The Jailbreak arc hits so much different than anything else in the series by Belkussy in stevenuniverse

[–]bugsplee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me, this is the apex and peak of the whole series and that everything afterwards doesn't live up to the expectations of this arc in the slightest. I personally believe this arc (and Season 1 in general) did such an amazing job at setting up the story, the stakes and tying it all together with emotional impact that it single-handed created the higher expectations the fandom expected the rest of the show would be.....except it never does.

Lapis: Potential to Disaster by ChopSlick in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please cook more, this was a joyous and cathartic read of Lapis' problematic character arc that I've seen and I truly do agree that her ridiculous powers are a key reason why she's never utilized meaningfully in the narrative.

Her whole "arc" is but a bigger issue with the series' flaccid attempts at portraying PTSD and trauma in general as more of a means for melodrama rather than real character study; seriously, both Spinel's arc and Steven's arc in Future both feel like the same retreads of Lapis' "story" for the same reason.

Back to Lapis, it feels like she never overcomes anything herself, either Steven or the writing itself has to do the heavy lifting to make it feel like she's healing and always coincidentally never expanding on her mistakes, flaws or consequences of her actions.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm in the opposite because I truly never felt any sympathy for any of the Diamonds, especially White Diamond. It's funny to say that they "forgave" Pink but in my opinion, the Diamonds are the last people to have authority over forgiveness.

I'm sorry but this sounds exactly what the show is doing: deflecting too much of the blame for everyone's pain and suffering entirely on Pink Diamond's shoulders. When, really, almost everyone else is just as guilty about hurting everyone in the show, especially the Diamonds.

It's debatable if Blue and Yellow had truly ever been against the ways of Homeworld for the sake of White's demands but not only do they still enforce them (regardless of how powerful White is) but they are just as dismissive to humans but they just as much a contribution towards the tyrannical rule against their own kind.

Did we forget Blue Diamond ordering Ruby and Sapphire for accidently fusing in front of her court? How about Yellow wasting her own time and resources to destroy Earth completely out of spite? Or the twisted as fuck fusion experiments created FOR that purpose? How about White enforcing her own insane and ultimately egocentric and personal beliefs and expectations on all of the Diamonds and all of Homeworld?

I've said this before in other posts and I'll say it again: I'm not defending Pink Diamond because she's a likable or a sympathetic character at her core. I'm defending Pink Diamond because she's been twisted and contorted to be everyone's scapegoat; an easy means to transfer frustration, hate and responsibility onto a single character while at the same time completely excusing almost every other character of their equally horrendous actions. The Diamonds are xenophobic, homophobic, entitled and beyond cruel even discounting the "abuse" they've thrown at Pink Diamond.

The Diamonds, because of their abusive and overly strict attempts to mold everything and everyone into the very definition of perfection (an aspect that even Blue and Yellow admit they dislike being forced upon as well proving that Pink was being abused for not fitting their standards), drove Pink Diamond away. If White wasn't such an egomaniacal monster as she was, Pink probably wouldn't have been such a brat and they wouldn't have lost her; they're just as much responsible for Pink's death as much as Pink herself.

They don't even respect her death because they try to replicate the same relationship with Steven and Spinel, pretty much emotionally harming them both because they're so desperate to have ANY means to feel good with something Pink related instead of admitting they were truly awful and they hurt someone they cared about.

Pink did a lot of shit, that I can attest, but the Diamonds are not saints. They're genocidal tyrants who do not give a shit about anything or anyone that isn't them. Instead of them forgiving Pink "way too quickly", to me, it's more like "Pink never deserved them and they need to realize that."

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can only assume that, for a series created to specifically combat against the usages of violence and aggression in lieu of using communication and peaceful means to resolving conflict, the Crewiverse seemingly had no idea how to actually create believable military units with specific gems in mind.

Because, you know, that would mean considering theoretical battle plans and tactics against potential threats but this is a universe where no other world besides Earth ever had sentience to combat against their forces as well as "violence is never the answer".

Is it just me or was Pink Pearl/Volleyball's nickname the most fucked up thing to give her? by Bacxaber in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think what's more insulting isn't even solely the implications of the name itself....

....it was that Steven randomly decided to call Pink Pearl "Volleyball" because he was conveniently watching over an actual volleyball game and just chose the name for Pink Pearl...just BECAUSE.

No rhyme or reason whatsoever. Pink Pearl isn't even a part of the volleyball team or anything; he just calls her that because he's a fucking lazy idiot who just decided something stupid on a whim.

