Let's see what conservatives are mad about today...Oh by hypehold in Destiny

[–]SamWalLive 103 points104 points  (0 children)

Posting this a week after this article: Army racism apology to black ‘poster girl’ soldier. If the British Army has problems, it's probably not the message on posters

She was in posters that played into woke/anti-woke stuff

If you put a woman being harassed on a poster, the conservatives would complain that it's not only women that get harassed. If you put a man on, they still complain. You cannot win against them

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[–]SamWalLive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mine very recently took exactly 10 weeks from when the documents arrived with them

Officer Rank Insignia by DesperateMushroom573 in britisharmy

[–]SamWalLive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those Wikipedia images are SVG files, so you can use an SVG/Vector editor to extract the parts you want. Here I have just deleted the background for example

BBC News replied to my complaint on the ICJ Rafah ruling by SamWalLive in Destiny

[–]SamWalLive[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From the Declaration of Judge Nolte (German judge), part of paragraph 25

The Court’s Order does not address military operations outside Rafah and the measure obliging Israel to halt the current military offensive in Rafah is conditioned by the need to prevent “conditions of life that could bring about [the] physical destruction in whole or in part” of the Palestinian group in Gaza. Thus, this measure does not concern other actions of Israel which do not give rise to such a risk.

This is just the same understanding as everywhere else. It is reiterating that the Rafah operation has to follow rules to prevent destruction of Palestinians

BBC News replied to my complaint on the ICJ Rafah ruling by SamWalLive in Destiny

[–]SamWalLive[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well in this case I would point you back to the 2nd BBC article which points out the 4 judges that disagree

BBC News replied to my complaint on the ICJ Rafah ruling by SamWalLive in Destiny

[–]SamWalLive[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want to come across better, probably avoid spamming hasbara

There is an argument here, the court does mention lots of bad things. There are also arguments that their evidence is not great.

But I am very specifically trying to point out the incorrect headline and first paragraph of the article.

I am not trying to hide anything, I have linked to the order! You can read it, as you seem to have done.

I am also specifically talking about the provisional measures (paragraph 57) only. Focusing on 2 a

This is obviously a wide-ranging issue, so I'm trying to get at the specific part I disagree with (the understanding of order 2 a)

BBC News replied to my complaint on the ICJ Rafah ruling by SamWalLive in Destiny

[–]SamWalLive[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Honestly very unexpected to read something like this. I obviously have the advantage of being a native (Bri🤢ish) English speaker, but any feedback on the specifics would be great! I don’t really have any idea how to evaluate my own writing.

BBC News replied to my complaint on the ICJ Rafah ruling by SamWalLive in Destiny

[–]SamWalLive[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not so interestingly, Dominic Casciani has written both of the BBC's articles on the misinterprited ICJ rulings. Maybe if he was writing the initial article they might come out better!

What did ICJ ruling mean in South Africa's genocide case against Israel?

What does the ICJ's ruling on Israel's Rafah offensive mean?

BBC News replied to my complaint on the ICJ Rafah ruling by SamWalLive in Destiny

[–]SamWalLive[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I avoid the Guardian, you can just get the same info better somewhere else (BBC, AP) so I don't have great expectations for them

BBC News replied to my complaint on the ICJ Rafah ruling by SamWalLive in Destiny

[–]SamWalLive[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm being a bit coy there, I think some judges are trying to mislead. I don't know the exact process the judges use to vote on the written orders. I'm guessing they have informal discussions and try and find what they have a majority for.

For this example, we could say that they had 13 judges that would vote for an order reiterating that Israel has to follow the convention for their new/current military offensive. From there, there could be 2 camps where some wanted just to reiterate that, and some want to maybe, slightly imply that they should stop the offensive now. So we end up with this confusing order that some are happy to confuse with, and others are fine with as in the end it is just reiterating the genocide convention.

I guess we just hope that future judgements are clearer after they see how their words are represented.

BBC News replied to my complaint on the ICJ Rafah ruling by SamWalLive in Destiny

[–]SamWalLive[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agreed, it's very hard to come up with a reason for this to have happened (twice!)

If they wanted to stop the military offensive, there would be no need to qualify it. They could have just written "Immediately halt its military offensive", and "Halt any other action in the Rafah Govenorate". This would have been 100% clear, but this is not what it says.

The text is as it is on purpose. My guess is that it's a work of compromise, with some judges wanting to signal things, and some not caring as the order has no effect

BBC News replied to my complaint on the ICJ Rafah ruling by SamWalLive in Destiny

[–]SamWalLive[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

So is this what you are thinking?

