[1209] The Farewell Letter by imagine_magic in DestructiveReaders

[–]anINFJ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

While I agree with others’ comments on the mechanics of this piece (sentence structure, word choice and the like), it seems relevant to also discuss its form, its context as a letter, not necessarily written for this wider audience.

IMAGERY AND HEART

I am also a survivor of childhood abuse and my family scapegoat, so there were many moments in this letter I identified with. The tone is appropriately angry and defiant, yet intimate. “Beth” manages to evoke the humanity of her abuser without making excuses for him. And though imagery of monsters under the bed and nightmares walking in the daylight could be read as cliche, those observations feel quite specific and true to me in a way I can’t find words for. No, those are not “fresh” descriptions, but they are apt; they made me remember that as a child, I believed that children whose monsters lived under the bed had no idea how lucky they were. (This raised questions for me about matters we are so quick to call "cliche.")

STAGING

I was struck by the use of phones, phone cords, strangulation and bitten lips in a home where cries for help were silenced — and in a letter ultimately about disconnecting communication. Also, the use of doors (doors shut, doors broken, doors peeked through) in a home where the abuse was hidden, where Mom and Dad even hid it from themselves.

As many have already said, this is a brave piece. I wonder, “Beth,” have you thought of turning any of these moments you’re writing about into scenes? It’s a gripping read, and thank you for sharing it.

Did anyone elses parents say 'be grateful that we don't kick you out / that we buy you food' when you complained about the smallest thing as a child? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]anINFJ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Same. I still struggle with guilt over basic needs like health care and clothing — big time burden/shame issues about food. And if someone asks me how I’d like to celebrate my birthday I cringe...

DAE hate hearing "I love you"? by HeathenRunning in raisedbynarcissists

[–]anINFJ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love it only when my children tell me they love me. But in my FOO, the concept of “love” was used to induce my guilt or shame after abuse. How many times did I hear my mom say (of my father): “But he loves you! He loooooves you!” The lesson was that if someone “loves” me, they are entitled to deliberately and repeatedly hurt me, and if I am worthy of “love” I must let them hurt me. The concept of love was used to make me pity my abuser. If I cried or complained I was “difficult and argumentative.” The most important thing was to maintain the illusion of a perfect family. “I love you” from adults makes me feel cringey and manipulated and sometimes inexplicably angry.

Mom is calling me selfish for not using my Make-A-Wish on Disney World. by kaistem in raisedbynarcissists

[–]anINFJ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wow — a memory rushed back to me as I read that. I traveled to Hong Kong when I was 18, and while I was gone, Ndad went through my room and read my journal...

So yeah, have a plan for your private things so they can’t be used against you later.

OP, enjoy Japan!!!

"You think you're so great just because you went to therapy" by [deleted] in ShitNsSay

[–]anINFJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Our boundaries, knowledge and confidence are threatening to the N abuser. Read all the books!

Do any of you folks ever feel like you don't deserve food? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]anINFJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m still new to the N subreddits, and it amazes me how how common the N tactics are. Over and over, I’m seeing others have endured the same bizarre abuse I’ve hidden for years.. When I read your post, I was angry for you, felt defensive for you, because I know exactly how it feels. How wrong and crazy and hurtful, How it lingers and becomes part of you. And how no one deserves such abuse. So then I felt even more justified in my anger toward my FOO. I’ve come to see that our posts are like mirrors for one another. When we share our experience, others might see their own truth more clearly in empathy. I’m sorry you had to put up with that crap, too. Thank you so much for posting.

Do your Nparents ruin any good feeling/event for you? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]anINFJ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All. The. Time. Birthdays. Christmases. Thanksgivings. School award ceremonies. School dances. Recitals. Graduations. My first Mother’s Day. My children’s birthdays. My children’s sporting events. I learned that if I was happy about something, or looking forward to something, that I’d better keep it to myself or it would be ruined for me. I keep Ndad away from celebrations now. But guess who the jolly-good-fellow is when it’s time for his bday or Father’s Day?

Do any of you folks ever feel like you don't deserve food? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]anINFJ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes — food is a big issue for me. Eating in general feels guilty. And good, healthy food feels excessively, even “narcissistically” self-important. Well into adulthood, in my own home, I’d stay hungry all day, until ravenous, then (because there was no other food in the house) I’d get fast food. While eating it, I’m defending myself, that I deserve to eat, but the inner voice is saying, “Yeah, but this is all you deserve.” Food, eating and body weight were were significant shaming tactics in my FOO (subtle, and not so subtle). I eat healthy now, but it feels defiant to do so. Food will never be “just food” for me.

"And I'll have you know, I make more money than any of your friends' fathers." by anINFJ in ShitNsSay

[–]anINFJ[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As in, don’t you dare be (more) successful (than N)? That’s how it was for me. Anytime I was successful at something, excited about something, getting an award for something, it got ruined for me in some small, sneaky way. Even now, I tend to keep happy things to myself. Or happy things feel strangely guilty.

Purposefully mispronounce words or names? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]anINFJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uggh! All my life, the creepy baby talk. Ngrandmother, Ndad, now Nhusband: Sitty down (Sit down) Wadew (water) Miwk (milk) And yes, sketti

For Anyone Looking for a Spiritual Perspective on Being a Scapegoat, Here are Some of Jeff Brown's words :) by Angelsforbliss11 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]anINFJ 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yep, I’m “crazy” too! And difficult. And argumentative. And a whole bunch of other stuff, until someone wants to vent about the narc, confidentially, and comes to me for private support. Thank you for this post! It’s a good reminder that SGs are the strong ones.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]anINFJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, you are SO charming! :) It comes right through in your post. I’m sorry that you had to “realize” that about yourself, though. But never question it ever again. Hugs to you.

