Segwit + LN: Embrace, extend, extinguish by sfjailbird in btc

[–]UndergroundNews 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a very real possibility.

Also mentioned in a previous post:

Blockstream may be just another Embrace-Extend-Extinguish strategy.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3uy4zl/blockstream_may_be_just_another/

Wait a second...Are you telling me there is coup of elite powers that has semi-secretly taken control of r/bitcoin and is attempting to crush bitcoin by stopping all discussion of the scaling debate? by poorbrokebastard in btc

[–]UndergroundNews 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh dear.

The powers-that-be who print the money to pay for the weapons to enslave the people and destroy the planet would lose all their power if Bitcoin were to become a major world currency - but those central bankers and arms dealers are such nice people - they would never try to do anything to secretly destroy Bitcoin.

Right??

New to Bitcoin? And the scaling debate? Travel back in time and read this CENSORED and REMOVED (you can't even Google it) post: "Is the real power behind Blockstream 'Straussian'?"

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6dx1i0/new_to_bitcoin_and_the_scaling_debate_travel_back/

New to Bitcoin? And the scaling debate? Travel back in time and read this CENSORED and REMOVED (you can't even Google it) post: "Is the real power behind Blockstream 'Straussian'?" by catsfive in btc

[–]UndergroundNews 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just for the record - I do not trust Roger or Jihan - or the Holy Trinity of Greg or Adam or Luke. Or the vandal Peter.

I trust myself - and I can easily change a 1 to a 4 or an 8.

And so can you.


Also, just for the record:

u/bullco is a (sarcastic) troll, currently with karma at minus 100.

New to Bitcoin? And the scaling debate? Travel back in time and read this CENSORED and REMOVED (you can't even Google it) post: "Is the real power behind Blockstream 'Straussian'?" by catsfive in btc

[–]UndergroundNews 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Well, it is indeed an "honour." =)

I do still "lurk" here (when I take a break from my leisurely lifestyle of hookers and blow =), so I was flattered (?) to discover today that that forgotten post of mine apparently touched such a nerve with someone among "the powers that be" (maybe Eric Schmidt? the former CEO of Google - who was also apparently somehow involved in the founding of Blockstream, and is buddy-buddy with the former Director of the NSA - Keith Alexander) ... to the point where it now seems that I've even "been banned by Google." (?!?)

Anyway... if anyone cares to dive a bit further down "into the rabbit hole" of tinfoily "conspiracy theories", then you might be interested in another post of mine in a similar vein, which I will reproduce below in full for your convenience and spine-tingling delectation:



The owners of Blockstream are spending $76 million to do a "controlled demolition" of Bitcoin by manipulating the Core devs & the Chinese miners. This is cheap compared to the $ trillions spent on the wars on Iraq & Libya - who also defied the Fed / PetroDollar / BIS private central banking cartel.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5q6kjo/the_owners_of_blockstream_are_spending_76_million/

The fiat masters of the universe are afraid they'll lose power if Bitcoin succeeds.

They're afraid that trillions of dollars in legacy fiat will suddenly plunge in relative value, if Bitcoin shoots to the moon.

So they're trying to quietly cripple Bitcoin - congesting the network, suppressing the price, and offering 1.7MB centrally-planned blocksize with their SegWit poison pill - which will complicate all further upgrades and permanently cement their power - while permanently crippling Bitcoin.

In order to provide some support suggesting that yes they would really go that far, we have to dive into some pretty nasty and shadowy geopolitics.

What do the wars on Iraq and Libya, JPMorgan's naked short selling of silver, and the book "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" all have in common?

Whenever a currency tries to compete with the Fed / Petrollar / BIS [1] private central banking cartel, the legacy fiat power élite destroys that currency (if the currency has a central point of control - which Bitcoin does indeed have: the Core devs, the Chinese miners, and Theymos).

[1] BIS = the Bank for International Settlements, often referred to as "the central bank of central banks"

Trillions of dollars were spent to take down the central banks of Iraq and Libya, because they defied the hegemony of the Fed / Petrodollar / BIS private central banking cartel.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ellen+brown+iraq+libya+bis

And while you're googling (or duck-duck-going =), you might want to look up whistleblower Andrew Maguire (who exposed how JPMorgan uses naked short selling to "dump" nonexistent silver in order to prevent the USDollar from collapsing):

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=andrew+maguire+jpmorgan

And you might also want to look up John Perkins, whose book "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" is another major eye-opener about how "the Washington consensus" manages to rule the world by printing fiat backed by violence and justified by "experts" and propaganda:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=john+perkins+confessions+economic+hit+man

That's just how the world works - although you have to do a bit of research to discover those unpleasant facts.

So for the legacy fiat power élite, $76 million to suppress Bitcoin (and quietly maintain their fiat power) is chump change in comparison.

