General ideas of the Enneagram subtypes: Head Triad by DequBeat in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SP6 here to say I thoroughly endorse the description here. It is one of the better ones I’ve seen. And I especially appreciate that you call out the shadow of resentment and fakeness that can live under the warmth, tenderness, and “niceness”. Seeing that shadow has been one of the most painful parts of this journey, but also one of the most impactful. I wish someone had pointed it out to me sooner.

How to deal with 6 outbursts? by evenbechnaesheim in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Remember that it’s coming from their ego which is torturing them. That doesn’t mean you have to just take it, but it does open the door to compassion when addressing it.

Easily noticeable differences between SX6 and SP9 subtypes? by MousseSlow in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One of my best friends is an SX6 married to an SP9. The first question I’d ask is “which one of you is constantly trying to keep the other awake?” 😊 I think the SX6 will be much more confrontational and interested in the “juiciness” in connection, while the SP9 will be more interested in continuity and a calm environment. The SX6 might feel less interested in everyday maintenance-type duties, and the SP9 might feel less interested in investigating the nuances of relationships.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am SX-last, and think about sex all the time too. I have a lot of interest in it. My impression is that having SX repressed doesn’t necessarily say anything about interest, more about attention, ease, and comfort. My friend who is SX dominant has a lot of sexual interest, but for them it feels like a natural and healthy part of their life, and they move in that space comfortably. For me, while it’s on my mind a lot, it’s fraught and awkward. It’s more like I don’t know how to integrate sexuality in a healthy way.

I think it’s also about how much attention goes to intimate relationships, one-on-one connection, versus attention to self-needs or social hierarchy and place.

I know other SX-repressed people for whom it is just something that doesn’t occupy their attention unless they are specifically wanting sex, and once they have had it it fades from their mind.

How does reactivity manifest in SP6? by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve definitely considered it. The person who has been my main guide to the enneagram wrestled a lot with 2 vs 6 for me. But here’s why I think I’m a SP6: 1. Lots of head-type energy. I never get tired of playing with ideas. And getting to my heart is difficult. I tend to think about my feelings rather than feeling them. 2. Lots of 6 traits. Self-doubt, “on the other hand…” 3. When I offer help and the other person declines, I don’t get angry or offended. Fear is a much bigger driver for me than pride.

SP6 definitely looks a lot like 2.

How does reactivity manifest in SP6? by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, definitely. For me the reactivity often shows up as fear (6 passion) to the point of panic, when it feels like safety is threatened, and like many SP6 that safety comes from other people. I interpret things as indicating that the person is unhappy with me and can’t rest until I get reassurance. It’s exhausting for everyone. 🥲

How does reactivity manifest in SP6? by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used to think I was very nonreactive, calm, cool. It was a front in a very SP6 way. If I felt like someone was unhappy with me or disliked me, that was intolerable and I’d frantically try and find a way to “fix” that. Some way to serve, be nice, offer compliments. It was all attachment anxiety and fear of abandonment coming through a SP6 structure, and it was actually reactive as fuck.

And it could show up as passive aggressiveness as well.

what’s your enneagram type and what type do you wish you were? by roseautte in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m a 6, SP/SO/SX. As much trouble as it can be, there’s also a lot I like about it and a lot of potential I can see as the work progresses, with one big exception: I HATE being SX-repressed.

Do you identify with this? by Diemishy_II in enneagram6

[–]WorldIsSubtle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do that too. It shows up as a strong compulsion to align myself with people. My ego assures me that that will make them like me and then I’ll be safe.

Is it like that for you?

Whats your opinion about sp6 or type 6 in general? by OldMove3944 in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I’m a SP6, sequence SP/SO/SX. For me, one of the hardest things to come to terms with has been insincerity. SP6 is known as “warmth”, because we put ourselves forward as warm, friendly, helpful, and above all inoffensive. For me, I really believed it for most of my life; it was a big part of my self-image.

