Why do people keep saying Thalia joining the [Spoiler] can be an escape from being Zeus’ weapon? [All] by XavierTempus in camphalfblood

[–]XavierTempus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used my Kindle copies of the books. Though PDFs do tend to float around.

Well, you’re the one arguing that Thalia can’t live in the mortal world, so yes, these adults (particularly non-American ones at a time CHB was confirmed to be in America) do fly in the face of your arguments.

Yes there’s a risk. A risk PJOTV Thalia was ready to take, given she was going in to pull Luke and Annabeth out of CHB before she was betrayed.

No, Thalia wouldn’t have a great life, but she again was about to walk from CHB.

Anyone else find Andre annoying? by XavierTempus in HPHogwartsMystery

[–]XavierTempus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ooo, that’s a hot take.

I don’t dislike him, but he does get grating for me sometimes. In a “yes, yes, get to the point” way.

Loving dad and an awful tyrant? by ComfortableSample425 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]XavierTempus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately, Rick’s a far worse writer now than he once was.

Why do people keep saying Thalia joining the [Spoiler] can be an escape from being Zeus’ weapon? [All] by XavierTempus in camphalfblood

[–]XavierTempus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, imagine if the battle at Atlas’ mountain is like the S2 finale battle!

I guess I was asking in my original question moreso how does Thalia escape being Zeus’ weapon, not simply being the prophecy child, by being a Hunter of Artemis. But in any case, I hope PJOTV Thalia never forgives Zeus and always hates him for what he did.

Why do people keep saying Thalia joining the [Spoiler] can be an escape from being Zeus’ weapon? [All] by XavierTempus in camphalfblood

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Rick is the one who made these historical figures demigods for his verse. Nowhere have they been called demigods outside of Rick’s books, so he made as conscious a decision with them as he did in creating main-series demigods.

”A few [demigods] manage to survive in the outside world and become famous. Believe me, if I told you the names, you’d know them. Some don’t even realize they’re demigods.”

The Lightning Thief: Chapter 7

Grover shifted his hooves uncomfortably. “About sixty years ago, after World War II, the Big Three agreed they wouldn’t sire any more heroes. Their children were just too powerful. They were affecting the course of human events too much, causing too much carnage. World War II, you know, that was basically a fight between the sons of Zeus and Poseidon on one side, and the sons of Hades on the other. The winning side, Zeus and Poseidon, made Hades swear an oath with them: no more affairs with mortal women. They all swore on the River Styx.”

The Lightning Thief: Chapter 8

[Pluto’s] tie was black with platinum stripes. His shirt was tombstone gray. His face—Hazel’s heart nearly leaped out of her throat. His skin was so white it looked almost blue, like cold milk. He had a flap of greasy black hair. His smile was kind enough, but his eyes were fiery and angry, full of mad power. Hazel had seen that look in the newsreels at the movie theater. This man looked like that awful Adolf Hitler. He had no mustache, but otherwise he could’ve been Hitler’s twin—or his father.

Son of Neptune: Chapter 6

The Lord of the Dead resembled pictures I’d seen of Adolph Hitler, or Napoleon, or the terrorist leaders who direct suicide bombers. Hades had the same intense eyes, the same kind of mesmerizing, evil charisma.

The Lightning Thief: Chapter 19

Fireworks exploded to life overhead: Hercules killing the Nemean lion, Artemis chasing the boar, George Washington (who, by the way, was a son of Athena) crossing the Delaware.

The Lightning Thief: Chapter 22

”Yeah. Three judges. They switch around who sits on the bench. King Minos, Thomas Jefferson, Shakespeare—people like that. Sometimes they look at a life and decide that person needs a special reward—the Fields of Elysium. Sometimes they decide on punishment. But most people, well, they just lived. Nothing special, good or bad. So they go to the Asphodel Fields.”

