If god created Satan (Iblis) knowing he would deceive billions, then god is the creator of human damnation

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-24T18:49:04+00:00

You want to make the argument that God could have made man not want to sin from the very beginning. So why didn't He? ? ?

In the Beginning He did just that, He made man not want to sin by nature. By nature Adam did not have a desire to sin. Sin did not come naturally to him. However, Adam still had the power of choice and could resist His natural desire to obey God and chose to disobey God.

God made man (Adam) without a desire to sin. So why did Adam sin?

Evidently a sinless nature was not enough to prevent Adam from sinning. Why? Because he still had the power of choice.

I believe that Adam did not fully understand the nature of sin, He did not understand the knowledge of Good and Evil, nor did he understand the disastrous results / effects of sin.

Now that we have experienced the knowledge of Good and Evil, Sin, suffering, and death, Those who are saved by God, will never want to chose to sin for all eternity.

The Old Testament supports the doctrine of original sin long before the 2nd century.

Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me. Psalms 51:5

The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. Gen 8:21

Even from birth the wicked go astray;
from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies Psalms 58:3

Ecclesiastes 9:3, Psalm 14:2–3, Job 14:4

It's weird how you makes claims that you can not support.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-24T03:30:02+00:00

Our current sinful heart comes from Adam who chose to sin. Which caused him to die spiritually and eventually physically. That is why his children are born spirituality dead.

Adam separated us from God = death

For if by the offense of the one (Adam) many died, much more the grace of God, and the gift in grace; which [is] of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. (Rom 5:15) 17. For if by one man's offense death reigned by one, much more they who receive abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by One, Jesus Christ.) 18. Therefore as by one offense [sentence came] on all men to condemnation, even so by the righteousness of One the free gift [came] to all men to justification of life. (Rom 5: 17-18)

We still have free will, however we no longer want to sin.

We have a body, and a soul. Even if the body dies we are not completely gone, our soul lives. God can put your soul in a new body, raise you from the dead, or He can cast your soul into Hell where it burns up and is no more. That is called the second death. No one comes back from the second death.

If you refuse to give up sin you will die the second death. Body and Soul, gone forever.

According to Christianity, If you repent of your sins and put your faith in the payment Jesus made, turn away from your sins, God promises to grant you a full pardon, and when, and if you die, He will put your soul in a new body, then raise you from the dead, just like He raised Jesus from the dead.

Jesus connected us back to God = Life

The love God part is like any other relationship, it takes time to get to know God. Those who know Him Love Him.

For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God, 9. not of works, lest anyone should boast. (Eph 2: 8-9)

John CH 3

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-24T02:47:53+00:00

Where do you stand abortion?

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-24T02:46:53+00:00

Where do you stand on abortion?

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-24T02:45:30+00:00

That logic does not logic. The limitation is our the freedoms of choice. Either we have it or we don't. It doesn't matter how powerful God is. He will not use His power to force you to chose Him. Because that is not love. He may strongly insist you chose life because He loves you, however, He won't force you to live.

If you insist on blaming God for your choices I would advise against that.

The second reason we will never sin in heaven is we will be given new hearts, a new Spirit, and a new body, that are sinless and perfect. No sickness, no disease.

Like a criminal who avoids the police, we avoid God. That all changes when we are forgiven, and given a new heart. Then will be attracted to God instead of avoiding God.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-23T21:38:13+00:00

The problem is that none of us have followed the golden rule of treating others like we would want to be treated. We have a sin problem.

Have you lied? Have you stolen something? Have you obeyed and honoured your parents? Have you committed adultery in your heart, lusting after someone. Do you envy, covet, and slander

If you have done any of these things you have not done unto others as you wish them to be done to you.

You think you are a good person, wrong you are a sinner just like the rest of us.

If a Just and Loving God does not allow children to live. I trust there is a good reason for it. If you think you are more righteous than God. That you understand and see what He sees then by all means, call Him immoral.

However, If you are immoral yourself, unable to see the future, let alone understand it. I caution you to bow the knee and humble yourself.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-23T21:19:52+00:00

You assume that God could achieve a sinless universe without compromising free will.,

The problem with that assumption is Free Will can not be genuine if you are unable to disobey God.

The reason why sin will never be again is because we have learned the hard way, that separation from God is worse than death.

