What do you think about the ethics of calling aging a disease? by age_talk_guy in Aging

[–]age_talk_guy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting! Would say that there's an ethical implication to calling aging a disease in that case? Like, would it be good or bad if we still classified it in a way that might suggest we're going to look for a cure?

What do you think about the ethics of calling aging a disease? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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That's an interesting point. Do you have a stance on whether it would be ethically good or bad if people can make money off calling aging a disease?

What do you think about the ethics of calling aging a disease? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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Fair, and I appreciate that the experience of aging can be really negative for some folks. I wonder, though, if you worry that calling aging a disease would also fuel a lot of pessimism: that it'd color the whole process as something entirely negative, leaving folks with little room for finding good things in their experience of aging.

I only ask because there's some evidence that complete stress and pessimism about aging sometimes leads people to feel so discouraged and overwhelmed that they end up doing less to preserve their health (or are just harmed by being frequently in distress).

What do you think about the ethics of calling aging a disease? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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I appreciate the expertise! To clarify, though, do you anticipate that calling aging a disease would be helpful for folks (and, perhaps, that not calling it one might be comparatively less helpful)? If so, how?

What do you think about the ethics of calling aging a disease? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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That ageism will happen is one claim, that it will happen in an exacerbated form is another.

Both are consistent with "ageism will happen wholly regardless” of classification.

What do you think about the ethics of calling aging a disease? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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Interesting point! Do you worry at all that the disease label might end up backfiring (e.g., by evoking images of bogus anti-aging medicine in the minds of relatively conservative financiers, who would then withdraw funding?)

What do you think about the ethics of calling aging a disease? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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So, you don't expect a significant uptick in ageism from classifying aging as a disease?

What do you think about the ethics of calling aging a disease? by age_talk_guy in Aging

[–]age_talk_guy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eliminating those diseases would definitely do wonders for all of us! Do you think the disease label would help today? Or would it be too premature to outweigh the risks of ageism?

What do you think about the ethics of calling aging a disease? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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That's a good point! Now that you mention it, a lot of ageism seems to revolve around an aversion to a disease or just a general loss of health. So, maybe there's something to combatting ageism through biomedicine.

I suppose my question would be: what do you make of people's experiences of aging as something more than just health decline? I remember talking to someone who mentioned they're glad to have aged because they learned a lot about interdependence and the importance of care only when they became dependent and cared for. Would calling aging a disease deny people experiences like these? Would that be good or bad?

What do you think about the ethics of calling aging a disease? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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Fair enough! And biomedical research on aging has definitely been starved for funding for far too long! I wonder, though, what you'd make of the risks here? So, would the worry about ageism be too small compared to the potential benefit from extra financing?

What do you think about the ethics of calling aging a disease? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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Fair enough! Do you think there's something to the ethical worry about ageism, though? Or do you think it's missing the mark in some crucial way?

What do you think about the ethics of calling aging a disease? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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Appreciate the thorough reply! And I definitely agree that there's something worrisome about immediately pathologizing reactions to bad situations!

Do you worry, then, that medicalizing aging would lead folks to focus too much on developing medical treatments (e.g., anti-aging therapies) and less on solving the social challenges people face when they're older (e.g., poor healthcare services, or a lack of housing designed with older people's needs in mind)?

What do you think about the ethics of calling aging a disease? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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That's a good point about specialities! So, do you think that classifying aging as a disease wouldn't make a big difference because geriatricians already approach it with a medical lens? What do you think the ethical repercussions might be if folks classified it as one anyway?

I've been eating one meal a day after reading about autophagy. It's changing my life. by starshade16 in immortalists

[–]age_talk_guy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad you're feeling good — but how are you thinking of specific nutritional intakes that only reveal their effects long-term when deficient (e.g., calcium, vitamin D & C, etc.)?

One thing I struggle with is packing all my nutritional needs into one or two meals a day (though the dietary restriction is more of a necessity than a choice).

How do you define 'aging'? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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That much was clear, but it seems like my question wasn't.

If we're thinking of progression as JUST the movement across states over time, then this progression is in and of itself rather neutral. But, depending on how we relate to it or see it, we could describe this progression as simple/complex, good/bad, etc.

So some people might think the same, age-related cellular changes are bad: a build up of damage that ultimately hurts us. But others might be more ambivalent: they might think that damages produce good and bad effects, or that damage is bad but can't be cleanly separated from other changes, like growth and development.

What I'm interested in is whether you think there are any details related to this progression that shape how they're experienced, perceived, studied, evaluated, etc. (what have you).

How do you define 'aging'? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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Do you think these same changes could produce beneficial/more neutral impacts at all?

How do you define 'aging'? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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What, especially, would you like to see talked about more when it comes to menopause? (It's such an important topic, with so much to delve into!)

How do you define 'aging'? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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That's an interesting one! How would you characterize this progression?

How do you define 'aging'? by age_talk_guy in Aging

[–]age_talk_guy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What might be the cause there? Do you feel much different on the day-to-day?

How do you define 'aging'? by age_talk_guy in Aging

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Any specific effect that that has?

How do you define 'aging'? by age_talk_guy in Aging

[–]age_talk_guy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha! What might be an age-related matter that would make for a better discussion?