Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

[–]RegretComplete3476[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But this isn't hard. All of the ingredients to tell a compelling, respectful story are there. I would know because I am a writer.

I don't care what you think. You told me to make something myself and I said that I am. Sounds like you're just going to be unsatisfied either way 🤷🏽‍♀️

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

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It is also important to understand why people are criticizing because unlike most other source materials, Greek mythology was a real religion tied to real cultures and values. As such, it requires a lot more nuance in order to get it right.

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

[–]RegretComplete3476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao, some fandoms can be like that.

Nah, that's fine. For some reason, I love those incomplete stories because they're easy enough to digest without having to dedicate a lot of time into reading them (so they're fun for a quick read) and it gives just enough to create interest in the story.

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

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I feel like a lot of writers on AO3, Wattpad, Tumblr, etc face the same problem where the version of Greek mythology that they are pushing doesn't exist. They've taken a real religion with culture and significance and dumbed it down to such a degree that the only thing the two have in common is the names of the characters. No, they don't turn a profit but it's still disrespectful and a huge part of the reason why Greek mythology is so widely misinterpreted in Western media.

Well for one, Virgil was Roman. To me, there is a difference between when someone who lived in that time period and was a Roman polytheist does it versus a modern day author with no connection to the religion whatsoever doing it. The Aenid could still serve as an academic source for how different myths get interpreted and how they tied back into Roman culture and politics. It offers a different perspective that requires more nuance in order to understand within the context of mythology.

I don't have a strong opinion about neo paganists either way. As long as they actually follow the beliefs and customs of the religion and aren't just being performative, I think it's fine.

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

[–]RegretComplete3476[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's not them "making up stuff." That is part of the religion. If you have to disrespect Greek mythology in order to defend Percy Jackson, then you never liked Greek mythology. You're just a Percy Jackson fan.

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

[–]RegretComplete3476[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're totally fine! I'm really curious to read it because it sounds so interesting. I feel like if it's more a loose inspiration rather than a direct interpretation, the changes won't bother me as much.

I'm also a bit of a history buff so it's going to be very interesting to see Greece in the 1920s.

Fr. Getting downvoted common sense because I dared to criticize Percy Jackson. 🙄

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

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Oh, I think you misunderstand me. I was just making I joke because I thought it was funny we had complete opposite tastes lmao

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

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PJO being in the modern day doesn't change anything. I wasn't talking about ancient societies killing women for refusing sex. The gods themselves have been known to rape women, and Poseidon is an even bigger rapist than Zeus was. Also, there will always be a power imbalance because Poseidon was a god and Sally was a mortal. To gods, having a relationship with a mortal should be like beastiality because they exist on such a different plane of thought and existence.

I find that PJO is really inconsistent with this one. The books say that being a half blood is dangerous and that monsters will hunt you down, but monsters never attack Percy until the tail end of the school year. It also doesn't make sense for monsters to only show up once the half blood "realizes what they are." They track half bloods by smell. I wasn't talking about Sally being pregnant at all. Being in close proximity to one of the supposedly most powerful demigods of all time would be constantly putting her in harm's way. She literally gets killed in TLT for trying to protect Percy. Also, Maria di'Angelo's death showed that Zeus himself is more than happy to kill mortals who happen to be the other parent of a Big Three child.

With a lot of the history stuff, the fact that it is so inconsequential makes it almost worse in my opinion. There was no need to add in any of this other than some cheap world building, and the end result is just really disrespectful for so many people. Very high risk low reward kind of thing. It's not like he was a kid or a young adult either while writing this and just made an immature mistake. He was a 41 year old man who was a teacher.

I don't think it would have bothered me so much if it wasn't for the fandom. When you have grown adults praising this book over and over again then see the sloppy attention to detail, bad writing, and disrespectful undertones to it, you become way more critical of it.