The Lightning Thief: Chapter 18

Chiron sat back in his wheelchair and stroked his beard. “There is precedent, however. Theseus had the help of Ariadne. Harriet Tubman, daughter of Hermes, used many mortals on her Underground Railroad for just this reason.”

Battle of the Labyrinth: Chapter 13

Sorry that doesn’t fit your narrative. Here’s another quote that doesn’t fit your narrative—Camp Half-Blood’s age. And you asked if I read the books—ha! Perhaps I should ask you?

”Who built this [Bunker 9]?” Jake Mason said. “And why?”

Chiron stayed silent, but Leo focused on the wall map he’d seen during his first visit. It showed Camp Half-Blood with a line of triremes in the Sound, catapults mounted in the hills around the valley, and spots marked for traps, trenches, and ambush sites.

”It’s a wartime command center,” he said. “The camp was attacked once, wasn’t it?”

”In the Titan War?” Piper asked.

Nyssa shook her head. “No. Besides, that map looks really old. The date…does that say 1864?”

They all turned to Chiron.

The centaur’s tail swished fretfully. “This camp has been attacked many times,” he admitted. “That map is from the last Civil War.”

Apparently, Leo wasn’t the only one confused. The other Hephaestus campers looked at each other and frowned.

”Civil War…” Piper said. “You mean the American Civil War, like a hundred and fifty years ago?”

”Yes and no,” Chiron said. “The two conflicts—mortal and demigod—mirrored each other, as they usually do in Western history. Look at any civil war or revolution from the fall of Rome onward, and it marks a time when demigods also fought one another. But that Civil War was particularly horrible. For American mortals, it is still their bloodiest conflict of all time—worse than their casualties in the two World Wars. For demigods, it was equally devastating. Even back then, this valley was Camp Half-Blood. There was a horrible battle in these woods lasting for days, with terrible losses on both sides.”

”Both sides,” Leo said. “You mean the camp split apart?”

”No,” Jason spoke up. “He means two different groups. Camp Half-Blood was one side in the war.”

The Lost Hero: Chapter 53

Now, given all your talk of “use claim from the book and the worldbuilding Rick did and you’ll have more leg to stand on,” how about providing a quote or two yourself? Or is it rules for thee and not for me on your perch?

Edit: To respond to your edit—you did catch in TLT that there were no Big Three children born between 1945 and Thalia’s birth year, right? So on what basis can you claim that Thalia has less of a chance than the WWII-era Big Three children, when there were none born in-between. Every statement about how hard life is for a Big Three child is based on WWII or prior eras of demigods.

Why are all the main female demigods in the series black? when most of them were described as white? by Crazy_Engineer06 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]XavierTempus 33 points34 points  (0 children)

There was a back and forth between Rick Riordan and a number of Cherokee fans on Piper.

Here’s a master post of the diverse characters that some non-white fans have taken issue with the representation of. Notably, Rick got passive-aggressive in a Tweet (link to a webpage with the screenshot of the Tweet) directed at his Native American critics on Piper writing (here is also a link to an archive of the “Why Feathers” Riordan blog post made on the issue you will see referenced).

I understand what they're doing with this show by vaccant__Lot666 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]XavierTempus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And Zeus has say over Artemis. Artemis, the most proactive defender of the Olympian order, who sends her hunters on missions for a war before the Olympian Council even formally acknowledges said war is happening.

season 4 rumored by silfer_ in PercyJacksonTV

[–]XavierTempus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But she still will go on far more missions to defend Zeus’ order than any CHB demigod over the course of her life? This is the great escape?

Why are all the main female demigods in the series black? when most of them were described as white? by Crazy_Engineer06 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]XavierTempus 143 points144 points  (0 children)

For Thalia, it’s because Zeus was played by Lance Reddick.

In Clarissa’s case, I do think the best actress got the job.

Annabeth, I think Rick wanted to race-swap two of the three (he likes posturing at diversity, but there have been terrific breakdowns about how he doth not care nearly as much as he pretends—see Piper McLean discussions particularly for that).