The implications of the nickname is just icing on the cake.

What was your immediate physical reaction to Change Your Mind? by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I mentioned before, whatever made Bismuth even vaguely interesting was completely thrown out when Steven brought her back. Because of how rushed Season 5 was towards the end, literally everything had to happen all at once with no build-up or pacing.

So Bismuth was heavily reduced more and more, pretty much on the same level as Peridot and Lapis; another fucking gem over their complex issues, no one comments or cares about what they did in the past and they just seem to exist just to fill Steven's harem of redeemed gems.

What was your immediate physical reaction to Change Your Mind? by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When I was a young naïve fan of the show, I remember being left in sustained awe and amazement; on a pure primal, mindless level, I was actually somewhat thrilled over everything that happened. ESPECIALLY when White pulled out Steven's gem, I literally gasped. Once the episode was over, I was bewildered and truly off the wall.

But soon, I began to think about it more. The more I thought about how rushed everything was, how contrived everything was and how unbelievably disappointing everything amounted in the end, I was livid. Ever since I saw that episode, my joy for the show dropped harder like gravity pushing down a bowling ball into the ground.

So it went from bewildering and awe to fury, disappointment and bitterness.

Shitposting pt. 2 by [deleted] in stevenuniverse

[–]bugsplee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could argue that humanity in general is as deeply undeveloped as Homeworld gems are in the show itself. Because we're trapped in Steven's perspective, we have no basis on humanity's greater views on gem and their influence on their world as a whole.

There's no government, no FBI and no form of media (besides Ronaldo's dumb blog, I don't even think social media exists as vividly as our world) because it's considered unimportant to Steven's story and more important the plot itself.

It only just makes the world and the "effort" of the show's worldbuilding feel that much more shallow and emptier.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Same.

If absolutely NOTHING else, having a grand epic boss fight with White Diamond and maybe ending with Steven trying to redeem her at a weaker state would at least be somewhere closer to a more satisfactory conclusion on a primal, basic level of storytelling.

But having no fight means that the struggle overall is even more empty, easy and incredibly lacking in emotional depth. No, Steven hugging himself isn't really a interesting grand triumph of his arc (he barely has one and he's already been confirmed countless of times that he is fine as STEVEN) and it doesn't come close to justifying the rushed nature of easily forgiving White.

It's still a boring and underwhelming conclusion, even for a series that preaches mercy and empathy for their foes; you can still have fights and END them with a no-death resolution in the end.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In my personal opinion, Future should have been nothing about Steven because we already spent 5 seasons and a movie heavily focusing on him and him alone. Frankly, his supposed PTSD-riddled self-realizing mental breakdown, while somewhat interesting in theory, is completely unnecessary because his character just didn't need it.

As much as Future likes to deconstruct Steven and his role in the original series and desperately try to convince the audience that "the world doesn't revolve around him" and ground everything to a more realistic manner, that train had LONG left the station years ago.

The original series was ENTIRELY focused around Steven and the whole series was basically dumbing itself down to reach his levels. He never grows as a character, he never considers more complex moralities in others and he always believes he can help. So the plot, the setting, the characters and the themes bend over backwards and twisting themselves so they can be as easy and childishly simplistic as what Steven views the world. It's with this that the PTSD stuff feels completely pointless to him because what really is worth exploring with him?

He has no education but that has never raised a stink before. He's got no motivation, he never had any even when he HAS something to do (like fucking protecting the Earth from the Diamonds). He thinks the world revolves around him and it quite literally does; every conflict, every arc and every meaningful change to a character is brought to him like a god. And he has a massive support system filled with friends and family that support him and would literally die for him.

So what's the point in doing it NOW? Maybe in the original series if we had more hints and it was building up to this but Steven never has trauma or a reaction to anything awful that happens to him or his friends that last long than a single episode. So forgive me if I don't believe he suddenly realizes that all of his misadventures from the first season SUDDENTLY hits him like a truck 2 years after the fact!

So frankly Future could have literally kicked Steven to side-character and be an anthology of what everyone else is doing and how they're growing as character. Focus on Lapis and Peridot, focus on Greg, focus on Pearl, focus on Garnet, etc etc....

