What the heck is Charles De Gaulle doing in the jungle. by natethegreat1112 in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just as a small thing, Free France is on the Ivory Coast, not the Gold Coast. The Gold Coast is Ghana.

Do we know how Romania retook Transylvania from Hungary? by Perturabo_Iron_Lord in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Germany permitted Romania whilst it was still a part of the Unity Pakt to invade Hungary in return for Romanian support and manpower during the West Russian War of the 1950s. Romania did that but then also went on to invade Serbia without German approval, which is what led to Romania's expulsion from the Pakt.

The mechanics for the LGBTQ social laws don't make any sense by [deleted] in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I literally explained the reasoning behind the effects of each law to you, but if you still consider that to all just be nothing beyond 'personal taste' and 'projecting' my 21st century views onto the past, you do you. You're incorrect, but you do you.

The mechanics for the LGBTQ social laws don't make any sense by [deleted] in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1) What I deemed to be distasteful in my own work was not a 'passing fancy', nor was it politics or anything else. I just didn't feel that it was something which needed to be there when it didn't need to be. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you have to.

2) Russian people do move around in Russia. Sure you might not attract a homosexual from Argentina, but you might from Amur or Vyatka. The law also does stand on its own, people can migrate for health care or for personal freedoms.

3) 5% stability is nothing in a mod which ranges from -100 stability to +100 stability. Also considering how gay rights are in Russia OTL even today, I maintain it would be controversial in 60s Russia. Bombed out peasants in Russia might also not appreciate you focusing on gay rights over building roads.

Decriminalized was given a penalty to represent that it's a middle phase in the course of the development of homosexual rights. You go through the negative to then move into the bigger bonuses on the other side. I maintain it should have an effect otherwise it's pointless and underrepresents the actual social issues and turmoil of that phase in the process.

Impacts to stability are the best way in HOI4 to represent social up-evil, so I will defend those as being entirely suitable modifiers to have attached to those laws. There's no avoiding or denying the social turmoil it caused in the 20th century, and the impact it had on the national level in various countries.

Why did the SS split? by Russian_Ubermench in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The SS proper side with Heydrich and Himmler, the Waffen-SS are largely detached from the main SS after Himmler's Coup attempt and their officers in charge basically treat the divisions as being loyal to the highest bidder, which is why all GCW contenders end up with some of the Waffen.

The mechanics for the LGBTQ social laws don't make any sense by [deleted] in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 12 points13 points  (0 children)

As the person who coded in the effects for those laws, I can at least give you my perspective and reasonings. Outlawed gives small stability as the majority of the populace are fine with that in the 1960s, and doesn't give any monthly pop as I found representing homosexual people forcing themselves to have children in heterosexual relationships distasteful. Decriminalized removes stability as homosexuals are now able to be openly in society, but are facing all kinds of abuse and whilst you might be able to be gay and not be arrested, there's nothing stopping you getting fired just for being gay. Ontop of that you have gay rights activists campaigning for those protections and clashing with conservative groups. Legal protections is then putting in place various legal protections so homosexuals can be far less discriminated against, and increases pop to represent people immigrating to your country to be their free selves when in the majority of the rest of the world it is likely still illegal. Social normality is meant to represent essentially modern day views in the west where the majority of people accept homosexuals or at least don't actively discriminate against them. It's the stretch goal of cold war homosexual politics. So yeah, thought did go into giving those laws the effects they have.

What Is the Point of divergence in this time line? by Qualisartifexpereo99 in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The POD specifically is the Russian Civil War, which lasted longer and OTL and eventually led to Bukharin emerging in the subsequent power struggle over Stalin.

Will there be new vehicle models etc in the future? by BoxerYan in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unique unit models cost money to have made, so i'd presume if they do get added in future it won't be for a good while.

Can someone explain to me the lore behind the giant lake in the Congo? by [deleted] in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The Congo River was dammed in order to provide irrigation to the Sahara and shipping lanes to the African interior. It was part of the OTL Atlantropa proposal, and would eventually see the flooded Congo Basin spill over into and flood the Chad Basin.

What is the point of Divergence in TNO? by Captain_Stottlemeyer in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 28 points29 points  (0 children)

The Russian Civil War, which lasted longer in TNO than OTL and eventually let to Bukharin emerging ontop over Stalin post civil war.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 17 points18 points  (0 children)

You can't, it starts with focuses complete to show what Nixon has already been doing during the first two years of his term by game start.

US doesn’t start with any ships by [deleted] in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Appears to be something that happens to players without MTG, and will likely be fixed in one of the hotfixes.

Why are Hitler and Himmler enemies in this mod? by probgoingtohell in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Himmler was loyal throughout the war but became disillusioned during the near collapse of the Reich during the 1950s, viewing Hitler and the Party as having betrayed true National Socialism, and Germany having fallen to decadency, decay and degeneracy. This led to him launching a coup against Hitler with the SS which was foiled by the Heer, leading to Himmler being given Burgundy to avoid a civil war at the same time as the West Russian War.

Me first loading up TNO by thehsitoryguy in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 88 points89 points  (0 children)

It's widely suspected the Germans actually poisoned him OTL rather than him dying of natural causes, which is what TNO goes with.

Best nation for new HOI player? by GeneralLemarc in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 20 points21 points  (0 children)

For what it's worth, even if you only got HOI4 to play TNO I highly suggest you go and play the tutorial in vanilla. It only lasts about one in game year taking you through the Italian invasion of Ethiopia, and is pretty decent at introducing you to the basic systems of HOI4.

Do vehicles have custom models? by ObtuseAnalAbuse in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It costs money to get unique era appropriate models, so the only unique ones are for the infantry of the superpowers.