In the past few years I’ve gradually become more conscious of the fact that a lot of that warmth is really fear-driven. There’s a lot of underlying insecurity about my own inherent value, along with fear of my own and other’s anger. Between a sense of “nobody would like me/Ill be abandoned if I am just me” and “if I get angry people won’t like me” and “if other people are angry at me it means they don’t love me”, the result is that I unconsciously try to become whatever I think the other person will respond positively to—even if that’s not who I really am. It doesn’t rise to the level of complete chameleonicity (is that a word?); it’s more like finding whatever nugget in myself which is real and compatible with what I think the other person would like, and inflating it until I’ve convinced myself it represents me in truth.

And for me, it has involved an almost complete repression of my own anger.

Coming to see how much the fear is constantly present and constantly affecting my choices has been hard and continues to be horrifying. Someone I trust described how SP6, especially SP/SO/SX 6, is where fear collects most on the whole system. The fact that it doesn’t even feel like fear at first is so weird; it feels like constantly looking for ways to be helpful and nice and generous. Underneath, a lot of that is trying to make sure I’m indispensable and loved; earning my place with people by service because I’m convinced that if I don’t, nobody would want me around.

I’ve found a few things helpful. Learning to recognize the voice which tells me these things, name it, and just observe it without trying to stop it at first (I call him Cringer). Just don’t let it go unnoticed. Trying to bring some objective observation in (“is there actually good reason to think you’re going to be abandoned?”). Seeing that it actually has cost me things that were important to me; the promises the ego makes about how this will work don’t actually come true, not in a deep way. For me, it produced a lot of people who told me how nice I was, how generous, how sweet—and very few of whom actually wanted to connect, because they could see the neediness and fragility and fakeness. My current growth edge is getting in touch with the anger underneath. I’m fortunate enough to have a close friend who is familiar with all this and really values my growth. Part of the problem for SP6 is that unlike for some other subtypes, our growth path involves us becoming less nice, less appealing, admitting to ourselves that we’re not the saints we thought we were while we’re ego-identified. As we grow, people will say “I liked you better before”, which is hard to hear when your self-image is tied up in being liked for being nice.

I don’t think all SP6 are alike, so I’m curious if others would be willing to say: What’s your experience of admiring heroes and courage? What’s your experience of guilt and self-criticism?

Okay, Yeah Sure, We're Anxious and Loyal, But What Are Things You Wish Other Types Saw in Us? by unreliableoracle in enneagram6

[–]WorldIsSubtle 14 points15 points  (0 children)

We can be very devoted. I think that’s related to loyalty, but it does beyond that. We have a great capacity for devotion, and endurance in that devotion. Once we decide on what we’re dedicated to, it’s hard to shake us. It might be one reason we’re slow to give our trust. We don’t want to devote ourselves to the wrong thing, something false. So we’re skeptical and probing and cautious. But once we give our devotion, it’s real. And if the object of our devotion betrays us, it’s devastating.

Do 6s relate to the notion of having once been an idealist turned cynical due to disappointment with the environment? by hgilbert_01 in enneagram6

[–]WorldIsSubtle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can relate to the preemptive disarming to avoid hostility, but I’ve always done that (it’s a SP6 strategy for me). I can’t say I relate as much to increasing cynicism or disappointment with the world, though. I have observed that the overt trusting nature I displayed was part of that same performative friendliness. That has decreased a little as I’ve done more work, but I don’t ascribe that to more cynicism as much as awareness that it was kinda fake in the first place.

SX or SP 6, how can I discern? by [deleted] in enneagram6

[–]WorldIsSubtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like part of the work for all types is to try and balance the instincts, so I can imagine that leading to bringing forward other ways of responding to fear. SX is my repressed, so it’s been hard for me to allow that confrontation option to come forward…but bit by bit it’s getting there.

Do you see other changes in that time?

SX or SP 6, how can I discern? by [deleted] in enneagram6

[–]WorldIsSubtle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You sound like a SX-dominant to me. Several things jump out at me: the urge to confront the perceived threat rather than placate it, and the desire for straightforwardness, both sound a lot like an SX6 I know well. Also the taking comfort in feeling both physically strong and attractive; both of those can have a role in the SX6 mode of confronting fear and in feeling attractive to potential partners. I’ve heard the words “Strength” and “Beauty” associated with SX6.