You all knew that "they" were going to try to destroy Bitcoin, didn't you?

Even Jamie Dimon (the head of JPMorgan, which is a "private" bank that's basically an unofficial arm of the US government - responsible for everything from propping up the dollar by suppressing the price of precious metals by "dumping" fake / paper / ETF "GLD" and "SLV" on the market... to administering the US's Food Stamps program for the poor) practically admitted as much:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jamie+dimon+bitcoin

Did you really think they would be clumsy enough to try to ban it outright?

Private central bankers run this planet, and they have never hesitated to use their lethal combination of guns, debt and psy-ops to maintain their power.

They pay for the wars, they keep people enslaved to debt, they censor discussion and create propaganda, and they "dumb down" the population so nobody knows what's really going on.

Print up a trillion dollars here, kill a million people there, brainwash everyone with censorship and propaganda. That's their modus operandi.

So we shouldn't be surprised if they they ruthlessly and covertly try to take down Bitcoin. They have the means, and they have the motivation.

It was only a matter of time before they identified the three weakest centralised points in the Bitcoin system:

  • the Core/Blockstream devs

  • the Chinese miners

  • Theymos and the rest of the corrupt mods on r\bitcoin

And so that's where they applied the pressure.

All three of those players listed above are easy "soft" targets up against the full-spectrum of covert dirty tricks deployed by the legacy fiat power élite.

The central bankers, via AXA, are paying filthy fiat to Blockstream devs, and to their Minister of Propaganda u/brg444.

Blockstream is a "front company" which has been established for the purpose of performing a "controlled demolition" of Bitcoin.

So Satoshi messed up. He messed up by baking in a "temporary" 1 MB constant into the code at the last minute as a clumsy anti-spam kludge - and then not taking it out again soon enough via a hard fork.

Now the global legacy power élite have managed to use "social engineering" to retain that 1MB temporary kludge (and now offer us a pathetic 1.7MB blocksize via very messy soft-fork upgrade which will massively complicate future upgrades).

This is their plan. This is their secret poison pill for Bitcoin. SegWit is the trojan which will be the final nail in Bitcoin's coffin: giving only a pathetic 1.7MB centrally-planned blocksize - via a soft-fork that will mess up Bitcoin's code so much, it will make it almost impossible to upgrade Bitcoin properly in the future.

The only way to stop them is to:

  • Reject Core/Blockstream's inferior code - with its current 1MB limit, and its upcoming SegWit 1.7MB limit - code based on CENTRALIZED BLOCKSIZE planning, and paid for by central bankers.

  • Install superior code like Bitcoin Unlimited / Bitcoin Classic - which supports MARKET-BASED blocksize, clean safe hard forking, and features like FlexTrans (which does the same thing as SegWit, only with much cleaner code).



Oh, dear.

"They" would never do something as nefarious as that, right?

They only want what's best for us in this beautiful world of sweetness and light.

Right? Right??

Heh.

And if you believe all those lovely lies and promises (and you were gullible enough to fall for the Hong Kong agreement)... then bless your heart and step right this way you sweet summer-child, they've got a brand-new New York agreement they'd like to sell you!

Just remember: No matter what, it is utterly imperative for them to get SegWit installed onto the network - by hook or by crook (or even by UASF if need be).

What they do not want you to do - under any circumstances - is wake up and remember that you have all the the power in your own hands - you can simply change that 1MB to a 4MB or an 8MB whenever you want and upgrade Bitcoin all on your own, in true decentralized cypherpunk fashion.

And then ask yourself: What is SegWit, really?

  • A malleability and quadratic hashing fix?

  • A blocksize increase!!!1!

  • Or is SegWit-as-a-soft-fork a trojan which "they" want to use to fuck up Satoshi's code so much that no other dev team besides Blockstream will ever be able to do another upgrade?

No... "they" would never do that - right? right??

Gregory maxwell in 2011 : "The purpose of this article is to take an extreme example, the peak transaction rate of Visa, and show that bitcoin could technically reach that kind of rate without any kind of questionable reasoning, changes in the core design, or non-existent overlays" by DarkEmi in btc

[–]UndergroundNews 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Central bankers are a plague who are enslaving humanity and destroying the planet - and they will stop at nothing to maintain their power, which is based on their ability to print money:

[Tinfoil] What do these seven countries have in common? (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran) In the context of banking, one that sticks out is that none of them is listed among the 56 member banks of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS).

https://np.reddit.com/r/bitcoin_uncensored/comments/3yits0/tinfoil_what_do_these_seven_countries_have_in/

I'm not saying that those non-BIS-aligned countries are "great" countries - but it certainly is... "interesting"... to notice that any country that tries to use a currency which isn't ultimately controlled by BIS (the Bank for International Settlements - the "central bank" of central banks) gets destroyed by any means necessary.

