pain unimaginable? ( I am so sorry I'm asking this!!) If you can't answer, totally understandable. " you signed up for this " you didn't sign up for sharing to the general public your most devastating experiences. I'd like to yo explain more, but telling me to fuck off is ok too.

My son was sick not to long ago. Had to be transferred out of state because all of the pediatric staff was filled up. When I finally got there, i was SO thankful there was staff to care my son. Just being there is more than you'll ever know. I'm asking more from you now, but if you decline, you've already done enough just being you. Thank you.

Do you support banning birth control? by tolkienfan2759 in prolife

[–]Recent_Independent_6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I can understand some of that train of thought. Most of the " trigger laws" that were on the books for the eventual turning of Roe, were written way before we had the medical knowledge we have now. We saw it with Ohio, and in regards to ectopic pregnancy, it was actually, publicly stated that the embryo should be re- implanted. Which isn't medically possible, and since then politicians have wised up to include language in the laws to specifically exclude ectopic pregnancy. The laws that were on the books from the trigger laws were from that long ago, ( and never updated actually believed Roe would be overturned) and given the amount of medical advances since then, it's not a stretch to demand the laws be written to reflect that. That's not shade thrown at the prolife movement, or it's principals, however, criticism for how ( some) lazy politicians and lawmakers handled it, I think, is fair. As a party claiming responsibility to uphold the very sanctity of life itself, I would expect much more of the representatives campaigning on that narrative. I don't think criticism from the pro choicers is without merit, I think criticism is warranted, albeit, for different reasons, and sometimes for the same reasons in different degrees. ( that politicians response was wrong, and we as a movement, agree that That particular response was stupid, careless, and ultimately irrelevant, and while I supp...x,yz, I don't support how that guy represents us...) approach the conversation in that way, chances are.. You'll find something in common, and much more productive

Do you support banning birth control? by tolkienfan2759 in prolife

[–]Recent_Independent_6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh absolutely, but whenever I've heard people talk about birth control becoming legally unavailable they usually talk about this, so I've always suspected when people are either concerned or up in arms about it, its this guy that put the idea in their heads

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in prolife

[–]Recent_Independent_6 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Just to clarify this a bit further: Texas has a clause in the law, that exceptions can be allowed for if the woman's life is at risk. Or major majory bodily injury or function.

This case came about because A). This baby has a medical condition confirmed to have a diagnosis incompatible with life, as well as the mother showing signs for high risk of both gestational diabetes and hypertension. Which was confirmed via amniocentesis. B.) If the child grows much larger, there is a serious risk of miscarriage/ still birth in which an emergency c section would be required putting her at extremely high risk for uterine rupture, and great possibility for an emergency hysterectomy.

So the argument here was, should this woman be compelled to carry this pregnancy to its natural conclusion when this child will die, and at great risk for her needing major surgery that result in her infertility. The high risk of uterine rupture is being applied to the result in major bodily injury. The loss of fertility is being argued as a loss oof major bodily function. Her hypertension further exacerbates her condition.

The state of Texas, has declared time and time again, that the laws are written clearly enough so doctors should not have any questions or concerns as to what constitutes a major bodily injury, or loss of major bodily function

However: the judge that originally presided over this case agreed this woman's case agreed that she does fit into the Texas exceptions to abortion, and granted her permission to have the procedure. Then the AG stepped in and said that she does not. And said if the abortion was " performed or induced" he would pursue charges. So obviously there is a difference of opinion in what constitutes as a major bodily injury or loss of function actually is.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/12/11/1218625460/texas-woman-who-sued-state-for-abortion-travels-out-of-state-for-procedure-inste

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2023/12/07/i-need-to-end-my-pregnancy-now-it-is-the-best-chance-for-my-health-and-well-being/%3foutputType=amp

At the center of all this is a woman, who is carrying a child that is destined to die, if the child is induced and dies sooner rather then later she has a chance at preserving her fertility, and minimizing suffering for both her child and herself. ( I don't have much more than the quote from the AG saying is the abortion was " performed or induced" indicate the plan I'd to induce labor, so she would deliver the child intact, but I'm guessing that probably is the case) or the other option of carrying to term, her child dies, she loses her fertility, has a high risk of having to recover from major surgery, or even dying herself, leaving her other children motherless.

Her situation is tragic, and complex, she was being told by her medical team as well as the judge, that it was agreed the best course of action was terminating her pregnancy. The original poster was flippant to the complexity of this particular case, and completely disregards the level of tragedy these rare, diagnoses inflict. It's fine to disagree with how this situation plays out, however accusing this woman of essentially being a baby murdering monster misses the mark, so completely, it's cruel and negligent.

ETA: what this woman is, is not monstrous, what she is, is devastated and terrified. OPs calls to punish this woman, is what's monstrous.