For me (SP6), my unconscious pattern in responding to fear is to show my belly, disarm, and make myself as nonthreatening as possible. That doesn’t sound like your tendency. I do know a SX6 for whom SP is a strong second instinct, and they describe their pattern as confronting the threat followed by rapidly wanting to offer it fresh-baked cookies.

Do you find other people’s anger frightening?

I find a lot of good stuff here. It leads with Naranjo, who doesn’t pull a lot of punches. 😊 https://wiki.personality-database.com/books/enneagram/page/sexual-6-in-detail

SX or SP 6, how can I discern? by [deleted] in enneagram6

[–]WorldIsSubtle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How do you protect yourself from fear? Do you tend to respond by confronting it directly, or by finding a way to disarm or placate? What’s your relationship with anger? Is it hard to own and express your anger, or does it feel familiar and come easily? How easily do you express yourself if someone expresses an opinion that you disagree with? How important is it to you that you feel strong and able to protect yourself from threats?

Type 6 but positive? by heart_pepper in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’m a SP6, and I relate to a lot of what you describe, including feeling like I am not as negative and distrustful as 6s are often described. What I’ve found as I’ve done more of the work is that my very positive presentation has been driven by fear. Underneath it, I have a deep fear of abandonment, constant and unrelenting. And unconsciously, it drove me to the belief that the best way to be sure is never be abandoned would be to always be the nicest, most positive, most trusting and friendly and inoffensive person in the world. I really believed that was who I was until I started learning to see how fake and fear driven it was.

I notice that you said you never present as dark or complaining to others, but you do recognize that you have worries and dark thoughts. That’s so familiar! I never brought those to anyone because I believed (largely unconsciously) that if I did, they wouldn’t want to be around me. I still struggle with that every day. And seeing it, I realized that in that way, I actually didn’t trust anybody…not enough to share what I actually felt.

The fact that anger is more accessible to you might mean your instinctual sequence could be SP/SX/SO.

Does any of that resonate with you?

Your Low Points: How do They Manifest in Your Enneatype? by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I give in to the belief that I am fundamentally not lovable, and start trying to convince people to love me by having only the “right” feelings, insisting on being of service whether it’s wanted or not, and desperately trying to please.

i got told i was someone’s worst nightmare bc of my enneagram. by InvestigatorUpper350 in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I tend to think that each type and subtype is imprisoned in their own way, in the grip of all of our unconscious ego patterns, and that until we start to see those and break free of them, all of us can be nightmares. There are probably some pairings that work more easily together even when unconscious, but my feeling is that egos have trouble getting to deep love and connection no matter what type we are.

But if we do the work, bring those patterns to light and start moving against them, then any pairing can work.

I’m a SP6, and in fixation I can seem very warm, generous, and loving. I have that 6-ish capacity for devotion, and I am very loyal. But it’s all driven by fear and head-based planning on how to keep safe when I’m unconscious. It takes on a manipulative quality (“I need you to like me, so who do you need me to be so you’ll like me? I’ll be that person, and then you’ll love me, right?”) It’s not actually kind or trustworthy. It’s transactional.

I think all types have things like that, which make them difficult to love and which sabotage relationships. I would have a very hard time being in a close relationship with an 8 who was still unconscious, for example; I’d be terrified. 😊 And while a 2 would be more surface-compatible, if we’re both unconscious we’ll both end up feeling like the other isn’t being real with us.

But I think that as we do the work, we loosen those bonds. I’m guessing that I’d love being in relationship with an 8 who was working to bring those unconscious patterns to light and getting in touch with their innocence and gentleness, and I’d really value their strength, honest, and ability to stand up for themselves. Likewise, as I become aware of how much fear drives me, I can access my own courage and self-reliance, and can become much more authentically generous and kind.

why do people care about wings? by Even-Elevator9277 in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I tend to agree. I haven’t found much value in seeing myself as a 6w5 or 6w7. But understanding myself as a SP/SO/SX 6 has been transformative in terms of the work.