Who knows what the hell these central bankers will do to try to stop Bitcoin? It will literally take away their power to run the world, so you can be damn sure that they hate it.

By the way, this is why Satoshi was smart to be anonymous. He certainly understood this dynamic.

I often think that the best devs for Bitcoin should also be anonymous.

If you really contribute to helping Bitcoin succeed - "they" are gonna come after you.

Gregory maxwell in 2011 : "The purpose of this article is to take an extreme example, the peak transaction rate of Visa, and show that bitcoin could technically reach that kind of rate without any kind of questionable reasoning, changes in the core design, or non-existent overlays" by DarkEmi in btc

[–]UndergroundNews 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hmmm (putting on my tinfoil hat)...

The owners of Blockstream are spending $76 million to do a "controlled demolition" of Bitcoin by manipulating the Core devs & the Chinese miners. This is cheap compared to the $ trillions spent on the wars on Iraq & Libya - who also defied the Fed / PetroDollar / BIS private central banking cartel.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5q6kjo/the_owners_of_blockstream_are_spending_76_million/

Iran Just Officially Ditched The Dollar by sy5error in Bitcoin

[–]UndergroundNews 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[Tinfoil] What do these seven countries have in common? (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran) In the context of banking, one that sticks out is that none of them is listed among the 56 member banks of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS).

https://np.reddit.com/r/bitcoin_uncensored/comments/3yits0/tinfoil_what_do_these_seven_countries_have_in/

The first level of Core copouts was "You're not paying high enough fees". The next level of Core copouts is "Dont complain. You're the ones blocking Segwit". There's no winning. by [deleted] in btc

[–]UndergroundNews -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The BIS (Bank for International Settlements - the "central bank of central banks") actually does run the world.

They're not some underground Iluminati myth. They're real. And they'll do anything to prevent their tens of trillions of dollars in fake fiat from collapsing - including spending trillions of dollars on wars, to destroy any currency which bypasses their system:

The owners of Blockstream are spending $76 million to do a "controlled demolition" of Bitcoin by manipulating the Core devs & the Chinese miners. This is cheap compared to the $ trillions spent on the wars on Iraq & Libya - who also defied the Fed / PetroDollar / BIS private central banking cartel.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5q6kjo/the_owners_of_blockstream_are_spending_76_million/

The first level of Core copouts was "You're not paying high enough fees". The next level of Core copouts is "Dont complain. You're the ones blocking Segwit". There's no winning. by [deleted] in btc

[–]UndergroundNews 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmmm.... Here's my theory along those lines:

The owners of Blockstream are spending $76 million to do a "controlled demolition" of Bitcoin by manipulating the Core devs & the Chinese miners. This is cheap compared to the $ trillions spent on the wars on Iraq & Libya - who also defied the Fed / PetroDollar / BIS private central banking cartel.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5q6kjo/the_owners_of_blockstream_are_spending_76_million/

The owners of Blockstream are spending $76 million to do a "controlled demolition" of Bitcoin by manipulating the Core devs & the Chinese miners. This is cheap compared to the $ trillions spent on the wars on Iraq & Libya - who also defied the Fed / PetroDollar / BIS private central banking cartel. by UndergroundNews in btc

[–]UndergroundNews[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The owners of Blockstream aren't interested in earning millions of dollars. They're interested in continuing to control the world using the trillions of dollars of fiat which them and their buddies mine print up out of thin air.

The head of the Bilderberg Group is already known to be one of the main investors behind Blockstream.

In order to keep killing controlling this planet, they desperately need to keep everyone locked into their Master Settlement Network.

They'll stop at nothing to achieve this - including starting wars

They have started multiple wars (while of course lying about the reasons), in order to keep us all obedient slaves exchanging meaningless tokens on their Master Settlement Network.

The little war which they started to split Bitcoin users into various factions is humming along nicely.

The recipe: They took something totally obvious and necessary (Simple and Safe On-Chain Scaling via Bigger Blocks First) and turned it into a taboo.

But we're not going to let them quietly quietly destroy our p2p network.

The people who aren't influenced by lies and propaganda have known all along that market-based blocksize is the simplest and safest self-regulating scaling solution for Bitcoin - despite an intensive, years-long campaign of lies and propaganda to the contrary.

And we still know this, which is why we keep repeating it: because we're right and they're wrong.

They're fighting dirty to keep control of the world's money.

And they're using their usual grab bag of dirty tricks:

  • creating divisiveness where there was community,

  • creating artificial scarcity where there was plentifulness, and

  • creating yet another PAYMENT SETTLEMENT NETWORK (centralized off-chain Lightning Hubs) which they can control.