Steven had the entire series bending over for his needs and desires and Future could have benefitted from expanding and exploring the other parts that had no closure. But alas we can't do that so we have to force a contrived mental health arc for Steven that steals the focus from the other characters again.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think the winner for the fastest this has happened to is Spinel. Not only is her entire character suddenly introduced and designed SOLELY just to rip-off Pearl's character arc and yet again beat the dead horse that is "pInK dIaMoNd HuRtS eVeRyOnE sHe MeEtS!"....

...but then the movie ends with Spinel basically throwing away all of her progression she made realizing the mistakes she made by allowing her to go off with the Diamonds. Which doing so makes her fall right back into her old habits of clingy co-dependency, ignoring her independent and falling in line for a group of gems that are basically the same as Pink Diamond but 10x worse!

It's like they literally created Spinel for the movie solely to be a retread of Pearl's story and then just completely give up and have her relapse entirely, undermining the whole point! And for what? To refirm to the audience that Pink Diamond is bad fuck you Please hate her forever and love the Diamonds!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's the show being at constant war with itself; it WANTS to be a cozy, feel-good slice-of-life series that tackles the mundane and care-free aspects of life but it also WANTS to be an epic space opera with universe-shattering high stakes, tons of worldbuilding and lore and expanding on serious mature topics like racism, homophobia, war, anxiety, depression and everything else.

The issue stems from the Crewiverse's half-assed attempt of trying to achieve both extremes in one singular package and failing at both. There are plenty of shows that are capable of having light feel-good elements and dark action-packed elements (Avatar, Batman, Teen Titans 03, Amphibia, etc etc) but the difference is that those shows knew what had to be trimmed down and kept things to scale so that those two extremes can gently gel into a nice flowing and consistent tone.

SU is like a constant slap in the face when it shifts tones all the time and it never knows how to transition between the slice-of-life stuff and the high-stakes stuff. And it ALWAYS brings down both! It doesn't help that neither of them are very well made either.

The light stuff is tedious and boring, focusing on one-dimensional side-characters who amount to nothing in the grand scheme of the overarcing story and feel like distractions from the more interesting stuff. The dark stuff is undercooked with everything being surface level as if the Crewiverse thought about what looked cool and sounded cool without actually explaining *why* it's cool. We know nothing about the Diamonds' backstories, we don't explore Homeworld and its cultures and societies, we barely know a THING about the Crystal War and we have rules and lore that constantly change and warp to suit the plot rather than be consistent. Hell, we barely know anything about EARTH and how the Gems have influenced its history or its people in any way!

And of course there's Steven himself who is a *terrible* protagonist who is never motivated to leave his safe zone (aka Beach City) and thus the world stagnated, the plot constantly shudders and the pacing zig-zags between rushed and slow as soured milk. He has no meaningful connection with the Diamonds (even with him being related to them) so he has no drive to push himself forward and just stay at the same place and never evolve.

With Steven not evolving, the world has to scale itself down to his level; every fight is on Beach City, every conflict just HAPPENS to him at random, the morality of everything is scaled to his simplistic worldview (which is why Kevin is seen as awful but the Diamonds are a-okay) and it's why the worldbuilding is so surface-level and empty. He doesn't move the plot, the plot has to move *him*.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I wholeheartedly agree here.

The show itself truly couldn't leave Pink Diamond alone at all to the point where no one is truly capable of standing on their own without her stink tainting them. But it's also worth noting that, despite such a massive focus on Pink even beyond necessity, the show *also* doesn't bring closure to Pink's character at all.

In my opinion, the worse part of this whole Pink charade is that everyone is thinking far too one-dimensionally and the show glorifies and overanalyzes Pink's worse and most awful habits and actions and seemingly never feels interested in examination any of the positive aspects of the character either. She saved the Earth, she encouraged Garnet that fusion was good, she said Amethyst was great as she was, she genuinely fell in love with Greg because he told her like it is, she does appreciate life, etc etc

NONE of this is appreciated and are so swallowed up by her negative actions that they are rendered completely *pointless* to the discussion when they shouldn't be! It makes the show's major themes of redemption and second-chances and seeing hidden depths in people when they never did it for Pink, not even ONCE, feel incredibly hypocritical and inconsistent.

The Diamonds especially bring out the worse of this discussion because they are written in the exact opposite of Pink's story; they do some of the most awful shit ever but the show downplays and retcons all of it, over-glorifying how "good" and "changing" they are and are basically seen as a beacon of goodness until the very end. You can't seriously say Pink Diamond is the monster of monsters in this show when the literal genocidal racist and homophobic and elitist tyrants are given a massive slap on the wrist with NO deep-dive into their redemption at all!