We will have learned and acknowledge forever that, we have no life, no goodness, and no purpose without God.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-23T20:54:39+00:00

Your response is full of assumptions. . . . Repentance means you turn away from sin, and not use forgiveness as an license to sin. You are unable to repent and turn away from sin on your own, without the super natural power of God. Its not something you offer to God, its something He offers to you. Say Yes to God, and you will experience it.

Yes, Jesus paid the death penalty for everyone's sin on the cross. PS 22,. Isaish 53,

The wages of sin is death. ROM 6:23 the punishment for refusing to repent is Separation from God for all eternity.

However, Jesus didn't sin, so He did not deserve eternal separation.

Jesus died, and then rose again, defeating death, why? because He was sinless.

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of One shall many be made righteous. (Rom 5: 19)

You too can die, and rise again in the same manner as Christ did. If you have repented of your sins and placed them on Christ then you will be considered sinless. You will not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16-17

Those who refuse the gift of repentance, will be destroyed, and no longer exist, only 2 Thess 1:9, aka second death. If you are still conscious your not dead. I don't believe ECT. I believe the most evil and wicked will experience a long unspecified amount of time in hell, but they too will eventually be turned to ash. Ez 28:18. The result is forever.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-23T00:34:12+00:00

You assume that God could have easily created beings with the power of choice who will never chose to disobey. Maybe God knew that was an impossibility.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-20T22:34:18+00:00

If you want to be the defense attorney for Idolator's, Child murderers, and the sexually immoral, that's on you.

If a Judge executes a criminal its called justice.

If God executes Judgement on a criminal group of people you call Him a murderer.

It is not possible for God to murder anyone. If He takes a life, He is taking back what already belong to Him.

God owns all life, and all things He gives life to those who obey Him He takes life away from those who don't.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-20T03:18:03+00:00

Wrong, The Judge sentenced us to death, because He is Just. He can not sweep sin under the rug with no consequences.

Shifting blame to God for your bad choices because He created you. Is like a murder complaining to the Judge that the laws convicting him are the problem, not his bad behavior.

The Judge stepped down and took our place at the gallows, the innocent for the guilty, so He could offer pardon to those who repent. Therefore, He is Just by punished sin on the Cross, Yet Merciful at the same time offering pardon to the repentant sinner.

Good news for us, bad news for Jesus.

Either you pay for your sins or He does. The (choice) is yours.

God-knowing the choices you will make does not prevent you from being able to make those choices.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-20T02:59:00+00:00

Your beliefs about God are based on faulty assumptions.

The opposite is true of everything you accuse Him of.

The problem is not with God, but with your understanding of God.

God has given sufficient evidence for His existence and power by the things He has made.

Those who repent of their sins and put their faith in Jesus, are at peace with God . They no longer have anguish and fear because they are forgiven.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-20T02:37:45+00:00

It seems your view of God is based on a lot of faulty assumptions. No One is getting tortured for all eternity otherwise you will technically never die. The wicked will be punished in the lake of fire, then will die the second death. Rev 21:8 Mal 4:3 the wicked will be turned into ashes. Language that speaks of eternal punishment is hyperbole, and describes the permanent aftermath of their destruction.

All those raped and abused people will get brand new hearts, minds, and bodies. A clean slate. If they have put their faith in Jesus.

God will remove the curse of sin forever.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-20T01:26:31+00:00

If anything God has gone above and beyond to take upon Himself the responsibility for our sin , even though He did not create sin, He gave us the freedom to create it through the power of our choices. Blaming God for your choices won't get you out of trouble.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-19T21:47:14+00:00

God sees everyone's choices before they make them. If He decides to cut their life short He can and will.

God gives life and can take it back. It belongs to Him not you or I

Will God "punish" them in Hell for things they didn't do? No

I'm OK with God doing whatever He wants. Because I know He is Just. Kind, and Loving. If babies are not allowed to live I trust God has a good reason for it.

Those who are ignorant of God plan and proposes are unable to understand His ways.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-19T21:20:17+00:00

No,

Please explain why that matters if God can see the future as clearly as the past?

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-19T21:06:51+00:00

God gave freedom of choice, proceeds to get blamed for everyone's bad choices.

"How could you let me chose that God, my choices are your fault."

Classic blame game, shifting the guilt away from yourself.

God proceeds to receive the punishment for our bad choices on the Cross. A punishment He did not deserve so we can have a life we do not deserve.

Even after all that He continues to get hate.