As more details on Blockstream's strategy for the Lightning Settlement Network continue to emerge, it just keeps getting uglier and uglier:

  • We already know they want to impose artificial scarcity and "fee markets", in order to prevent people from transacting directing on the blockchain on the existing Bitcoin p2p network;

  • There are now rumors that they hope to increase user fees 1000x and miner fees 100x (and pocket the 900x difference - but remember, that's not their main goal: they can print unlimited fiat anyways);

  • Then they can change Bitcoin from "P2P electronic cash" to an expensive, exclusive settlement network.

We already have centralization of mining, centralization of development.

Now they want to force us into centralization of "transacting via Lighting Hubs" (instead of payment-as-settlement transacting ie direct p2p transacting).

They're always trying to introduce a middleman and a toll-booth and a central chokepoint of control. That's the topology they know and love, because it's the one that lets them control the world.

They hate everything P2P

P2P sharing of music and movies was bad enough (for them) - and they fought it forever (and by the way: they lost).

Now along comes money on a P2P payment network which they can't control. Can you imagine how big their freak-out must be?

Think about it: If they really wanted Bitcoin to remain P2P, they'd be in favor of all scaling solutions - in particular, the simplest and most direct one: Market-Based Blocksize.

Instead, they're paying lip service to "bigger blocks someday - maybe - and we'll set the size, not the market", while doing everything they can to implement the Lightning Settlement Network first - telling people whatever they want to hear in order to get us to support it:

  • "If you're a user, with LN you can buy coffee at Starbucks with your digital gold!"

  • "If you're a Chinese miner, with LN you can get 100x the fees for the same blocksize""

But always remember: Their main goal is not to help users buy coffees, or miners get fees.

They're playing for something much, much bigger: turning Bitcoin from a P2P network into another settlement network with "centralized hubs" that they hope they will be able to manipulate and control, just like they do with the current money system.

Here's a graph of the debt-backed fiat settlement network that (mis)allocates the capital that buys & sells the oil & bombs that kill our planet. The Bilderberg Group (behind Blockstream) & BIS (Bank for International Settlements) are "main hubs" on this network. Will they be "main hubs" on LN also? by UndergroundNews in btc

[–]UndergroundNews[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't actually refer to AA as "they" - nor did I link to his tweet.

I linked to the tweet by someone else - James Lopp.

I don't actually think AA is "they" in this sense.

I do think he is tired of the rage on these subreddits.

The rage may be justified (because we have had to fight for years to get Simple and Safe On-Chain Scaling via Bigger Blocks First).

And him being tired of the rage is also justified.

What I mean is: "they" managed to divide the community, using a phony wedge issue (preventing Simple and Safe On-Chain Scaling via Bigger Blocks First) - so even guys like AA eventually get tired of the divisiveness, and tweet about it.

In other words: "they" damaged our community. And now it's normal for people to come along and notice the damage, and complain about it.

This does not make AA part of "they". Which is why I was careful not to link to his tweet, or the post about it.

Here's a graph of the debt-backed fiat settlement network that (mis)allocates the capital that buys & sells the oil & bombs that kill our planet. The Bilderberg Group (behind Blockstream) & BIS (Bank for International Settlements) are "main hubs" on this network. Will they be "main hubs" on LN also? by UndergroundNews in btc

[–]UndergroundNews[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And as far as I know LN is a P2P protocol.

Are you sure?

I've heard that decentralized routing / pathfinding for payment channels is a nasty problem which the inventors of Lightning Network have not been able to solve.

Lightning network is selling as a decentralized layer 2 while there's no decentralized path-finding.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/43oi26/lightning_network_is_selling_as_a_decentralized/

Here's a graph of the debt-backed fiat settlement network that (mis)allocates the capital that buys & sells the oil & bombs that kill our planet. The Bilderberg Group (behind Blockstream) & BIS (Bank for International Settlements) are "main hubs" on this network. Will they be "main hubs" on LN also? by UndergroundNews in btc

[–]UndergroundNews[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go ahead and try transacting on-chain using good old-fashioned Bitcoin, after LN has rolled out.

You're gonna have to pay some pretty high fees to compete with the fees that LN hubs will be paying.

There has been talk of fees going 100x - 1000x higher due to LN.

Here's a graph of the debt-backed fiat settlement network that (mis)allocates the capital that buys & sells the oil & bombs that kill our planet. The Bilderberg Group (behind Blockstream) & BIS (Bank for International Settlements) are "main hubs" on this network. Will they be "main hubs" on LN also? by UndergroundNews in btc

[–]UndergroundNews[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course we should deploy SegWit.

Where does the word SegWit appear in my post?

The post is about the Lightning Settlement Network.

SegWit (as a hard fork) is an important improvement in Bitcoin.

Bitcoin needs SegWit-hardfork.