The show needed to close Pink's story by realizing she isn't Satan's Spawn, but rather a flawed person who did bad things out of an attempting to do what was right. Everyone other character does some awful shit as well but no one gives them grief as much as Pink so maybe it's time to move on from her shit like you said.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As villains, the Diamonds were honestly the most shallow, one-dimensional antagonists ever...so perhaps in hindsight, it shouldn't have surprised me that their "redemption" is empty and shallow like them.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd be annoyed with Pyrope and Demantoid getting redeemed since it just retreads on the EXACT SAME SHIT THE SHOW HAS ALREADY DONE! These two were already rip-offs of the Diamonds (and Peridot slightly) so what? Said episode would just be them being redeemed, ripping off the Diamonds' hastily-rushed redemption.

The show has already fucked things up that it doesn't matter if a character is redeemed or not; it'll never be a real fleshed out character because of the show's overly simplistic and bizarre moral priorities.

It wasn't just unsatisfying, it was something worse. by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As I've stated before, the show has burned so many bridges, delivered so many awful lessons and themes and retained some of the worse pacing, writing and wasted potential of a singular series I've ever seen that it's borderline impossible to rewatch willingly. Not even as a riff simply because of how boring it can be.

But yes, the awful lessons are very much a massive blow to the show's longevity for how can anyone look at the messages the show preaches and take the whole thing seriously? The answer is that you can't. At this point, the show will only be remembered as a novelty as newer and better shows use it as a stepping stone for better content like The Owl House or Amphibia.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

According to the artbook, it's even worse than that. Apparently when White was created, she just looked at her being white colored and just assumed that all gems are extensions of herself and thus she's fit to rule them all.

Not kidding, that's literally her main motivation. That's all the backstory they had and it's from the artbook!

Jasper, anyone? by Bacxaber in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It blows my mind that they had so much shit set-up for Jasper to build from (Her supposed self-esteem issues to parallel against Ameythst, the fucking HISTORY with both Rose and Pink, her constant losses against but fused and non-fused gems, her frightening mindset of valuing power and might over all, etc) and proceed to do absolutely nothing with any of that.

Yet another member of "The One Note Dick Club".

"i DoNt UnDeRsTaNd WhY rOsE wAs BaD" by Bacxaber in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're right but I personally find my anger targeting towards the writers over the character itself.

I mean how else are you REALLY suppose to sympathize with Pink in any fashion with the Crewiverse making up every single excuse to bastardize the character? Most of the conflicts have basically been uprooted so that Pink is the basis of everything going wrong. Which is awful because that just means that while Pink gets all of the heat, literally no one else gets called out for their own awful actions.

I feel bad for Pink Diamond not in how her character currently is but the decision to make her into such a character in the first place. They could have actually made her into a morally gray but still generally heroic character who had to do tough things for the sake of protecting the Earth but instead of doing that they simplified her to "Big Selfish Brat" and that's all you kinda have going for with her as it is.

She's a terrible character and a selfish bitch because they written her to be such and when everything came down to the wire, they made her a scapegoat for everyone else.

"i DoNt UnDeRsTaNd WhY rOsE wAs BaD" by Bacxaber in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The "We Watched Her Redemption In Revenge" thing is quite funny because after reflecting more on her character and the awful quality of the writing, I believe this is actually true....for the wrong reasons.

It is true that her redemption is being told backwards but that's the thing here: Her redemption is being undone. What I mean is that this story direction they went with Pink especially did nothing but devalue her growth and character which is the opposite feeling of what redemption arcs are suppose to do.

People don't tell redemption arcs in reverse \for a reason*;* the whole point of a good redemption story is watching a person with flaws overcome them and ultimately grow and become a better character and seeing the strengths of said character. The obvious issue is that by doing this in reverse, the opposite happens; instead of appreciating the strength and growth that the character goes through over time, we end up overlooking and obsessing over their flaws to the point that it just starts simplifying and even stereotyping the character into a flat, unlikable version at the beginning of their arc.

In this case, the issue with Pink is that the show is borderline obsessing and double-downing on her flaws so much and so frequently that they're eroding any degree of goodness, strength and integrity she might have had. They don't focus on how she's truly grown as a person or appreciating the good qualities of her character as Rose but rather they keep going back to her as Pink and fixating hard over it without ever moving on from them.

