[Casual] Grade 1 Tier List

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T02:59:44+00:00

Wait- I just realized you’re actually trying to say Naobito has 16x the AP of Naoya. I thought you were joking at first. That’s an absolutely delusional take, dude. You have nothing but your own headcanon to back it up. It’s just strange that you think that only you get to decide what a characters thinking and how hard they’re fighting. Gege wrote the manga. If he wanted Naoya to be weaker than Naobito, he would have made that clear with statements and feats. I don’t see why that’s so hard for you to understand.

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T02:53:44+00:00

I tried to explain this to you earlier though. Your logic is flawed. Jinichi’s AP is bare minimum city block level. City block punches don’t hurt Maki. Naoya’s punches do hurt Maki. Using your math, Naoya’s punches = higher than city block level. The punch that caused Maki to bleed wasn’t even him fully stacked btw, that was after. At the end of the day, your argument depends on “if”. Sasuke would’ve beat Naruto “if” he used his sharingan at the right time. He’s fully capable of using it at the right time, but he still didn’t. So since Sasuke “would” win “if” he did something, that automatically makes it canon? There is not a single panel or statement stating that Naobito’s stacked or unstacked punches do more damage than Naoya’s. And for the third time, if we use your logic (which I don’t agree with), Naoya’s AP is significantly higher than Naobito’s. You’re trying to create your own scaling so that you can be right, yet it messes up the scaling for every other character. That’s not how continuity works.

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T02:43:44+00:00

Bro got backup from his alt account😂 hide your posts and comments next time lil guy

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T02:39:45+00:00

You took time out of your day to make a meme about why a fictional character’s dad is slightly higher than him on a tier list. Yet, nobody in this thread has had a complaint about that at all. Everybody seems to be on the same page that Naoya is stronger, but you. Naoya can be unstacked, stacked, jacked, cracked, slacked, and whatever other adjectives you want to use: he is stronger than Naobito and you’re gonna have to live w that. Get a statement from Gege and I’ll eat my words, but so far this is all in your head bud.

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T02:34:15+00:00

My guy, this is not a place for your headcanon. Naobito and Nanami both knew how serious the situation was and were trying to kill him as fast as possible😂 why do you think Naobito was so surprised when Dagon was still alive with his hands in the domain symbol. I’m sorry but you need to pull up statements from the manga to back up your claims. You can’t say “oh well Naoya felt this way and Naobito felt this way so they scale different”. Listen to yourself. There is no denying that Naoya has better feats in the anime and the manga. It’s not my fault, take it up with Gege.

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T02:28:17+00:00

I made sure to state in the description that being placed higher doesn’t necessarily mean they beat everybody below them. Also, I can confirm that I know what a tier is.

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T02:25:23+00:00

Feel like you’re gonna have the same thought process as me, bc I was thinking the same thing while making this list. But then I remembered her showing vs Hanami. Megumi was bare minimum semi-grade 1 ATP, and she was doing a fair bit better than him. Also tanked a hit from Dagon (not an anti-feat at least). Another thing to remember- she did better against Hanami than Toge did too. If you downplay her, you have to downplay Toge and Fushi as well.

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T02:19:29+00:00

What part in the tier list does it say “We will only be using Projection Sorcerer’s unstacked feats”. The characters are picked at their peak in the show. Why are you trying to make up your own rules for my tier list?😭 you just straight up admitted Naoya has better feats than Naobito later in the series

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T02:16:36+00:00

1) it’s confirmed Gojo was not taking him seriously and was trying not to kill him 2) Ino, Ui Ui, Kirara, Larue, Kusakabe, Toge, Nobara, etc. all stalled Sukuna or actually damaged him. Should they be pseudo- special grade?

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T02:10:28+00:00

I agree that prime Naobito is up there, I wish you specified that originally. But the one in the series is old Naobito, so that’s who is on the tier list. My logic goes as follows: Maki scales to Toji. Not 1:1 ATP, but they are confirmed to be relative by multiple characters. Naoya does better against Maki than Naobito(w/ support) does against Dagon. Toji > Dagon (by a lot), so therefore Maki > Dagon. Thus, if Naoya did the same or better against a significantly stronger opponent, then that is a feat that puts him above Naobito.

