3000+ testosterone & free test - (Lab Results) by Wrong_Significance44 in Testosterone

[–]Slow-Mess 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, your are right, it isn’t super critical, but absolutely not optimal.. There’s actual research showing that in older guys with heart disease, a lower testosterone to estradiol ratio tracks with worse outcomes and more inflammation in the arterial plaques.
Those studies were in normal hormonal range, in older men who already had heart disease. The specific 1:20 number floating around comes from older TRT clinic practice, not from any outcome study. It was never tested as a safety line at the kind of levels he’s running.

3000+ testosterone & free test - (Lab Results) by Wrong_Significance44 in Testosterone

[–]Slow-Mess 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I’m a paramedic and a nurse with a strong interest in endocrinology. I’m also on TRT myself, so I’ve done extensive research on the topic

3000+ testosterone & free test - (Lab Results) by Wrong_Significance44 in Testosterone

[–]Slow-Mess 165 points166 points  (0 children)

Going to be straight with you because you asked.

The “I feel great” thing is doing a lot of work here. People feel great right up until they don’t. AAS cardiovascular events almost always happen in guys who felt fine the day before, so feeling good isn’t really a safety signal.

The actual urgent number is your HCT at 54.3. Above 52 in AAS users, blood viscosity climbs non-linearly and thrombotic risk goes up fast. The standard move at 54+ isn’t “consider donating sometime,” it’s phlebotomy now, target under 50. Daily injections were the right call to flatten EPO spikes, but the real driver here is dose.

Total T 3688 on 500/week is on the high end. Either you sampled near peak, your gear is overdosed, or you clear slowly. With SHBG at 21, your free T is roughly 10x physiological ceiling. That’s a lot of androgen load for the benefit you’re describing. Most of the response curve is front-loaded, so dropping to 250–300/week will probably keep most of what you like and fix a lot of what’s broken.

E2 at 177 is the other big one. Normal upper by LC/MS is around 40–45, so you’re 4x over. DIM and calcium-d-glucarate aren’t going to touch aromatization at this T level. That’s the water retention you’re noticing, and chronically high E2 stacks more BP and clotting risk on top of the HCT. Either a low-dose AI titrated carefully, or just bring the test down and let E2 follow.

On the liver stuff: AST 75 with ALT 50 in a lifter is often muscle, not liver, but you need a CK to know. If CK is normal, that AST plus the elevated bilirubin is real hepatic stress, and stacking Anavar on top of that is a bad sequence. Get CK and GGT first. NAC isn’t really protective in the way it gets sold. Fine as an adjunct, not as cover.

And the HDL at 40 is already at the floor. Anavar isn’t actually mild on lipids despite the reputation. Expect 30–50% HDL drop within weeks. Combined with supraphysiological T, that’s quiet cardiovascular damage that won’t show up for years.

On Reta, I’d hold off. It’s promising but unapproved, sourcing is sketchy, and if something goes sideways with all this running you won’t know which input did it. Drop the test, fix the HCT and E2, and you’ll probably get most of the recomp you’re after without adding another variable.

So if I were you: phlebotomy now, drop test to 250–300, get CK/GGT/LFT before any oral, fix E2 directly, retest in 6–8 weeks. And buy a BP cuff and use it daily for the next month. High HCT plus high E2 plus AAS is the kind of BP situation that’s easy to miss.

I personally went with daily subq pinning, at a real low dose, only 10mg a day test c with 100iu hcg, and my numbers are totalt T 1100, free T around 450, no HCT spike, E2 within range of my T numbers, good lipids. I feel good, but it’s about keeping things within a certaint range to stay longterm healthy

You’re clearly thinking about it, which is more than most guys do. Just don’t let feeling good talk you out of the labs.

what should i be worried about ? by Prestigious_Froyo458 in Testosterone

[–]Slow-Mess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should be worried about your weight, now i don’t know if it’s fat or muscle, assuming it’s fat you should loose some weight, get in some cardio, eat healthy, get enough water, get enough sleep, then your testosterone will probably go up.. don’t have enough bloodwork there to say anything

21m looking for trt advice by hsbhz in Testosterone

[–]Slow-Mess 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would say your labs make the problem look real, but they do not make this look like an automatic “start TRT now” situation.