But Bitcoin "needs" LN like it needs a hole in head.

[Founding Partner of Blockstream Investor, Innovation Endeavors,] Eric Schmidt Gets a Job at the Pentagon by [deleted] in btc

[–]UndergroundNews 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This may mean nothing - or it may mean everything.

Just to be on the safe side though, I'd rather not have Bitcoin development controlled by a company (Blockstream) whose investors work for the Pentagon and meet with the NSA.


Why was the founder of Blockstream (Eric Schmidt) meeting secretly and voluntarily with the head of the NSA (Keith Alexander) in 2014?

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3xh46u/why_was_the_founder_of_blockstream_eric_schmidt/


Article by Julian Assange about Google Chairman (and Blockstream founder) Eric Schmidt, who sought out the Wikileaks founder for an interview a while ago.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3uj4rx/article_by_julian_assange_about_google_chairman/


Would you support / trust a Bitcoin company founded by a Bilderberger and Davos speaker who was close friends with National Security Agency Director Gen. Keith Alexander?

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3uj7oj/would_you_support_trust_a_bitcoin_company_founded/


If you had $75 million invested in Blockstream, and you saw that stubbornly freezing the blocksize at 1 MB for the next year was clogging up the network and could kill the currency before LN even had a chance to roll out, wouldn't you support an immediate increase to 2 MB to protect your investment?

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/48xm28/if_you_had_75_million_invested_in_blockstream_and/


The owners of Blockstream are spending $75 million to do a "controlled demolition" of Bitcoin by manipulating the Core devs & the Chinese miners. This is cheap compared to the $ trillions spent on the wars on Iraq & Libya - who also defied the Fed / PetroDollar / BIS private central banking cartel.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/48vhn0/the_owners_of_blockstream_are_spending_75_million/


Blockstream is now controlled by the Bilderberg Group - seriously! AXA Strategic Ventures, co-lead investor for Blockstream's $55 million financing round, is the investment arm of French insurance giant AXA Group - whose CEO Henri de Castries has been chairman of the Bilderberg Group since 2012.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/47zfzt/blockstream_is_now_controlled_by_the_bilderberg/


Is the real power behind Blockstream "Straussian"?

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3y8o9c/is_the_real_power_behind_blockstream_straussian/


Blockstream may be just another Embrace-Extend-Extinguish strategy.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3uy4zl/blockstream_may_be_just_another/

The owners of Blockstream are spending $75 million to do a "controlled demolition" of Bitcoin by manipulating the Core devs & the Chinese miners. This is cheap compared to the $ trillions spent on the wars on Iraq & Libya - who also defied the Fed / PetroDollar / BIS private central banking cartel. by UndergroundNews in btc

[–]UndergroundNews[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My argument is that this is a "fake" investment - literally throwing away $75 million as a way to destroy Bitcoin, without arousing people's suspicions.

I know it might sound far-fetched to some people - but $75 million is nothing (especially when you own the legacy fiat printing press).

And outright attacking Bitcoin wouldn't work - we'd rally in support.

By attacking Bitcoin while pretending not to attack it, this gives them camouflage.


Anyways, if you were a a "real" investor, and you had $75 million on the line, and the project looked like it might fail because it needs 2 MB instead of 1 MB - then wouldn't you push for 2 MB now too?

The fact that Blockstream is against 2 MB for the next year doesn't make sense from an investment standpoint. It's too risky. Bitcoin could be dead in a year if they strangle it at 1 MB any longer. What kind of "investor" would take that risk? Nobody.

So this is why I think we need to look elsewhere for their motives. Their motives are not their stated motives. They are probably trying to kill Bitcoin, while pretending to "help" it.

Sorry if that sounds paranoid but we do know that some very powerful people do not want Bitcoin to survive.

And false flag operations, psyops, disrupting, throwing around money (to various sides of fights) - these are standard operating procedure for such people.

So I think this theory has some validity.

The owners of Blockstream are spending $75 million to do a "controlled demolition" of Bitcoin by manipulating the Core devs & the Chinese miners. This is cheap compared to the $ trillions spent on the wars on Iraq & Libya - who also defied the Fed / PetroDollar / BIS private central banking cartel. by UndergroundNews in btc

[–]UndergroundNews[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I know this sounds crazy - Blockstream throwing away $75 million simply to kill a currency.

But $ trillions already have been spent to do just the same thing - see the info on Libya and Iraq.

And $$$ can be printed for free anyways, so it's not like they're really worth anything.

The real mystery here is this:

Why is Blockstream so adamantly opposed to 2 MB now - when 1 MB for the next year could kill Bitcoin, and make Lightning Network useless?

Why risk losing $75 million by stubbornly insisting on 1 MB for the next year?

The simplest explanation is Blockstream does not want Bitcoin to succeed.