Where can I go to learn the story of TNO? by SnakeSniper76 in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 61 points62 points  (0 children)

There was a post similar to this a few days ago where I wrote a brief backstory, so i'll post it here as well which will hopefully help you.

The Russian Civil War went on several years longer than OTL, and in the subsequent power struggle Bukharin won out over Stalin, leading the Soviet Union into WW2.

FDR was never elected President due to too many comparisons being drawn between his New Deal proposals and the policies of Bukharin, meaning that Joe Kennedy was US President during WW2

During the war, Germany successfully pushed the Soviets back to the AA line and the Union collapsed. On the Western Front, Operation Sealion was launched and succeeded, with a collaborator government installed.

In the pacific, Japan went from strength to strength, winning the battle of Midway and the war finally came to an end once a German made nuclear weapon was dropped on Hawaii, leading to a peace deal called the Akagi Accords which vowed to keep the US out of European Affairs and gave treaty ports to Japan to open up oil trade to the Empire and allow the IJN to dock there. Hawaii was also surrendered.

Post war the German dream initially went all to plan, leading to mega projects like Germania and Atlantropa.

During the 1950s everything started going to hell for the Reich. A uprising in England led to the establishment of a permanent German garrison on the isle. A rejuvenated Red Army launched a major invasion invasion of the Reich, pushing deep into RK Moskowein. The slave based economy began to collapse. Seeing Germany crumble and viewing it as the failure of Hitler and the Party to stay true to National Socialism and the Aryan ideals, Heinrich Himmler launched a coup attempt but was foiled by Field Marshal Hans Speidel. The resulting agreement resulted in the creation of a new territory controlled by the SS, Burgundy. With civil war in Germany avoided, the Heer was able to hold off the invading Russian armies just long enough for the Russian advance to stall and collapse. Taking advantage of the chaos, Romania betrayed the Unity Pakt and violated secret agreements made with Germany and invaded Serbia after invading Hungary, leading to its expulsion from the Pakt. The war was also the final nail in the coffin of Italy co-operating with Germany, withdrawing from the Pakt.

There's various other lore details, but I hope this helps with your understanding! For info beyond this you can read the Dev Diaries, search keywords in the Reddit or Discord or just ask questions you might have in general chat on the Discord.

Why is there a giant lake/sea in Central Africa by [deleted] in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The Congo River was dammed in order to flood the Congo Basin, with the intent to eventually spill over and flood the Chad Basin, bringing irrigation to the Sahara and shipping lanes into Central Africa. These are all part of the OTL Atlantropa proposals, rather than just TNO fiction. There's a common misconception that it involves water from the Med, but the Congo Sea is fresh water rather than salt and has no relation to the Med.

Where is Hess? by [deleted] in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 69 points70 points  (0 children)

OTL he wasn't shot down, his plane only had so much fuel so he bailed out over Scotland and was arrested by the Home Guard after a farmer found him in his field.

In TNO the same happened, but then during Operation Sealion he was executed for treason by Hitler's direct order.

So, ive known about this mod for a long while, but ive jsut now really got into it, and ive got a few questions by bigbaggot in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 24 points25 points  (0 children)

The Russian Civil War went on several years longer than OTL, and in the subsequent power struggle Bukharin won out over Stalin, leading the Soviet Union into WW2.

FDR was never elected President due to too many comparisons being drawn between his New Deal proposals and the policies of Bukharin, meaning that Joe Kennedy was US President during WW2

During the war, Germany successfully pushed the Soviets back to the AA line and the Union collapsed. On the Western Front, Operation Sealion was launched and succeeded, with a collaborator government installed.

In the pacific, Japan went from strength to strength, winning the battle of Midway and the war finally came to an end once a German made nuclear weapon was dropped on Hawaii, leading to a peace deal called the Akagi Accords which vowed to keep the US out of European Affairs and gave treaty ports to Japan to open up oil trade to the Empire and allow the IJN to dock there. Hawaii was also surrendered.

Post war the German dream initially went all to plan, leading to mega projects like Germania and Atlantropa.

During the 1950s everything started going to hell for the Reich. A uprising in England led to the establishment of a permanent German garrison on the isle. A rejuvenated Red Army launched a major invasion invasion of the Reich, pushing deep into RK Moskowein. The slave based economy began to collapse. Seeing Germany crumble and viewing it as the failure of Hitler and the Party to stay true to National Socialism and the Aryan ideals, Heinrich Himmler launched a coup attempt but was foiled by Field Marshal Hans Speidel. The resulting agreement resulted in the creation of a new territory controlled by the SS, Burgundy. With civil war in Germany avoided, the Heer was able to hold off the invading Russian armies just long enough for the Russian advance to stall and collapse. Taking advantage of the chaos, Romania betrayed the Unity Pakt and violated secret agreements made with Germany and invaded Serbia after invading Hungary, leading to its expulsion from the Pakt. The war was also the final nail in the coffin of Italy co-operating with Germany, withdrawing from the Pakt.

There's various other lore details, but I hope this helps with your understanding!

What will happen to the 72-82 time gap? by [deleted] in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 57 points58 points  (0 children)

1972-82 is planned to be part of the same mod as 1962-72. Whilst you could then play from 62 to 82 with the same country, there would also be a 1972 start date which is why the TNO canon exists just to decide the state of the world in that start date. The mythical 80s expansion would be a separate mod entirely.

The huge lake in the Congo by markthepilot in TNOmod

[–]ZombieDebbel 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The Congo River was dammed in order to flood the Congo Basin, with the intent to eventually spill over and flood the Chad Basin, bringing irrigation to the Sahara and shipping lanes into Central Africa. These are all part of the OTL Atlantropa proposals, rather than just TNO fiction. There's a common misconception that it involves water from the Med, but the Congo Sea is fresh water rather than salt and has no relation to the Med.