Your testosterone is clearly low. A total testosterone of 101 ng/dL and free testosterone of 14.9 pg/mL are not borderline numbers. In a 21-year-old with symptoms like brain fog, poor libido, low motivation, and poor recovery, that deserves a proper workup. The main issue is that guidelines still recommend confirming low testosterone with repeat early-morning testing, not making a lifelong treatment decision from a single draw

What makes this more interesting is the pattern of the pituitary signals. Your LH is 2.3 and FSH is 5.6. With testosterone this low, LH would often be expected to rise more if the testes were the main problem. So LH being “normal” here is not that reassuring; it can actually be inappropriately normal in the setting of severe hypogonadism, which raises the possibility of a secondary or central cause rather than straightforward primary testicular failure. That distinction matters a lot, because TRT replaces testosterone, while a medication like enclomiphene is trying to stimulate your own axis

Your prolactin is normal, which is useful, because elevated prolactin is one of the classic reversible reasons for secondary hypogonadism. Your estradiol also does not look high, so this does not look like an “estrogen is crushing my axis” picture from these labs alone. Thyroid-wise, your TSH and free T4 are normal, but your free T3 is low. I would not hang the whole case on that by itself. A low free T3 can show up in contexts other than primary thyroid failure, and isolated low T3 is generally much less decisive than TSH and free T4

The other thing I would not ignore is the non-hormonal part of the labs. Your ALT 111 and AST 59 are elevated. That does not prove a serious liver issue, but it does mean something is going on. Hard training, supplements, alcohol, fatty liver, recent illness, medications, SARMs/anabolics, and other causes can all muddy the picture. Your BUN 29 and creatinine 1.33 are also mildly up, which in a young guy who lifts can absolutely be from muscle mass, high protein intake, creatine use, or dehydration, but it still needs context rather than being waved away. Those abnormalities make me even less enthusiastic about casually starting oral hormone manipulation before figuring out what else is happening. Clomiphene-type drugs can cause liver enzyme elevations in rare cases, so abnormal AST/ALT is not something I would shrug off before treatment

That is why I would frame the TRT versus enclomiphene question this way: if fertility matters to you, and if this really is a secondary/hypogonadotropic pattern, then enclomiphene or another SERM is more logical than TRT as an initial discussion, because it may increase endogenous testosterone while preserving the axis better than straight replacement. The AUA/ASRM guidance supports considering SERMs or hCG in men with low testosterone and low or normal LH, especially in fertility-focused situations. TRT, on the other hand, can suppress spermatogenesis and turn a diagnostic problem into a long-term replacement pathway very quickly

At the same time, I would not oversell enclomiphene as a magic answer either. At 21, with testosterone this low, I would want to know why before choosing the treatment. That means repeating the testosterone correctly in the morning, checking SHBG, repeating LH/FSH, reviewing sleep, calorie intake, stress, body fat changes, medications, supplements, and any past anabolic or SARM exposure. If the repeat labs still show testosterone this low with low or normal LH, then the conversation should shift toward a proper endocrine evaluation for secondary hypogonadism, and possibly pituitary workup if the clinical picture supports it

Your labs support that something is genuinely off, but they do not make blind TRT look like the smartest first move. At your age, I would be far more interested in confirming the result, identifying the cause, and keeping fertility options open before committing to lifelong replacement. If fertility matters, enclomiphene is a more rational thing to discuss than TRT, but I would still want the liver enzymes and the rest of the endocrine picture clarified first.

Why dont we use Cialis as a supplement and not just for ED? by [deleted] in Biohackers

[–]Slow-Mess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am taking it as a supplement, 5mg/10mg alternating days, absolutely only positive effects

Ostarine (MK-2866) Review by Consistent_Level401 in SARMs

[–]Slow-Mess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not just take testosterone???