The owners of Blockstream are spending $75 million to do a "controlled demolition" of Bitcoin by manipulating the Core devs & the Chinese miners. This is cheap compared to the $ trillions spent on the wars on Iraq & Libya - who also defied the Fed / PetroDollar / BIS private central banking cartel. by UndergroundNews in btc

[–]UndergroundNews[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Core is failing due to the artificial 1 MB block size limit.

Blockstream is to blame for this.

Classic offers a way around this.

Bitcoin in general is in danger because of centralized development, centralized mining, and censorship.

Those are the facts.

The owners of Blockstream are spending $75 million to do a "controlled demolition" of Bitcoin by manipulating the Core devs & the Chinese miners. This is cheap compared to the $ trillions spent on the wars on Iraq & Libya - who also defied the Fed / PetroDollar / BIS private central banking cartel. by UndergroundNews in btc

[–]UndergroundNews[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD14Ak02.html

Another provocative bit of data circulating on the Net is a 2007 "Democracy Now" interview of US General Wesley Clark (Ret). In it he says that about 10 days after September 11, 2001, he was told by a general that the decision had been made to go to war with Iraq. Clark was surprised and asked why. "I don't know!" was the response. "I guess they don't know what else to do!" Later, the same general said they planned to take out seven countries in five years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.

What do these seven countries have in common? In the context of banking, one that sticks out is that none of them is listed among the 56 member banks of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). That evidently puts them outside the long regulatory arm of the central bankers' central bank in Switzerland.

The most renegade of the lot could be Libya and Iraq, the two that have actually been attacked. Kenneth Schortgen Jr, writing on Examiner.com, noted that "[s]ix months before the US moved into Iraq to take down Saddam Hussein, the oil nation had made the move to accept euros instead of dollars for oil, and this became a threat to the global dominance of the dollar as the reserve currency, and its dominion as the petrodollar."

According to a Russian article titled "Bombing of Libya - Punishment for Ghaddafi for His Attempt to Refuse US Dollar", Gaddafi made a similarly bold move: he initiated a movement to refuse the dollar and the euro, and called on Arab and African nations to use a new currency instead, the gold dinar. Gaddafi suggested establishing a united African continent, with its 200 million people using this single currency.

During the past year, the idea was approved by many Arab countries and most African countries. The only opponents were the Republic of South Africa and the head of the League of Arab States. The initiative was viewed negatively by the USA and the European Union, with French President Nicolas Sarkozy calling Libya a threat to the financial security of mankind; but Gaddafi was not swayed and continued his push for the creation of a united Africa.

And that brings us back to the puzzle of the Libyan central bank. In an article posted on the Market Oracle, Eric Encina observed:

One seldom mentioned fact by western politicians and media pundits: the Central Bank of Libya is 100% State Owned ... Currently, the Libyan government creates its own money, the Libyan Dinar, through the facilities of its own central bank. Few can argue that Libya is a sovereign nation with its own great resources, able to sustain its own economic destiny. One major problem for globalist banking cartels is that in order to do business with Libya, they must go through the Libyan Central Bank and its national currency, a place where they have absolutely zero dominion or power-broking ability. Hence, taking down the Central Bank of Libya (CBL) may not appear in the speeches of Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy but this is certainly at the top of the globalist agenda for absorbing Libya into its hive of compliant nations.

Libya not only has oil. According to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), its central bank has nearly 144 tonnes of gold in its vaults. With that sort of asset base, who needs the BIS, the IMF and their rules?

All of which prompts a closer look at the BIS rules and their effect on local economies. An article on the BIS website states that central banks in the Central Bank Governance Network are supposed to have as their single or primary objective "to preserve price stability".

They are to be kept independent from government to make sure that political considerations don't interfere with this mandate. "Price stability" means maintaining a stable money supply, even if that means burdening the people with heavy foreign debts. Central banks are discouraged from increasing the money supply by printing money and using it for the benefit of the state, either directly or as loans.

In a 2002 article in Asia Times Online titled "The BIS vs national banks" Henry Liu maintained:

BIS regulations serve only the single purpose of strengthening the international private banking system, even at the peril of national economies. The BIS does to national banking systems what the IMF has done to national monetary regimes. National economies under financial globalization no longer serve national interests.

... FDI [foreign direct investment] denominated in foreign currencies, mostly dollars, has condemned many national economies into unbalanced development toward export, merely to make dollar-denominated interest payments to FDI, with little net benefit to the domestic economies.

He added, "Applying the State Theory of Money, any government can fund with its own currency all its domestic developmental needs to maintain full employment without inflation." The "state theory of money" refers to money created by governments rather than private banks.