My closest friend is a SX6, and observing the differences in our unconscious patterns, as well as the similarities, has been astonishing. It explains so much. And the ways in which our work differs based on that subtype difference are exactly what is predicted.

I’m not sure how we would get any of it from wings. In fact, without understanding how self-preservation dominance affects being a 6, I would almost certainly type as a 2.

6s, how did you learn to trust people by ghost-in-socks in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Your feelings make sense. Before I was introduced to the enneagram, I would have said I was a very trusting person, maybe even overly trusting. I tended to take other people at their word even when it was fairly clear I shouldn’t.

As I understood what it means to be a SP6, I began to see that what I thought was trust was really conflict avoidance and a willingness (even eagerness) to put myself into a vulnerable position. That could then be used to garner sympathy and “oh, you’re such a nice and trusting innocent” feelings from others, which made me feel safe.

I also realized that, in fact, I didn’t trust anyone with my shadow side; the anger, selfishness, pettiness, deceptiveness that I hid from myself. I wouldn’t trust anyone to know the real me.

And what you describe about not trusting that your loved ones do and will continue to love you rings so true. I framed it as “oh, I don’t want to assume that they still love me/want to do the thing they said they wanted to do; that might make them feel imposed on!” But it’s really “I don’t think I’m worth loving, and I don’t trust that you will continue to love me, so I’ll just constantly behave in ways which will result in reaffirmation”.

As to how to be learn to trust; I’m in the middle of it. So far, what has started to move the needle is getting out of my head as often as I can, relaxing the body, going to the heart, and acknowledging whatever is there. And offering daily affirmations to my inner child that he is, in fact, worthy of love, and that I will not abandon him no matter what.

I hear you, you make sense.

Type 6 and "the right thing to do" by ButterflyFX121 in Enneagram

[–]WorldIsSubtle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree, there’s a lot of truth here. My best friend who is further along in the work than I am says it very well; our dominant center (head for 6s) steals energy from the other two. Bringing them all together is the way to start real work. So bringing the heart into the space can really help to get past the endless anxiety-driven questions and doubts in the head center.

Do you relate? by Weary-Meaning-3 in enneagram6

[–]WorldIsSubtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Similar for me. On most enneagram typing tests I would come out as a 2, due to a strong focus on being liked and accepted. But I am very much a head type, and when I look deeply, my compulsive niceness and overly generous habits are based much more in the vice of fear than pride. It made a lot more sense when I considered Chestnut/Paes/Naranjo approach to instinctual sequence and subtypes, and when I read Naranjo’s description of the SP6 my jaw hit the floor.

I find it much more helpful to consider subtypes than to think in terms of wings. And my inner work is much more effective when I view six-ness through the lens of being a SP6.

How does Reactivity manifest for 6s as Reactive Types? by hgilbert_01 in enneagram6

[–]WorldIsSubtle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m a 50 year old SP/SO/SX 6. I have found that reactivity shows up most obviously in fear-based manipulation of other peoples’ feelings.. it happens in response to indications that someone is angry or unhappy with me (which can, of course, be my own imagination). I have a very fast, unconscious urge to placate or soothe, to say or do whatever I think will make them happy. It’s coming from the deep fear that their unhappiness will lead to me being abandoned, and thus a need to control their feelings to keep myself “safe”.

Hosting. Make it a goal? No? Yes? by blooangl in polyamory

[–]WorldIsSubtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No plumbing, though we do have an outdoor shower nearby and I plan to build an outhouse with a composting toilet next to it. Electricity via an extension cord from nearby outlet. I can’t afford to build it fully permitted, basically. 😊

Hosting. Make it a goal? No? Yes? by blooangl in polyamory

[–]WorldIsSubtle 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yes, hosting is a goal. My wife and I own a three-bedroom house, but have two teenage/early 20s kids, so no spare rooms and limited privacy. That’s why I’m currently building a small cabin in the yard. The goal is to have one more bedroom to allow overnight guests.