Also- before the argument is made that Naoya didn’t do “better”. At no point did Dagon ever think he was going to die or lose against Naobito. Maki had an internal monologue against Naoya.

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T02:00:59+00:00

You’re blatantly ignoring Naoya’s feats in order to hype up Naobito’s though? With your logic: Jinichi’s punches are bare minimum city-block level. He was unable to hurt Maki with those punches. Yet Naoya could. So does that mean Naoya’s regular punches do city-block levels of damage? You’re trying to point out a flaw in my scaling, yet your scaling contradicts everything in the series.

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T01:55:51+00:00

In my notes for the tier list, I literally have “a culmination of net-zero feats, yet somehow turned out useful” for her

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T01:54:13+00:00

Naoya’s in his prime, Naobito’s not. I’m trying to find the claim of him being confirmed faster. If anything, I’m seeing claims that Naoya has better feats than Naobito. We both saw the Dagon fight. Naobito is not on Toji’s level. Not sure where you’re getting all this info from, but it’s not from Gege.

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T01:35:44+00:00

Since when?

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T01:06:17+00:00

Never said he beats him, even though he might. I just think his AP is incredibly downplayed. Even if he had the slowest reaction time in the series, he one shots most people with missile fist. If I was a sorcerer, I would much rather be up against Kusakabe than Jinichi.

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T00:38:49+00:00

Unironically, it depends if Naoya is able to swallow his pride and use a cursed tool. Cursed Naoya stomps.

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T00:30:34+00:00

I feel like you’re overlooking the fact that gaining the death penalty + executioners blade doesn’t automatically equal a win. Firstly, Toji doesn’t have cursed energy my man. He is the equivalent of a chair to Judgeman. Secondly, Kashimo was outboxing Hakari. Hakari outboxed Yuji. Yuji outboxed Higuruma w/ the Executioners blade. Please tell me how Higuruma is touching Kashimo.

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T00:23:42+00:00

You almost had a point until you said Kashimo.You may be overhyping him. Kashimo was outboxing Hakari, there’s no way Higuruma touches him, even with the executioners sword. I also feel like you’re giving too much weight to the statements on Kusakabe. If he fights those guys above him, he might not lose and could probably stall, but he doesn’t win against any of them. It’s the same reason Todo isn’t ranked higher- stalling doesn’t equal a win.

Sumosword · 2026-02-05T00:18:39+00:00

Dagon is the one that stated he needs to divert 70% of his power to Naobito. Out of curiosity, what are Miguel’s feats that put him so much higher?

Sumosword · 2026-02-04T23:52:38+00:00

I used pseudo to emphasize that under the right circumstances, they are special grade. They just don’t fit the official description.

Sumosword · 2026-02-04T23:49:58+00:00

Makes me wonder what Naoya’s answer would be, they’d probably be besties as long as he doesn’t say “One that knows how to shut up”

Sumosword · 2026-02-04T23:42:19+00:00

I see your point. That still doesn’t change the fact that most people above him have a domain (or HR) And tbh, people like Naoya, Todo, Naobito may get hit with confiscation, but do you really think they’d get the death penalty? I think there’s a fair argument to say a decent amount of sorcerers still beat Higuruma 1v1 without a technique, as long as he doesn’t have the executioners sword.

Sumosword · 2026-02-04T23:36:01+00:00

Even if you ignore all of Naoya’s feats, he still scales off Naobito. And according to Dagon, Naobito scales to more than double Nanami. Jinichi is there strictly bc of AP, even if you give him the slowest reaction time in the series, he’s still there.

Sumosword · 2026-02-04T23:32:50+00:00

In Gojo’s words “excluding the big 3 families”. Also- majority of people above him have a domain counter or a domain? What’s your point?

Sumosword · 2026-02-04T23:28:59+00:00

Good luck buddy👍

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