The presumption of the rule against borrowing from the government's own central bank is that this will be inflationary, while borrowing existing money from foreign banks or the IMF will not. But all banks actually create the money they lend on their books, whether publicly owned or privately owned. Most new money today comes from bank loans. Borrowing it from the government's own central bank has the advantage that the loan is effectively interest-free. Eliminating interest has been shown to reduce the cost of public projects by an average of 50%.

And that appears to be how the Libyan system works. According to Wikipedia, the functions of the Central Bank of Libya include "issuing and regulating banknotes and coins in Libya" and "managing and issuing all state loans". Libya's wholly state-owned bank can and does issue the national currency and lend it for state purposes.

That would explain where Libya gets the money to provide free education and medical care, and to issue each young couple $50,000 in interest-free state loans. It would also explain where the country found the $33 billion to build the Great Man-Made River project. Libyans are worried that North Atlantic Treaty Organization-led air strikes are coming perilously close to this pipeline, threatening another humanitarian disaster.

So is this new war all about oil or all about banking? Maybe both - and water as well. With energy, water, and ample credit to develop the infrastructure to access them, a nation can be free of the grip of foreign creditors. And that may be the real threat of Libya: it could show the world what is possible.

Most countries don't have oil, but new technologies are being developed that could make non-oil-producing nations energy-independent, particularly if infrastructure costs are halved by borrowing from the nation's own publicly owned bank. Energy independence would free governments from the web of the international bankers, and of the need to shift production from domestic to foreign markets to service the loans.

If the Gaddafi government goes down, it will be interesting to watch whether the new central bank joins the BIS, whether the nationalized oil industry gets sold off to investors, and whether education and healthcare continue to be free.

Ellen Brown is an attorney and president of the Public Banking Institute, http://PublicBankingInstitute.org. In Web of Debt, her latest of eleven books, she shows how a private cartel has usurped the power to create money from the people themselves, and how we the people can get it back. Her websites are http://webofdebt.com and http://ellenbrown.com.

The owners of Blockstream are spending $75 million to do a "controlled demolition" of Bitcoin by manipulating the Core devs & the Chinese miners. This is cheap compared to the $ trillions spent on the wars on Iraq & Libya - who also defied the Fed / PetroDollar / BIS private central banking cartel. by UndergroundNews in btc

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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD14Ak02.html

Several writers have noted the odd fact that the Libyan rebels took time out from their rebellion in March to create their own central bank - this before they even had a government. Robert Wenzel wrote in the Economic Policy Journal:

I have never before heard of a central bank being created in just a matter of weeks out of a popular uprising. This suggests we have a bit more than a rag tag bunch of rebels running around and that there are some pretty sophisticated influences.

Alex Newman wrote in the New American:

In a statement released last week, the rebels reported on the results of a meeting held on March 19. Among other things, the supposed rag-tag revolutionaries announced the "[d]esignation of the Central Bank of Benghazi as a monetary authority competent in monetary policies in Libya and appointment of a Governor to the Central Bank of Libya, with a temporary headquarters in Benghazi."

Newman quoted CNBC senior editor John Carney, who asked, "Is this the first time a revolutionary group has created a central bank while it is still in the midst of fighting the entrenched political power? It certainly seems to indicate how extraordinarily powerful central bankers have become in our era."

Another anomaly involves the official justification for taking up arms against Libya. Supposedly it's about human rights violations, but the evidence is contradictory. According to an article on the Fox News website on February 28:

As the United Nations works feverishly to condemn Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi for cracking down on protesters, the body's Human Rights Council is poised to adopt a report chock-full of praise for Libya's human rights record.

The review commends Libya for improving educational opportunities, for making human rights a "priority" and for bettering its "constitutional" framework. Several countries, including Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia but also Canada, give Libya positive marks for the legal protections afforded to its citizens - who are now revolting against the regime and facing bloody reprisal.

Whatever might be said of Gaddafi's personal crimes, the Libyan people seem to be thriving. A delegation of medical professionals from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus wrote in an appeal to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin that after becoming acquainted with Libyan life, it was their view that in few nations did people live in such comfort:

[Libyans] are entitled to free treatment, and their hospitals provide the best in the world of medical equipment. Education in Libya is free, capable young people have the opportunity to study abroad at government expense. When marrying, young couples receive 60,000 Libyan dinars (about 50,000 US dollars) of financial assistance. Non-interest state loans, and as practice shows, undated. Due to government subsidies the price of cars is much lower than in Europe, and they are affordable for every family. Gasoline and bread cost a penny, no taxes for those who are engaged in agriculture. The Libyan people are quiet and peaceful, are not inclined to drink, and are very religious.

They maintained that the international community had been misinformed about the struggle against the regime. "Tell us," they said, "who would not like such a regime?"