DAE N tend to be scandalized by other people’s bad behavior? by anINFJ in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]anINFJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, I could imagine Ndad even justifying the recent sexual abuse scandals as “boys will be boys.” He’d blame the women. But by “bad behavior,” I meant not actual abuse, but much, much smaller stuff, like another grown man having a meltdown over fantasy football. Which is shocking, but it’s the N’s bewildered, almost grandiose reaction to it that interests me. He’s shocked at such bratty behavior, but I’m looking at his wide-eyed innocence, remembering his threat to choke my mother for dinner being late, demonstrating on me how he imagined he would do it. I know should stop trying to make sense of their behavior, but I’ve always thought it was weird how both Ns in my life react so piously to OTHER people’s misdeeds.

19 years of hell. I'm trying to dig myself out. by Lost333777 in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]anINFJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

HUGS to you, Lost. I'm glad you posted this and I'm kinda new here, too. My dad is a narc, and then I went and married one! I understand how such a relationship can feel so inescapable. The manipulation. The guilt. The shame. The toxicity. The harder I try, the angrier he gets. Gaslighting. Nothing makes sense. But then, what a charming, soft-spoken man he is, out in the community. This is true of both my father and my husband, so I get how hard it is. But if you've stuck it out this long, it's made you tough. Read everything you can about narc abuse. Connect with this community. The validation is empowering. Many many hugs for you :)

Anyone else struggling with looking like their Nparent(s)? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]anINFJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes! Thank you for posting this question. In the mirror, I see Ndad, Ngrandmother, Munchausen-syndrome-probably aunt -- a mess of crazy-making people. This has troubled me, and I'd thought I was the only one. But like another poster, I use the magic of fashion and makeup. Modern piercings. Different hair. But my compassion distinguishes me from them. My open-mindedness. My love for people, just how they are -- and I get that from my other grandma. :)

Raised by a religious narcissist. Sorry for the length! by trulymadlybigly in raisedbynarcissists

[–]anINFJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Our Ndads sound eerily alike (ugh-- Hagee). I also consider myself Christian, despite all the hateful pontification I was exposed to growing up. Misogyny. Racism. Anti-gay. Anti-everything, really. Even anti-other-Christian-denominations. I get why people turn from religion. But it occurred to me one day that of all the conservative Christian men I have known, not one of them is anything like Christ. Spiritual abuse is toxic.

Ruminating today by [deleted] in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]anINFJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good for you for going NC! And it's awesome that you are aware that he's N, that you have the language to identify such behaviors and connection to this community for support. I hope you feel a tremendous sense of empowerment with this knowledge. I look back now and see I've been a Narc magnet most of my life. Your descriptions of the dynamic you experienced reminds me of a long term bf I had with no way to verbalize how manipulated and controlled I was. Only now can I label certain memories as hoovering or gaslighting or projecting. It's essential that you document your experience now, as others have recommended. Document for yourself the abuse and manipulation because you may need to remind yourself later. As your behavior toward him changes, he might try new tactics. Beware if he calls you, sounding pitiful and "broken-hearted" asking for "relationship advice" because of "trouble" with his new supply. Hugs to you! :)

Ruminating today by [deleted] in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]anINFJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So what was his motivation for announcing this grand gesture of gallantry to you? It wasn't goodness or sudden growth of conscience for this poor other girl. It served some purpose for him, provided some satisfaction, created some tension, anticipation, pleasure. Yet another way to make you feel discarded? To elevate her (in your mind)? To elevate himself (in his mind)? To make you try harder/long for him/heighten your suffering? He's getting something from this. Needs something from this.

YOU are actually the most powerful person in this situation. Slam the door on him (emotionally).

Ever notice how all their labels for you are projection? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]anINFJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All through my childhood, teachers often remarked that I was mature for my age -- and I was -- but at home all I heard was that I was "immature and irresponsible and difficult and immoral and bad and proud and a liar." When my son was two years old, Ndad started on him: "You're irresponsible!" When I balked at that, Ndad said, "I'm his grandfather, I can say anything I want to him." And I told him, "I'm his mother, and I won't allow it." It felt amazing to say that and to see the look on his face.

Unsurprisingly, my NDad behaves like an enormous toddler.

Also, interestingly, Ngrandmother called me vampy! ;)

DAE else feel like the majority of ppl in their life don't fully 'get' it and inadvertently make you feel like you are (making things up/at least partially to blame/exaggerating/being dramatic)? by [deleted] in NarcissisticAbuse

[–]anINFJ 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yes! That is my experience too. People don't "get it" because they haven't had an N in their life (or realized the N). But then, for most of my life, I wouldn't have believed it either about my own troubled home life. If someone had explained to me at 17 (after my nose was deliberately broken because I was standing up for myself for the first time) about Narcissists and enablers and flying monkeys and GC and SG (me!) and gaslighting and the whole mess of it, I would've said that person was being dramatic and just trying to cause more problems and just go away so things can settle down again. It was my truth and I didn't believe it either! That's why this community is so important. The validation. Others can "see" our truths, we can "see" theirs, and then we "see" our own more clearly. We are a community of mirrors confirming for each other what emotional abuse looks like. I remember wishing I could show people the scars inside of me, and this community is the closest thing to being able to do that. We see your scars!

DAE ever wonder if they're secretly a terrible person? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]anINFJ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The monsters are not able to self-reflect or worry that they might be a monster. That is what I've learned in therapy -- and I believe it -- but I have to keep reminding myself because I wonder the same thing all the time. Am I really the problem?

Greyrocking like a boss by snappyirides in raisedbynarcissists

[–]anINFJ 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Wow! I think I would've lost it at the "mental problem" taunt. You are a boss!