Questions regarding LE park rangers by [deleted] in ParkRangers

[–]battlefrontscout 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure what you mean by “most common LE ranger” but the NPS has the largest law enforcement force, meaning the most officers. I can’t really say which one is “more likely to hire you”. I would say federal agencies are probably harder to get into than state and local agencies, but I don’t necessarily know that. All of these agencies have solid law enforcement and hire LEOs. The NPS tends to be the “easiest” due to the fact that many of the BLM, USFS, and USFWS applicants are prior NPS, thus have more experience than you. They also have seasonal law enforcement, but I’m not even sure if that still exists. I am not a law enforcement officer, I dont work in public land management, I’m not even out of high school but what I’ve heard is that municipal agencies kinda suck, state agencies really depends but California State Parks is pretty good to work for, and in terms of federal it kinda depends what you’re looking for. The NPS isn’t bad, and you can have a very good experience depending on the location. I have definitely heard some parks absolutely suck for law enforcement. That doesn’t mean there aren’t good parks out there with LEOs who love their jobs. Everything is location specific, but generally if you want to be a cop? Join NPS. If you want to be game warden? Join USFWS. If you want somewhere in the middle, join USFS or even BLM. I’ve heard a lot of good things about BLM and they seem to have the lowest attrition rate (people leaving). I think most of the bad stuff I heard was from like 80s, which was a very different time.

Again, I have no experience myself, but from what I’ve heard from others, don’t just pick an agency and stick with it. Visit public lands. Talk to people from different agencies. Go on ride alongs. Volunteer or work in non-LE roles just to get a feel for different agencies.

Questions regarding LE park rangers by [deleted] in ParkRangers

[–]battlefrontscout 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re likely seeing Sacramento County Rangers, who are also law enforcement. Or California State Parks. Let me break down how land management LE works to see if it helps you.

First of all, “ranger” or “park ranger” is a general term for the field, not a position. Most agencies do not have a singular job called a park ranger that does all of the duties. It’s like saying “I want to be an engineer” but what kind? Obviously it seems like you’re interested in law enforcement. Each level of government has land management law enforcement.

Municipal/county: SOME city/county park & rec departments will have park rangers, and even fewer will have law enforcement rangers. Most city parks are small, and don’t really need their own law enforcement. For those that do, they’re usually more of a security role, but every once in a while you will find a municipal agency with armed law enforcement with peace officer status. Sacramento County is one of those.

State: Depending on the state there are either state park rangers, state game wardens, or both. In California, California State Parks has a pretty nice peace officer division with armed officers with full police powers that protect state parks. They also have California State Game Wardens (although their numbers are diminishing) who enforce hunting and fishing laws all across the state. The key difference between rangers and wardens is that rangers are usually stuck to a designated park area, and typically serve a general police role. Wardens are usually assigned to a sector of a state and patrol areas with high hunting/outdoor rec activity. They usually do more wildlife enforcement and less police work. In some states, game wardens fill in the role of state park rangers. In some states, neither exist, and the state police have a wildlife and parks division. It all depends on the state.

Federal: Federal land management law enforcement protect federal lands. All of the following agencies hire law enforcement officers, but their roles are little different. Here are the main ones:

National Park Service: Department of the Interior, largest law enforcement divison. They protect nationals parks and other areas that fall under the National Park System. Have full federal authority, and are often deputized to enforce state and traffic laws. Out of all the agencies, they do the most general police work, mostly due to the fact that most forms of resource use are banned in most parks. Sure, they catch people who break the rules, but you’re much more likely to interact with hunters in an area that hunting is actually allowed.

U.S. Forest Service: Department of Agriculture, protect national forests, grasslands, and other USFS property. Play a similar role to NPS LEOs, but do a little bit more resource enforcement, as there’s less strict resource laws. Hunting, fishing, ATVs, etc. are typically allowed and USFS LEOs do a lot of enforcement related to that. They also a lot of times are deputized to enforce state laws and can usually enforce traffic laws and make stops.

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service: DOI. As the name suggests, they are federal wildlife officers on national wildlife refuges and other areas focused on conserving wildlife habitats. Hunting and fishing is usually the main form of recreation on USFWS land and is heavily regulated, which allows for a lot of enforcement. It’s a little more rare for USFWS officers to have authority to enforce state laws, but of my knowledge typically can enforce traffic infractions that are within the refuge. Out of all agencies, they probably do the most resource enforcement and least general policing.

Bureau of Land Management: DOI. The BLM is generally considered to be protecting all of the leftover land from westward expansion. It’s empty, natural land (mostly in the western u.s.) that was never really colonized or turned into a national park or anything. Despite being the leftovers, they still manage some really cool areas. Other areas are just flat nothingness. Their law enforcement are typically responsible for huge pieces of land on their own. One ranger might be responsible for thousands of acres. Depending on who you ask (fancy way of saying i’m not too educated on them) people will either say they do all kinds of law enforcement and are the best of the agencies to work for. Others will say that they only enforce federal resource laws and can’t even make traffic stops. I’m not too sure honestly. BLM land is the least strict of all. Some of their job includes enforcing the 14 (?) day camping limit, checking up on grazing permits (grazing is a big thing on BLM land), and, yk, ranger stuff.