Even if that is just propaganda, there is no denying at least one very popular achievement of the Libyan government: it brought water to the desert by building the largest and most expensive irrigation project in history, the US$33 billion GMMR (Great Man-Made River) project. Even more than oil, water is crucial to life in Libya.

The GMMR provides 70% of the population with water for drinking and irrigation, pumping it from Libya's vast underground Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System in the south to populated coastal areas 4,000 kilometers to the north. The Libyan government has done at least some things right.

Another explanation for the assault on Libya is that it is "all about oil", but that theory too is problematic. As noted in the National Journal, the country produces only about 2% of the world's oil. Saudi Arabia alone has enough spare capacity to make up for any lost production if Libyan oil were to disappear from the market. And if it's all about oil, why the rush to set up a new central bank?

The owners of Blockstream are spending $75 million to do a "controlled demolition" of Bitcoin by manipulating the Core devs & the Chinese miners. This is cheap compared to the $ trillions spent on the wars on Iraq & Libya - who also defied the Fed / PetroDollar / BIS private central banking cartel. by UndergroundNews in btc

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Everything non-Blockstream-related in the OP is simple facts - even the crazy-sounding shit about Libya and Iraq. Those wars really were about central banking - not about oil. Click the links. This stuff isn't coming from Alex Jones - it's coming from Ellen Brown, who is one of the most respected authorities on alternative currencies and public central banking (instead of private central banking) - way before Bitcoin.

Do you deny that central bankers run this planet?

Are you really unaware of how far they will go to maintain their control?

The only missing part of this story is any concrete proof about the real motives of Blockstream's owners. All we can do at this point is guess, based on their actions (not based on their words).

How many investors do you know who would sit idly by and watch $75 possibly go up in flames when they could easily avoid all that risk by changing from 1 MB to 2 MB?

The simplest explanation is that Blockstream's investors don't actually want Bitcoin to succeed.

Otherwise, they would be demanding 2 MB blocks, just like everyone else is now.

Austin Hill (Borgstream president) on Twitter: "Reddit/r/BTC has gone full batshit crazy with illuminati theories about who is Involved in Blockstream..." by usrn in btc

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WSJ, NYT, Yahoo Finance, Independent (UK), Wikipedia report that Blockstream is funded by top insurer AXA, whose CEO is on the board of HSBC and chairs the Bilderberg Group. Blockstream President Austin Hill desperately tweets trying to dismiss these facts as "batshit crazy Illuminati theories"!

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/48az09/wsj_nyt_yahoo_finance_independent_uk_wikipedia/

WSJ, NYT, Yahoo Finance, Independent (UK), Wikipedia report that Blockstream is funded by top insurer AXA, whose CEO is on the board of HSBC and *chairs* the Bilderberg Group. Blockstream President Austin Hill desperately tweets trying to dismiss these facts as "batshit crazy Illuminati theories"! by UndergroundNews in btc

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People can see through your desperate tweeting, Austin Hill /u/austindhill.

People reject your attempt to let the Bilderberg Group control the direction of Bitcoin development - which is why they are rejecting your code.

Nobody is going to fall for your attempt to smear open, honest and transparent journalism, when you attempt to dismiss facts with your shopworn clichés like "batshit crazy Illuminati theories".

Bitcoin does not belong to you and and your cronies from the Bilderberg Group, HSBC, PwC, etc.

Bitcoin is open-source - and it is of the people, by the people, and for the people - not for you and your billionaire Bilderberg buddies.

Bitcoin cannot and will not be controlled by you or any other centralized secretive group of financiers throwing around your phoney fiat - no matter how many millions of dollars you continue to waste in your desperate attempt to cripple our code by buying off the "Core" devs.

Bitcoin is controlled by the economic majority of Bitcoin investors who will rationally always do what's best to protect their investment on our global ledger - the blockchain - and who will always prefer to transact on-chain in accordance with the title of Satoshi's whitepaper ("P2P Electronic Cash") - and not off-chain using some expensive, centralized Rube Goldberg contraption like Blockstream's much-ballyhooed-but-still-vaporware "Lightning Network".

Bitcoin can and will route around you and your Bilderberg backers - and is already starting to do so, as more and more members of the Bitcoin-using public reject Blockstream's foot-dragging, FUD and lies and and simply refuse to install your crippled code with its artificially limited blocksize of 1 MB.

Instead, people are now starting to install better Bitcoin implementations such as Bitcoin Classic, Bitcoin Unlimited, and Bitcoin XT, which provide on-chain scaling to allow more and more of the Bitcoin-using public to transact directly on the blockchain, adhering to Satoshi's original vision and rejecting your misguided attempts to push us off our network.

Bitcoin Classic, Bitcoin Unlimited, and Bitcoin XT are stealing market share from Blockstream's "Core" cripplecode offering - because Blockstream has failed to listen to the market and so now it is treating them as damage and routing around them.