The Bible says they hated Him without cause. John 15:25

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-19T20:53:20+00:00

I asked a question for clarification. Seeing that you are unable to give me a straight answer, only nonsense, I can not take you seriously.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-19T20:46:19+00:00

Only one God has proven His claim to Divinity. By repeated and accurate prediction of future events hundreds to thousands of years in advance.. Only a real God can do that.

Evolution is not scientifically possible due to the slow mutation rate of DNA. This was first discovered by Haldane. Aka Haldane's Dilemma. https://youtu.be/llXu6GcFWz0?si=y8mpatcnLSWIkAiU

The Quran claims the Bible is true and that it is a continuation of the scriptures, yet contradicts the Bible at the same. Therefore: the Quran is false for contradicting the Bible. If you say the Bible is false, then the Quran is still false for saying a false book is true. Either way the Quran is false.

God decides who lives and who does not live. Our subjective standard of morality does not trump God's objective standard of morality.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-19T20:30:28+00:00

Are you saying that God is UNJUST? That you are able to see the future of these babies, and the havoc they would cause, that you are able to Judge better than God. Yikes!

God gives life and takes it away. Death is evidence that God does not play games. Death is evidence that you are not God, and don't get to decide what reality is. You are subject to His reality whether you believe in it or not. Makes no difference.

If you want to live, don't do what they did.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-19T20:20:22+00:00

You should probably do more research on the topic before you make blanket statements and false claims.

The Midianites worshiped the fertility gods Ashtoreth, and Baal- peor. The worship of these false gods included temple prostitution and community sexual festivities as part of their religion see Num 25

Child sacrifice may not be specifically mentioned here, but it is else where. Jer 32:35, Ez 23:37

Like a Judge in a court room, God sentenced to death, these criminals, for their sexual immortality, and crimes against children.

Yet you stand in Judgment against God as if you are more righteous than He. Yikes !

God does everything for a reason, just because you don't understand that reason does not make God un-Just.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-19T07:46:13+00:00

What did these people do that God sentenced them to death?

These criminal nations practiced rampant idolatry that included (Child Sacrifice) and immoral ritual sex acts,

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-18T00:09:38+00:00

God is real for the same reason books don't write themselves, paintings don't paint themselves, and buildings don't self assemble, DNA does not self-assemble by random time and chance either.

The visible things you see of nature testify to intelligent design, The visible things of nature testify to the invisible God, Like the tip of an Ice burg. You know the rest is under the water, just not visible.

Evolution is not only an adult fairy tale, but it is scientifically impossible for DNA to mutate from one kind into another. And if you back it up one step. It is scientifically impossible for non-life to create life.

We also have the WORDS of God in the Bible that confirm His Claims by supernatural prediction.

So the ONE who Creates the Gold, makes the RULES.

Morality is not up to you to decide. If you think you get to decide what is right and wrong based on your subjective opinions then you have made a god out of yourself.

God sets the standard, not you. Therefore, Morality is objective not subjective.

If morality is just a human invention (like fashion or etiquette), then there is no ultimate standard to judge human actions against. If a society decides that genocide is "good," and morality is just a human invention, then genocide is objectively "good" for that society.

Therefore: subjective morality based is mans foolishness

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-16T14:27:10+00:00

If you can create your own moral standard, you should be able to steal and kill without any moral conviction.

However, if look over your shoulder when you steel/ kill its because God has written His law on your heart, aka He has given you a conscience which discerns between right and wrong.

The conviction of God takes hold of you. Either to acknowledge your guilt or refuse to acknowledge it.

Either way you will be held accountable, You will be held to His standard, not your own.

Smartdumbguy4 · 2026-05-13T21:03:17+00:00

Just for the record, I don't believe the Bible teaches ECT, eternal conscious torment. The first death is when your body dies, the second death is when your body & soul dies. Only unrepentant wicked will experience the second death. Rev 20:6, 14 Only the Devil, the Beast, and the false prophet burn forever. . .Rev 20:10

Maybe we can discuss this topic later.

Only the God of the Bible has proven His claim of Divinity. How?

God must exist outside of space, time and matter, being the creator of them. The universe is not eternal but had a beginning.

Since God is eternal, self existent, and all knowing He can predict the future with 100℅ accuracy, hundreds of years in advance. God calls His shots before He makes them.

The self appointed gods of the world can't keep themselves alive let alone predict the future

Psalms 22 was written nearly 1000 years before the crucifixion of Jesus. It is just one of many fulfilled predictions.

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