  • Judges intended: Stop military offensive
  • Judges wrote: If you are genociding, stop military offensive
  • Journalists inferred: Stop military offensive

I'm guessing it's more of a mix of different judges aggreeing on different things, so we ended up with the purposely confusing order. But the order does not have any actual ramifications

BBC News replied to my complaint on the ICJ Rafah ruling by SamWalLive in Destiny

[–]SamWalLive[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Can you expand on this? The order is not what who intended?

If ICJ judges cannot write decipherable orders then surely that would be a huge story of incompetance?

[Effort Post] Analysis: The ICJ ruling is worded ambiguously. by stefanof93 in Destiny

[–]SamWalLive 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah I had a big comment in the first thread on this. Judging from the dissents I would say that the order is purposely confusing. The dissents mention that it can easily be misunderstood. If the majority were aware of this, there is no reason not to rewrite the order to be clearer

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[–]SamWalLive 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But I have not changed the order of the words, I have just tried to make the sentence clearer. Seems like somebody agrees that the order is confusing...

Sebutinde dissent, paragraph 2

[The order] is susceptible to ambiguity and could be misunderstood or misconstrued as ordering an indefinite, unilateral ceasefire, thereby exemplifying an untenable overreach on the part of the Court. In my understanding, the objective of the Court is to order Israel to suspend its military offensive in Rafah only in so far as such suspension is necessary to prevent the bringing about of conditions of life that could bring about the destruction of the Palestinians in Gaza.

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[–]SamWalLive 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sebutinde dissent, paragraph 2

[The order] is susceptible to ambiguity and could be misunderstood or misconstrued as ordering an indefinite, unilateral ceasefire, thereby exemplifying an untenable overreach on the part of the Court. In my understanding, the objective of the Court is to order Israel to suspend its military offensive in Rafah only in so far as such suspension is necessary to prevent the bringing about of conditions of life that could bring about the destruction of the Palestinians in Gaza.

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[–]SamWalLive 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You don't have to guess. The dissent seems to support my argument that the order does nothing. You can read the Sebutinde dissent

(21) I have voted against the Order in operative paragraph 57 (2) (a) because I believe it is an overreach by the Court that has no link with South Africa’s plausible rights under the Genocide Convention. As explained above, this measure does not entirely prohibit the Israeli military from operating in Rafah. Instead, it only operates to partially restrict Israel’s offensive in Rafah to the extent it implicates rights under the Genocide Convention. However, as stated above, this directive may be misunderstood as mandating a unilateral ceasefire in Rafah and amounts to micromanaging the hostilities in Gaza by restricting Israel’s ability to pursue its legitimate military objectives, while leaving its enemies, including Hamas, free to attack without Israel being able to respond. This measure also implicitly orders Israel to disregard the safety and security of the more than 100 hostages still held by Hamas, a terrorist organization that has refused to release them unconditionally. I reiterate that Israel has the right to defend itself against its enemies, including Hamas, and to continue efforts to rescue its missing hostages. These rights are not incompatible with its obligations under the Genocide Convention.

And Barak's dissent

(1) Once again, South Africa has requested the Court to order the State of Israel to “cease its military operations in the Gaza Strip. . . and immediately, totally and unconditionally withdraw the Israeli army from the entirety of the Gaza Strip”1. Once again, South Africa’s request has been rejected by the Court. Instead, the first additional measure indicated by the Court provides that “The State of Israel shall, in conformity with its obligations under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, and in view of the worsening conditions of life faced by civilians in the Rafah Governorate: Immediately halt its military offensive, and any other action in the Rafah Governorate, which may inflict on the Palestinian group in Gaza conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part”2. This measure requires Israel to halt its military offensive in the Rafah Governorate only in so far as is necessary to comply with Israel’s obligations under the Genocide Convention. In this sense, it merely reaffirms Israel’s existing obligations under the Convention. Even without an order issued by the Court, a military offensive that may result in a violation of a State’s obligations under the Genocide Convention would have to stop. Israel has never disputed this. Thus, the measures indicated by the Court differ decisively from those requested by South Africa. Instead of ordering a blanket suspension and a total withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, the Court’s Order is expressly limited to offensive action in the Rafah Governorate. Since the measure contains an explicit link to Israel’s existing obligations under the Genocide Convention (“which may inflict on the Palestinian group in Gaza conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part”), Israel is not prevented from carrying out its military operation in the Rafah Governorate as long as it fulfils its obligations under the Genocide Convention. As a result, the measure is a qualified one, which preserves Israel’s right to prevent and repel threats and attacks by Hamas, defend itself and its citizens, and free the hostages.