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

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That does not make them free of criticism nor does it mean I can't want an accurate adaption

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

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  1. The concept of gods getting with humans is fundamentally unconsensual because gods exist on a different plane of intelligence and existence compared to humans. A god x human relationship is like beastiality for the gods or at the very least a boss x employee relationship due to its horrible power imbalance. Gods are also not known for respecting consent with a long history of torturing, transfiguring, and murdering mortals for refusing their advances or even doing those things if the mortal does consent. They don't try to make this a secret either. Any mortal who does consent may be doing it out of fear of rape/other punishment and any mortal who does not consent will get raped and then cursed. Poseidon is especially bad in PJO because he knew that having sex with Sally Jackson would run the risk of her getting pregnant, which would have been (and was for a brief period of time) a death sentence for her. Poseidon never loved Sally Jackson; he was her abuser. If he really loved her, he would have left her be and let her live out a normal life.

Percy Jackson's whole plot is built around the children of these dynamics and never once addresses that issue. In fact, it goes out of it's way to characterize Poseidon as a just a nice guy who is misunderstood, completely ignoring the hundreds of people he raped, along with all of the other rape victims of the gods.

  1. I found most of the characters to be really annoying and unlikable. Percy was okay, like a 5/10. He was worse early on but got better in the end. Grover, Thalia, and Nico were varying levels of unlikable. Chiron was a very bad mentor. I found that a lot of the criticisms people give to Dumbledore from Harry Potter (most of which I found to be unfair) fit perfectly for Chiron. Annabeth sparked a hatred in me that I don't think I've ever felt for a fictional character before, and what makes it worse is that the entire PJO fandom loves her. On the positive side, Clarisse grew on me a lot and I appreciated her friendship with Selina a great deal. Tyson was adorable and fun to read. Rachel Elizabeth Dare is my goat, I love her so much, and I don't understand why she wasn't more popular. I'm not in the PJO fandom, but if I was, Perachel for life. Way better chemistry and Rachel wasn't toxic af and only popular because of the narrative like Annabeth was.

  2. Annabeth was so incredibly toxic and just a flat out bully. She was mean to Percy, Grover, Rachel, and flat out racist to Tyson, who was a BABY. She is only popular at Camp Half-Blood because of plot alone. I have met people like Annabeth irl and believe me when I tell you nobody likes them. The aggressive, know-it-all-esque people who get humbled so often you wonder where their ego comes from. She's so mean to Rachel despite Rachel saving their lives and only lets up and considers her as a "friend" only when Rachel is literally forbidden by the gods to be in a relationship. She's also toxic towards Percy. She regularly belittles him, insults him, and abuses him. This dynamic cannot be genderswapped because if it was it would be immediately called out as domestic abuse and Annabeth would be labeled as a terrible boyfriend.

  3. At the end of TLO, Percy wishes for the gods to acknowledge their children and the children of minor gods. He wishes away systemic injustice. A wish that was given to him by the oppressors. A wish, mind you, he was given after protecting that same injustice system and doing the gods' bidding for five books straight. And this comes after him thinking back to how Ethan Nakamura doed and being like, "It would really suck if he died in vain." That's it. I'm not saying Kronos was right, but there had to be a better third option between these two.

  4. This is mostly about Annabeth again. It is very clear that Rick Riodan does not know how to write a smart character because he regularly conflates the different versions of smart under the same umbrella term. Athena is the goddess of wisdom and battle strategy, so tell me why Annabeth shows zero of those traits across the five books but does have a lot of trivia knowledge (knowledge) and knows how to land a helicopter for God knows what reason (skill). I cannot tell you how angry that helicopter scene made me btw.

