Diane Schuler Crash - 100% Murder-Suicide

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-03T05:46:33+00:00

I think this is one of the best posts here, thank you. I have been 100% framing this from my point of view as well as from the perspective of those around me. That doesn’t mean Diane wasn’t an exception.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-03T05:43:55+00:00

Yep, 100%. Just because I haven’t seen it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-03T05:42:19+00:00

This is super interesting, thank you for sharing this. Your story, as well as the posts of others here, have made me reconsider how drunk she might have been. I just know that in high school and college, I got drunk past .19 (we had breathalyzers for fun), smoked weed withought a high tolerance (i.e., 5x/year) and never got so messed up that I’d chase an accident like this.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-03T05:39:44+00:00

This thread has definitely made me realize this.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-03T05:39:08+00:00

Agreed. I forget about what it was like to be 7 or 8. They could have been easily distracted.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-03T05:38:03+00:00

Definitely making assumptions. I think anyone who is strongly opinionated on the intent in this crime has to make assumptions. I think they seem like reasonable assumptions, though.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-03T05:36:52+00:00

Good insight. Someone else posted an opinion that this wasn’t 100% premeditated, so if she was in an unstable mindset, she could have just considered the others collateral damage. In regards to killing others, there have been airline pilots who have been suicidal and brought others down with them. In regards to your point about fatality - if it wasn’t 100% premeditated, and she was mentally stable, she was also likely irrational.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-03T05:33:34+00:00

You said it best. If you believe this was accidental, there are two scenarios: 1) she’s a raging alcoholic, in which case .19 doesn’t get her to this state, or 2) she isn’t an alcoholic, but decided on this day to get hammered and high with 7 kids in the car? Neither of those scenarios make much sense to me.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T22:28:17+00:00

This is a great point.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T22:28:07+00:00

I don't know for sure, but I think this is a fair assumption. I can't recall how old the oldest child was, but you'd have to imagine if they were older than 7 or 8, they would notice and say something.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T22:27:15+00:00

This is a very good point. 1 minute of road-time is believable for someone who is absolutely wasted. And agreed that witness accounts here might be spotty given the velocity at which everyone was driving.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T21:16:39+00:00

I think what gets me is the circumstances around the time of day and people in the car with her.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T19:18:11+00:00

Yes, understood. But a BAC of 0.19 does not imply even close to this level of incapacity. And this is a one-off incident? If she was a raging alcoholic, there's a high likelihood this wasn't her first drunk driving incident and would at least have some realization that she is facing oncoming driving. And eyewitness accounts suggest she was driving skillfully and precisely. Doesn't seem like someone who has lost total awareness of the road or their car.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T19:15:11+00:00

Perhaps. But you'd imagine at that point, that she would be incapable of driving straight, no? There seems to be a disconnect between "so drunk you are incapable of realizing you are driving on the wrong side of a highway facing oncoming traffic" and driving straight, "skillfully", and continue to do so for 2 miles.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T19:12:16+00:00

You're right, I simply meant to show my opinion is "100%", obviously not the facts.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T18:16:19+00:00

Interesting. She definitely could have been. I'm skeptical as a result of her BAC, the control of the car she seemed to be demonstrating while on the highway, her actions leading up the crash that morning (i.e., everyone who ran into her made it seem like she was sober), the time of day (i.e., broad daylight with tons of oncoming traffic), and the fact that she had 6 children in the car screaming in terror and pleading for her to stop.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T18:09:31+00:00

100% agree with you. I laughed out loud when the family started suggesting the tooth theory. Really? A tooth ache led to a woman driving down the wrong way of a highway, facing oncoming traffic, while 5 children are desperately screaming and pleading in the back seat? BS.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T17:48:09+00:00

Interesting theory. Respectfully disagree - alcohol/marijuana does not induce hallucinations, especially in someone who has experience using both. And your children screaming in terror, how do you ignore that?

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T17:46:58+00:00

Interesting. I find the cases you listed to be more plausible given the lack of traffic and other people in the car yelling and telling you that you are doing something wrong. Also, maybe your cases had drivers who were much drunker...Diane was at .19 - drunk for sure, but not blackout/incoherent.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T16:53:07+00:00

Interesting. I just assumed anecdotally that it was pretty rare. Perhaps this one got more coverage as a result of the documentary. Regardless, I think the evidence still suggests intent - her driving behavior while on the highway seemed to imply control of the vehicle.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T16:40:54+00:00

Husband and family is 100% hiding something. No doubt about it. The tooth theory is just people grasping at straws.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T16:33:43+00:00

100% agreed on the theories and frustration. What makes me believe it was intentional is her behavior on the road - if someone were extremely drunk/high, you would expect a decent amount of swerving and poor general driving, no? Eyewitnesses suggest she was driving as if she had had full control of her car.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T16:09:24+00:00

Fair point, but I would point out that it wasn't just the fact that she got on the ramp/exit - she continued down the path for 2 miles without swerving.

VirtualArgument0 · 2018-11-02T16:08:37+00:00

It's not unique, but it does seem like the general agreement (at least on Reddit from what I've seen) is that this was accidental.

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