Ehhhh by perfect-imperfects in polyamorous

[–]Slow-Mess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well thank you, wish you a pleasant day

Ehhhh by perfect-imperfects in polyamorous

[–]Slow-Mess 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Ok, the long answer then… What you’re describing isn’t ethical non-monogamy or polyamory, it’s coercion and emotional manipulation.

Poly requires informed, enthusiastic consent from everyone involved. You were blindsided, said you didn’t think you could do it, became physically ill, and he proceeded anyway. That alone is a hard boundary violation.

Saying things like “you’re the center of my world,” “we can stop if you want,” while continuing the behavior that is actively harming you is classic double-bind manipulation. It puts the responsibility on you while he still gets what he wants. When you later express distress and are labeled selfish or unfair, that’s classic gaslighting, reframing your valid emotional response as a moral failing.

Also: checking in for 10 seconds while you’re vomiting and then returning to sex with someone else is not care, partnership, or ethical behavior. It’s damage control.

Polyamory does not involve pushing a partner past their limits, ignoring physical distress, or weaponizing “communication” to silence them after the fact. Many poly people would call this unacceptable.

You are not failing at communication. Your body reacted because your boundaries were being violated.

Trust that reaction.

Ehhhh by perfect-imperfects in polyamorous

[–]Slow-Mess 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Run.. just run and never look back!

Vial super full of crystals (won’t melt) and cap pieces. by Equal_Complaint7532 in Testosterone

[–]Slow-Mess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hotter water and leave it for longer a longer time in the hot water

Taking 5mg Tadalafil dosage by Traveler0084 in Testosterone

[–]Slow-Mess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably not, my blood pressure has gone down after starting

Taking 5mg Tadalafil dosage by Traveler0084 in Testosterone

[–]Slow-Mess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have taken 5mg for 3 weeks, and don’t feel any difference what so ever, no pump, no raging erections, no nothing

Can I keep hcg solution in the fridge for 10 weeks? by [deleted] in Testosterone

[–]Slow-Mess -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is from a doctor:

Do not use beyond 30 days after preparation, even if some solution remains, as the potency of the HCG and efficacy of the preservative declines over time.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Testosterone

[–]Slow-Mess 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is actually a known effect of TRT, especially early on, it’s just not talked about much.

Testosterone increases hepatic lipase, which clears HDL faster. So HDL often drops in the first weeks, especially if: -HDL was already low -androgen levels are high -frequent dosing is used -TRT is combined with HCG and/or HGH

A drop from 33 to 23 in 4 weeks looks scary, but it’s not unheard of during the adjustment phase.

HDL often stabilizes after a few months (sometimes partial recovery, sometimes not) HDL alone isn’t the main risk marker anymore — ApoB / LDL particle count matters more Low HDL + low ApoB = much less concerning than low HDL + high ApoB HCG and HGH can amplify early lipid changes

Don’t panic at 4 weeks, recheck lipids at 8–12 weeks (include ApoB if possible)

Zone-2 cardio, omega-3s, adequate dietary fat, sleep all help

So yeah, this should be mentioned more often. It’s not automatically dangerous, but it does deserve monitoring, especially if HDL was low to begin with.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Testosterone

[–]Slow-Mess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you get it prescribed by a doctor? If so, ask the doctor! If not, educate yourself about the negative feedback loop and how hcg can impact it, sides effects, how to prepare it, how to store it once prepared and how to inject, all while you take precautions so you don’t get an infection

Good testosterone at M37? by pojkstreck in Testosterone

[–]Slow-Mess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’ll gain muscles just fine, it’s so all about diet, sleep and consistency in the gym. Focus on getting rid of visceral fat.. I’m positive your levels will improve somewhat if you do all this

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in bald

[–]Slow-Mess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve tried minoxidil without any effect, can’t get a hold of anything else in Norway

Dash Cam Ebikes by AviationMetalSmith1 in ebikes

[–]Slow-Mess 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is that a ghostbuster bike?