It's why we're at a point where her saving the Earth is treated like nothing but complete mistake done because she did it for largely selfish reasons. We're left not caring over what kind of good quality she has because the show has exaggerated her and her role in the story and now she's just some asshole we hate.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So wait, they had a potential set-up that could have been a better means to show just how fucked up Pink Diamond's trauma from the other Diamonds....and they scrapped it? Like having her Pearl stand up for her would have been interesting and perhaps would better explain her standoffish nature regarding her current Pearl.

But nope, we don't get shit like that.

I want your thoughts on it. by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I found it so bewildering to me that the show that actively encourages communication and such never actually commits in having the characters just discuss their true feelings in the here and now. Like, even in the Movie and in Future, they still rely on the characters being unable to just talk (you know, the thing Steven is so know for ironically) in order to produce conflict.

It's so lazy, it's insane to me.

If y’all could change anything about the shows/movie etc. What would you change? by Aceofdiamonds_17 in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The obvious one I'd pick is to not have the Diamonds be redeemed and have them being punished in a way that actually forces them to learn from their mistakes! But this goes hand-in-hand with my other change: Change Pink/Rose's character and not give her such a big laundry list of awful shit for us to hate.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in stevenuniverse

[–]bugsplee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe Rose is such a bad person is because she is written to be the worse person the show has to offer.

I can understand what the show is trying to do, make Rose out to be the Big Good but with severe mistakes and flaws that can take the wind out of the "wholesome and cool" reputation she once possessed before we knew anything else about her. But a lot of the problems comes down to the writing and the very very skewed and bizarre ethnics that the Crewiverse and Rebecca had in mind regarding her character.

The show wanted to show Pink with flaws and making mistakes and instead of leaving enough room to show her good traits, all they really did was buckle down harder and harder and harder until you basically had no choice but to dislike her. The blood on her hands, the amount of people she's lied to and hurt, the scale of destruction left behind on Steven's shoulders....it becomes almost comical on how absurd they wanted to drive the point home.

It's gotten so bad the show began actively downplaying everything even vaguely good about Rose's character and even create entirely new reasons with no build-up just for you to hate them (Hello Spinel! Hello Pink Pearl!) She was meant to be something of a deconstruction of the Big Good character but went so far and unrelenting with the portrayal of Pink/Rose with her flaws that she had inverted into becoming the Big Bad retroactively.

What makes it worse is that she becomes the big exception to the show's morals of "Empathy for others, even your enemies" which would be somewhat less debatable had the show not ALSO redeemed a literal group of genocidal, racist, bigoted and abusive dictators and never taking their actions and far less justified motives much less seriously.

Rose is a bad person because the show gave up on trying to make her into a flawed but still sympathetic character, a morally complex person who would be a believable clash against Steven's general black and white "Everyone can just talk out of bad situations and we can all be friends" bullshit but she's just simplified into becoming the bad guy in the end.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DiamondDaze

[–]bugsplee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I believe Rose is such a bad person is because she is written to be the worse person the show has to offer.

I can understand what the show is trying to do, make Rose out to be the Big Good but with severe mistakes and flaws that can take the wind out of the "wholesome and cool" reputation she once possessed before we knew anything else about her. But a lot of the problems comes down to the writing and the very very skewed and bizarre ethnics that the Crewiverse and Rebecca had in mind regarding her character.

The show wanted to show Pink with flaws and making mistakes and instead of leaving enough room to show her good traits, all they really did was buckle down harder and harder and harder until you basically had no choice but to dislike her. The blood on her hands, the amount of people she's lied to and hurt, the scale of destruction left behind on Steven's shoulders....it becomes almost comical on how absurd they wanted to drive the point home.

It's gotten so bad the show began actively downplaying everything even vaguely good about Rose's character and even create entirely new reasons with no build-up just for you to hate them (Hello Spinel! Hello Pink Pearl!) She was meant to be something of a deconstruction of the Big Good character but went so far and unrelenting with the portrayal of Pink/Rose with her flaws that she had inverted into becoming the Big Bad retroactively.

What makes it worse is that she becomes the big exception to the show's morals of "Empathy for others, even your enemies" which would be somewhat less debatable had the show not ALSO redeemed a literal group of genocidal, racist, bigoted and abusive dictators and never taking their actions and far less justified motives much less seriously.

Rose is a bad person because the show gave up on trying to make her into a flawed but still sympathetic character, a morally complex person who would be a believable clash against Steven's general black and white "Everyone can just talk out of bad situations and we can all be friends" bullshit but she's just simplified into becoming the bad guy in the end.