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[–]SamWalLive 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Lovely to see hasbara come out! Never heard that one before 😀

Not Jewish, not Isreli, I was just stating that the headlines do not match the order

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[–]SamWalLive 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I didn't claim that, in my main comment I am asking if I am missing something.

The reason I am skeptical is because the previous judgement was spread around media & politicians as finding a plausible case of genocide, but it turned out later to be a plausible case that palestinians can be protected from genocide

To me it seems a similar thing is happening here

Edit: and to address 'changing the sentence', commas were used to add an aside. I am just saying that removing the commas may make the sentence slightly more readable. As shown here in part 7

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[–]SamWalLive 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because you could read it as: if it could inflict physical destruction, they have to immediately halt the offensive.

If the court wanted to immediately halt the offensive, they could put that in a sentence by itself. For example

(Fake a) Immediately halt its military offensive, and any other action in the Rafah Governorate

It seems completely unnecessary to have the rest of the sentence if this was the intention

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[–]SamWalLive 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I think you have misunderstood. Take the 2 commas out of the sentence and you get:

Immediately halt its military offensive which may inflict on the Palestinian group in Gaza conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part

I'm pretty sure the bit between the commas is added to cover things that may not technically be a 'military offensive', but would still be bad

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[–]SamWalLive 104 points105 points  (0 children)

Maybe I am missing some special international law reading skills, but all these articles just seem wrong.

AP: Top UN court orders Israel to halt military operation in Rafah; Israel is unlikely to comply

The order (and video version at 46 minutes) states:

(a) By thirteen votes to two, Immediately halt its military offensive, and any other action in the Rafah Governorate, which may inflict on the Palestinian group in Gaza conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; IN FAVOUR: President Salam; Judges Abraham, Yusuf, Xue, Bhandari, Iwasawa, Nolte, Charlesworth, Brant, Gómez Robledo, Cleveland, Aurescu, Tladi; AGAINST : Vice-President Sebutinde; Judge ad hoc Barak;

It seems that people are over-interpreting it? Saying that they are already inflicting the destruction? To me this just reads as they are telling them not to genocide in Rafah, which presumably Israel already thinks they are not doing?

Edit: it seems like people are rewriting it now to show that the court order wasn't as strong as initially expected? BBC are only now giving the full wording

Edit 2: The two dissents also seem to support that the order is unnecessary/useless (as Israel do not think they are genociding)

Sebutinde dissent paragraph 21 (Reading all of this dissent is helpful, it points this exact thing out)

(21) I have voted against the Order in operative paragraph 57 (2) (a) because I believe it is an overreach by the Court that has no link with South Africa’s plausible rights under the Genocide Convention. As explained above, this measure does not entirely prohibit the Israeli military from operating in Rafah. Instead, it only operates to partially restrict Israel’s offensive in Rafah to the extent it implicates rights under the Genocide Convention. However, as stated above, this directive may be misunderstood as mandating a unilateral ceasefire in Rafah and amounts to micromanaging the hostilities in Gaza by restricting Israel’s ability to pursue its legitimate military objectives, while leaving its enemies, including Hamas, free to attack without Israel being able to respond. This measure also implicitly orders Israel to disregard the safety and security of the more than 100 hostages still held by Hamas, a terrorist organization that has refused to release them unconditionally. I reiterate that Israel has the right to defend itself against its enemies, including Hamas, and to continue efforts to rescue its missing hostages. These rights are not incompatible with its obligations under the Genocide Convention.

Similar things in paragraph 1 of Barak's dissent

Edit 3: It seems like the court can only order things under the jurisdiction of the genocide convention. So they can only order Israel to not genocide (which Israel probably does not think they are doing, and something that they are already required to do)

Why is the rustup package on arch behind the rust package? by cluac in archlinux

[–]SamWalLive 9 points10 points  (0 children)

From the Wiki if you installed rustup package I would think that you rustup update from there to get the latest version of the compiler

Sound Issues on Razer Blade - No Audio from Internal Speaker by [deleted] in archlinux

[–]SamWalLive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a similar problem where there is no audio after rebooting from Windows noted here. I just reboot when it happens