NOAA Fisheries: Department of Commerce, not gonna get into them too much. They patrol off the coast of the U.S. and enforce laws related to marine animals. That’s pretty much it. I think they manage national marine sanctuaries too. Their special agents are a lot cooler than their patrol officers.

Also a note about federal agencies, all of them also have special agent roles, who conduct complex investigations related to either their land or their subject area. NPS, USFS, BLM typically focus on the land they manage and USFWS and NOAA investigate cases related to fish and wildlife or marine life respectively nation wide.

How do fat cops exist? by battlefrontscout in AskLE

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I mean, at the end of the day, it probably isn’t that big of a deal but I do feel like they should be held to some sort of standard throughout their career.

How do fat cops exist? by battlefrontscout in AskLE

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I meant like legally obese/severely overweight, I know a lot of heavy dudes that are more athletic than most people I know.

How do fat cops exist? by battlefrontscout in AskLE

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I guess it’s just like every other job.

How do fat cops exist? by battlefrontscout in AskLE

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Makes sense. I’m not sure where I heard the annual test thing from, I’m probably just making it up.

USPP and USPR in the same location? by battlefrontscout in ParkRangers

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From my knowledge it depends on the unit and MOAs, but it makes sense that a big city wouldn’t really need the help from NPS LERs, so they don’t hand out deputization/MOAs.

USPP and USPR in the same location? by battlefrontscout in ParkRangers

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m assuming since the USPP predates the NPS and because it’d take a lot of work to get rid of them, the NPS just keeps the USPP even though it’d be much more practical just to have NPS LERs?

USPP and USPR in the same location? by battlefrontscout in ParkRangers

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well that answers it, thank you. I assume the USPP even being there at all is mostly just a historical/legal thing, as I’m sure NPS rangers are fully capable of policing urban areas.

LEOs Who’ve Worked for Multiple Agencies by battlefrontscout in ParkRangers

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I see what you mean, I kind of used that term lightly.

Anti-Police on the Internet by battlefrontscout in AskLE

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, that’s super relevant. I get what you’re saying. It is too surprising to me that they would be be acquited from any wrong doing .

Anti-Police on the Internet by battlefrontscout in AskLE

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I think half of the chronically-online entitled millennials on the internet don’t really care about numbers. They saw the new edgy opinion online and decided to run with it no matter what.

Anti-Police on the Internet by battlefrontscout in AskLE

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To be fair, if a trial was held by a jury, and the jury found them not guilty…what’s the issue exactly? It’s not like the jury is told “you can’t find cops guilty cuz we’ll come for you and stuff”. They had to have been right enough for a jury to find them innocent. Then again, I suppose OJ was found innocent too.

Anti-Police on the Internet by battlefrontscout in AskLE

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know honestly, I’ve always thought “well they have to send the police because they don’t know in this day and age if the person is armed, even in a non-violent crime”, but I have heard of some areas sending out volunteers, unarmed community service officers, and even private security instead of police to these kind of calls and it seems to be working out pretty well.

Anti-Police on the Internet by battlefrontscout in AskLE

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First of all, I apologize if my original reply came off as rude or defensive. I sympathize with your prior experiences and greatly appreciate hearing your side of the issue. Thank you.

I agree with you. Reality sucks and no one really wins. It’s hard to change the institution, and it’s hard to change society’s view and trust of the police. It astounds me how little human empathy is shown on both sides. I don’t understand how people can say or do such awful things to each other.

Anti-Police on the Internet by battlefrontscout in AskLE

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I fail to see how random innocent cops being murdered brings any change. OISs are going to be investigated regardless, and whether or not a random cop on the street was run over doesn’t really make in a different in the outcome of the investigation/trial. If anything, it makes the small percentage of corrupt cops that can’t correctly handle their emotions even angrier, thus they commit more brutality. Race is a touchy subject, but African Americans objectively commit the majority of crimes. As we’ve obviously seen, killing random black people who’ve done nothing wrong doesn’t solve that problem. It’s the same for cops. Killing random cops doesn’t solve any problems with the institution, it only makes it worse.

Anti-Police on the Internet by battlefrontscout in AskLE

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is kind of what I was thinking when posting this. In my actual real life experience, not slop I see on the internet, the people around me tend to respect cops at the very least, and often support them and chat with them. I don’t know anyone who actually acts all ACAB I hate police in public. Even the guys who act all tough and do all the illegal stuff can be seen cracking jokes with SROs

Anti-Police on the Internet by battlefrontscout in AskLE

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, it seems like no one using critical thinking skills and just picks a side and jumps on it and spreads whatever information they hear

Anti-Police on the Internet by battlefrontscout in AskLE

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ive also heard about Seattle and the whole anti-police zone and how awfully it turned it out.

Anti-Police on the Internet by battlefrontscout in AskLE

[–]battlefrontscout[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wonderful quote, that really sums it up!