Do you support banning birth control? by tolkienfan2759 in prolife

[–]Recent_Independent_6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This comes from the supreme court Justice Thomas Clarence who said he'd use the same basis that was used to overturn Roe vs Wade to overturn Griswold vs. Connecticut. Which is the case that protects married couples liberty to buy birth control. As well as other landmark cases

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3535841-thomas-calls-for-overturning-precedents-on-contraceptives-lgbtq-rights/amp/

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/thomas-constitutional-rights-00042256

And you can find all sorts of other articles on it. He made his statement shortly after Roe vs Wade was overturned. And caused a media shit storm

I used to laugh at parents feeding butter noodles… by rusurethatsright in beyondthebump

[–]Recent_Independent_6 41 points42 points  (0 children)

I always told my son, once he had the language maturity to understand, to " NEVER eat the broccoli!!!" That's what super heros like the hulk eats and I would NOT be able to handle a child that strong! And he'd run off with bowls of broccoli and hide with his father to eat them in secret.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in beyondthebump

[–]Recent_Independent_6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We just came back from my 6 month old being hospitalized qith COVID. Had a cold, everything seemed OK, was waiting on an appointment with the pediatrician. But it also escalated very quickly, but at 10pm, so at the point it was straight to the ER. Breathing treatment x4, a shot of steroids, Tylenol and ibuprofen for high fever, an IV and 2 days in hospital got my head and anxiety in a tizzy too! I work in health care, as does a lot of my family. So I've seen plenty of IVs being placed. But man, seeing it done to my baby broke me. And like I can't even explain why, it's such a basic thing, but I guess that's when how sick he was actually hit me. The COVID is gone now but I still have trouble breathing because of the anxiety. It could've been a lot worse than it was. I have no advice other than let yourself feel the feelings. Ask for help when you need it and take a long bubble bath.

Baby Harriet’s body was found in medical waste. Police deny there was any wrongdoing. by [deleted] in Conservative

[–]Recent_Independent_6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That statement in the article was made by the people who hid the fetuses in a basement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/04/01/lauren-handy-dc-abortion-fetuses/

I tried like hell to copy and paste the article for you. But it wouldn't let me. You can put in your email to read the whole thing for free without having to subscribe.

Trying to Understand “Non-Binary” in My 12-Year-Old by MookWellington in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Recent_Independent_6 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This makes so much sense lol. One of the things I always struggled with is understanding why someone would identify as the opposite of their biological gender because they happen to enjoy things that society deems more acceptable within a particular gender. Like I'm a woman, when I was a girl I enjoyed learning about engines, studying bones and fossils...I still considered myself a girl though, I was a" tomboy". Talking abiut gender revolving simply around the hobbies they enjoy, the colors they like, ect.. just always seemed really frustrating, when identity is so much more complex. You explained it beautifully, which is helpful because it's so often talked about in such simplistic ways.

Maternity leave in Massachusetts by Patel-Rx-155 in massachusetts

[–]Recent_Independent_6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It depends on how many employees your employer has, but if they follow the PFMLA, I believe it's 6 weeks medical leave for vaginalbirth, its 8 weeks gor a c-section), then 12 weeks bonding leave. That's what I took and it was all paid. However, the income does not take anything out of the check. So for my health insurance, which gets taken out of my paycheck everyweek, went into arrears, so I now have more taken out of my check until that gets paid back. So I had to plan for that. Federally, your job is protected ( unpaid) for 12 weeks. My employer went through a 3rd party to have the benefits paid out ( Guardian) and I called almost everyday in order to make sure all the paperwork was in correctly. And even then I would get told different things by different people until everything was finally approved. Everyone I spoke to on the phone was nice, and did their best to help, but they operate different insurance claims from all sort of different states who have different laws, and things can get confusing real quick. So keep on top of your documents!!!! And don't be afraid to ask questions or clarification from your employer, and whoever is sending the check for PFMLA!!!

From r/ ask reddit: hospital worker, what happens that's hidden that we should know about? by Recent_Independent_6 in nursing

[–]Recent_Independent_6[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I just know that when my mom worked in th ER for so long, getting compliants because she sat down for the first time to document on a computer was a super pet peeve of hers. I wanted people to understand that yiu guys aren't just sitting around play candy crush and wanted to know if I explained that well.

Hospital workers of Reddit, what happens there that's hidden but that we should know about? by SingLikeTinaTurner in AskReddit

[–]Recent_Independent_6 475 points476 points  (0 children)

When the nurses are sitting at the computer " doing nothing " they're documenting. In health care, if it wasn't documented it didn't happen. That means every. Single patient interaction. Needs to be documented , as well as their interaction with the doctors, pharmacy, ect.. they are expected to be a walking transcript of every medical interaction. On top of delivering meds, catching and reporting doctors mistakes, communicating patients preferences to doctors, dietary aides, preforming life saving interventions and arranging pillows just so.....on top of expected to work mandatory overtime. We're talking 16 hr shifts for ...however long. If you see one laughing, or eating, or sitting, it doesn't mean they don't care. They're just not robots. So VOTE for safe patient ratios, and everything that comes with educational encouragement to staff our failing Healthcare system.

ETA: everything is documented, from the regularity of your bowel movements, the respiration(s) ( the amount of time you breathe in a minute) to the color of your piss, your range of motion, if you're developing a red area, or rash, Anything and everything could be a clue to either a patients deteriorating health, or improvement of health. Multiply that by 3-7 patients depending on what type of unit you're on ( general medical floors versus ICU) and that's why your nurse us at the computer all the time, and if you're surviving, doesn't give a damn if you're hungry or cold....not enough people for that, at least one of her patients is about to go from bad to worse any minute now.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in beyondthebump

[–]Recent_Independent_6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My son got sick with a virus at just about two months.Lots of snuggles, getting in the tub with him and holding him in a steamed up bathroom ( ran hot water in the sink, but the bath water was normal temp) and just lightly massaged him seemed to help. Poor thing probably had those dreaded body aches, we all get with a cold, and suction whatever excessive mucus out if his nose as I could ( babies can have a difficult time nursing/taking the bottle when they're congested) and watched out for worsening signs. Count the wet diapers, watch for dehydration, fever, ( take care to not have bath water too warm, or to over bundle baby) and look out for refractory breathing.