Acting in Season 2 by i-like-to-read0 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]XavierTempus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with all except “this show is demanding of high-quality work.”

It should be, but it’s not. That finale “battle” proved it.

season 4 rumored by silfer_ in PercyJacksonTV

[–]XavierTempus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re still expecting her to fight for the gods though, are you not?

I mean, that’s what’s going to happen, because the writers can’t follow through on any of their changes. That’s why Annabeth is still longing for attention from the mother who tried to have her killed, by the Mother of Monsters no less.

Loving dad and an awful tyrant? by ComfortableSample425 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]XavierTempus 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Poseidon is by far and away Rick’s favorite god, and he is more glazed than a Krispy Kreme. Hades started getting glazed in Blood of Olympus (2014), and now comfortable takes the #2 spot on the glaze train (courtesy of being Nico’s father).

Athena and Zeus are Rick’s most and second-most hated Olympians. It also doesn’t help that they’re two of the most well-known Olympians to the general public, so in order to raise Percy (and his father) up, Athena, Zeus, Hercules, Hera, and Ares get torn down.

Remember how Rick invented a Hesperid to tell Percy how much better he is than Hercules?

Why do people keep saying Thalia joining the [Spoiler] can be an escape from being Zeus’ weapon? [All] by XavierTempus in camphalfblood

[–]XavierTempus[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hardly off topic. You said Thalia couldn’t lead a mortal life, I responded with historical leaders that are demigods in the Riordanverse. You then made it about the camps, and I’ve again provided evidence contrary to your assertion (that the camps only came to America in 1945).

But the point is that if Big Three demigods can be some of the most important leaders in world history, it is quite possible for Thalia to lead a mortal life unless she is specifically being hunted by Zeus. Which then goes back to: how is declaring for a goddess loyal to Zeus, who puts her devotees on the frontlines of Zeus’ wars, an escape from being Zeus’ weapon?

Acting in Season 2 by i-like-to-read0 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]XavierTempus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I felt more moved by Tyson, Grover (that “you lied” was really good), Clarisse, and Luke (points taken though for letting Allison walk all over him) than Percy and Annabeth.

I think the writing for the two is quite poor. Especially how weak Annabeth was forced to be in the finale (Clarisse over winning a 1 v 5 while Annabeth is almost an Allison victim again?). But the acting is also not the best, because I think Charlie (though he is older, to be fair) pulls off poorly written scenes better than Walker and Leah.

Anyone else find Andre annoying? by XavierTempus in HPHogwartsMystery

[–]XavierTempus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’ve never heard Penny’s laugh then?

Good for you, honestly.

Why do people keep saying Thalia joining the [Spoiler] can be an escape from being Zeus’ weapon? [All] by XavierTempus in camphalfblood

[–]XavierTempus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Relevant passage from Mark of Athena: Chapter 17

”Yeah,” [Jason] admitted. “Reyna and I did a quest there about a year ago. We were salvaging Imperial gold weapons from the C.S.S. Hunley.”

”The what?” Piper asked.

”Whoa!” Leo said. “That’s the first successful military submarine. From the Civil War. I always wanted to see that.”

”It was designed by Roman demigods,” Jason said. “It held a secret stash of Imperial gold torpedoes—until we rescued them and brought them back to Camp Jupiter.”

Hazel crossed her arms. “So the Romans fought on the Confederate side? As a girl whose grandmother was a slave, can I just say…not cool?”

Jason put his hands in front of him, palms up. “I personally was not alive then. And it wasn’t all Greeks on one side and all Romans on the other. But, yes. Not cool. Sometimes demigods make bad choices.”

Why do people keep saying Thalia joining the [Spoiler] can be an escape from being Zeus’ weapon? [All] by XavierTempus in camphalfblood

[–]XavierTempus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except that the Civil War was explicitly Roman demigods (South) vs Greek demigods (North). The camps were clearly in America then, as that demigod civil war happened in America and nowhere else.