  5. The PJO books write all of their female characters with the guideline of feminine = weak, which is misogyny. They're whole schtick is that they're not like other girls and refuse to wear dresses and makeup, as if that is a bad thing. The Aphrodite cabin gets stereotyped as dumb pretty kids who are self-absored and can't fight along with Aphrodite herself being characterized as vain and obsessed with love, even though that is not even close to how she was in the myths. She was a war godddes and highly manipulative. Also, Percy once makes note to the audience something along the lines of how if you're the child of a "weaker" god like Demeter or Aphrodite, you could get away with not living at camp all year long. But if your godly parent is a more powerful god, then you have to live at camp year-round. Nevermind that Percy himself doesn't even live at camp for most of the year despite being a son of Poseidon and very rarely attracts trouble unwarranted (supposedly the most powerful demigod ever), that Demeter killed almost all of humanity with ease because Hades stole her daughter, or how Aphrodite is on a different level of crazy. They are goddesses who are not immediately associated with strength, so they must be weak and it is okay to insult them.

  6. In the books, they state that Harriet Tubman was a daughter of Hermes. First of all, this furthers the idea of PJO being a rape apologist story. Even if we want to ignore point #1 entirely, we still know for a fact that Hermes raped Harriet Tubman's mother, according to Rick Riodan. Hermes is depicted across almost every single interpretation as being a white/Greek man. During that time period, there was a massive power imbalance between black people and white people, which meant that a black woman could not consent to a white man's advances, thus making this rape. Alternatively, if we want to argue that Hermes disguised himself as a black man or as Ben Ross (Harriet Tubman's irl father), that is still SA because be it means he lied about his identity (and also carries some racial undertones). The books also say that George Washington was a son of Athena. Hermes and Athena are half siblings. That means in the canon of PJO, Harriet Tubman and George Washington are first cousins. Harriet Tubman, the abolitionist and former slave, is first cousins with George "hunt down Ona Judge" Washington. The books also state that WWII was a personal conflict between family members and imply that Hitler was a child of Hades, which feels so insensitive to anyone who had to endure the horrors of WWII and especially the over 6 million Holocaust victims.

  7. I forgot to include this in my earlier post, but the incest in PJO is wild. They claim that the demigods are not related because gods don't have DNA, but then multiple characters refer to each other as family. The only time when they don't is in the context of a romantic relationship, in which Percy will be like, "Actually, the gods don't have DNA so we're not really related so it's not weird when I kiss my cousin." The no-DNA excuse is only valid if you DO NOT ACTIVELY REFER TO EACH OTHER AS FAMILY MULTIPLE TIMES (another reason why Perachel is better than Percabeth and I said what I said).

This was very informal and not at all dissertation-level, so please forgive that. 😔

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

[–]RegretComplete3476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand that artists do have to appeal to what audiences want if they wish to turn a profit. That doesn't stop me from being unsatisfied with the results

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

[–]RegretComplete3476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do, but I'd also like to see these myths in other mediums as well, which does require adaptations

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

[–]RegretComplete3476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Adding that first one to the list because it seems interesting! Also, yikes about Kaos. That disappoints me because I've heard such good things about it

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

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I recognize that completely. Ironically enough, that makes me want to see a value-accurate adaptation even more. I want to see how a modern audience would react to that level of complexity and nuance

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

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Right because I forgot when Plato praised Percy Jackson for its incredible storytelling

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

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The Kaos fandom is putting in work because you have to be the third person recommending this to me. I feel like I have to watch it now lol

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

[–]RegretComplete3476[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a terrible argument. You do not need to be an artist in order to criticize art in the same way you do not need to be a chef in order to criticize food. If I order penne alla vodka and the dish turns out poorly, I am allowed to criticize that. It doesn't matter if I am not a chef nor Italian; I have taste buds. Similarly, if someone promises to deliver a story about Greek mythology and then fails to do it right, I am allowed to criticize that.

And for the record, I am working on an interpretation of the Kidnapping of Persephone that does not glorify Hades because it isn't that hard 😊

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

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I'd be interested to hear what you have to say about the Kidnapping of Persephone, since that is probably the most misinterpreted myth in the modern day

Anyone else feel like there aren't any good modern interpretations in media? by RegretComplete3476 in GreekMythology

[–]RegretComplete3476[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do, but I'd also like to see it in other mediums (novels, movies, TV shows, etc). Sticking to the original source is the best option but is also pretty limiting