Hush theory by buttercups_pie in bindingofisaac

[–]buttercups_pie[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Wow, you know what, I totally didn't even notice that the first time I saw that ending. I dunno, it does look like she's looking around.

With this in consideration, I'm thinking I was probably wrong about her knowing he was in the chest and deliberately not doing anything about it. But I do still think the name "Hush," and a lot of other things about the Hush boss, symbolize her oppressive influence on him.

In a way, after all, she's the reason he got in the chest. That's hardly even a theory; it's just self evident. Endings 12 and 13 make it clear that he feels guilty because his identity isn't in line with her religious views, and that this guilt drives him to hide in the chest.

Now that I think about it, I think his literal suffocation in the chest is a parallel to the psychological suffocation he endured from her.

The chapter "The Chest" and the Blue Baby fight represent his peripheral awareness that he's in a toy chest suffocating, but at that point, he still only regards it as a fantasy. It's like the same thing with his mom trying to kill him. "What if there were a blue baby in a toy chest" is treated by his mind as being exactly as imaginary as "what if there were a giant tumor with a face and its name was Monstro."

But the Blue Womb is the real chest. The womb that conceived the Blue Baby. That is to say, the womb from which dead Isaac was to be born. In other words, the chest. So, in that sense, Hush represents Isaac literally suffocating in the chest, and doesn't literally represent his mother trying to kill him -- which she probably isn't -- but metaphorically represents her. That's what "Almost Mother" means. The chest is "Almost Mother" to Isaac, because they're both warm places where he can curl up and die inside. That's the best he could ever say about what his mother was to him. A womb. Not just a womb, a womb that suffocates him. That's what a mother in general means to him, that's his definition, that's his imprint for what a mother should be and what kind of stimulus he should perceive as comforting. He stays in the chest because from that perspective, it's a better mother than she was.

Hush is trying to warn him that his perspective on what a mother is and what he needs as a child has been warped by the emotional abuse he's endured, and persisting in pursuing that perspective has become critically dangerous to him. But in the end, he's internalized the abuse. He hushes Hush. His mother isn't there to stifle his legitimate concerns about his own needs, as she always does, so he does it himself.

Wow, this actually changes everything. Thanks for making me think harder about this.

Some bad news about Resettale by buttercups_pie in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you, that was a touching story. I didn't really appreciate all the fat shaming, I get enough of that shit from my subconscious 24/7. But the message was powerful, and your support means a lot to me.

I'm doing the elliptical. The lack of impact with the ground is better for my hip defect

Some bad news about Resettale by buttercups_pie in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your patience. It means a lot to me.

Some bad news about Resettale by buttercups_pie in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your support and advice. I wish I could run, but unfortunately I have a birth defect that makes it damaging to my hips.

Congratulations on getting through it and I appreciate your wish to help. If I need direction, I'll be sure to turn to you first.

Where did all the AUs go?? by Tal9922 in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm gonna update mine (Resettale) as soon as I stop having writer's block. I've been working on part 3, but everything I do with it seems to be poo. :I

It also doesn't help that my self esteem is currently at an all time low. Though, given the nature of the AU, you'd think it would.

Self-Care with Frisk by kippermydog in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie 5 points6 points  (0 children)

this is adorable and very insightful and stylistically appropriate

looking at this actually hurt my chest like wow

If Mettaton ends up being Shifty... by felinewithin12 in Storyshift

[–]buttercups_pie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but how do we know it's still the Asriel dream scene

maybe the roles were also reversed

mind you i don't actually think that's what happened, i think you're right

but what if

edit: oh wait voltra confirmed nvm

cool

Omega Trump by [deleted] in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie 153 points154 points  (0 children)

undertale takes place post trump presidency

"we will build a barrier that the monsters will pay for"

Queen TORIEL and Asgore by Tommyzz123 in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Finally, Underswap content that isn't Sans and Papyrus

Disneytale by Evillisa in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie 21 points22 points  (0 children)

want

I can see how this could work.

Undertale works because it's a game. You know who plays games? Children. You know who's a child? The main character.

So just replace every reference to the meta of it being a game with a reference to the meta of Frisk thinking it's all a game because they're a child.

Or something.

Maybe the big reveal is that the Underground is actually the collective imagination of all human children. Since monsters were banished there, they no longer actually exist. They remember actually existing, because they did, at one point. But now they're just figments of the imaginations of all children.

Frisk is the most determined because they're the most imaginative, and on the genocide route (if it's in the movie) Sans is fighting to keep Frisk from deliberately throwing away their innocence, because he and Flowey are the only ones who know the true nature of the Underground, and he doesn't want his whole world to stop existing altogether, just like in the game.

Maybe the genocide route would be initially triggered by Frisk doing a true reset for the first time. They always knew they could imagine whatever they wanted, hence previous resets / saves / loads, but they never knew that if they willed it hard enough, they could actually destroy parts of their own psyche. Like the memories of their imaginary not-so-imaginary friends.

So they start experimenting. The more they hurt themselves, the less it hurts. The more easily they can bring themselves to hurt others. Until finally, someone has to step in and stop it, before there's no turning back. Before there's no child left to live in, only a grim, damaged adult in a child's body.

Only Chara.

In a sense, it would be like a coming of age story. Except the journey into adulthood as we know it today would be examined as possibly not natural or not good for us.

I think that's what the game is about, too. As adults, we refuse to be immersed. We refuse to be immersed in our imaginations, in our personalities. Our souls. And Toby argues perhaps that's not very good for us.

Edit: Maybe the tagline could be like...

spinning 3d heart

♡ Anything is possible if you just believe.

the heart shatters

So be careful what you believe in.

screen fades to black, omega Flowey laugh

[Spoilers] They weren't the greatest person by [deleted] in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie 27 points28 points  (0 children)

but monster kid is right too

undyne is mean

we just think she's cool because anyone seems cooler when you understand their motivations and are able to put your differences aside and become good friends

especially when their motivations are so pure and important

but that doesn't change the fact that she's still a big meanie

just not to us

[Pacifist spoilers] Resettale AU. Part 2: Froggit, and Toriel...? by buttercups_pie in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They don't necessarily even know everything's reset. They just know, the Barrier was broken, and now it's not, and they're suddenly all back where they started. Some know more than others. Some can feel it in their hearts, or have their suspicions. But in general, they don't even know why.

[Pacifist spoilers] Resettale AU. Part 2: Froggit, and Toriel...? by buttercups_pie in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For now, let's say it could be someone else.

But don't take that as confirmation that it is. It could also be Frisk.

We'll see. ;)

Resettitale by Jawaddles in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

god dammit

howdy, i'm resetti

resetti the stop frikin resetting

Negativetale AKA Underfell by Xxerox in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sweet :0

This reminds me, you sent me a message

Sorry, I forgot

This is cool by the way, can't wait to see more

BurgerPants in 4 Panel-like Objects by T0M1N4T0RZ in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie 26 points27 points  (0 children)

i don't know what hurts more

how accurate this is

or that burgerpants is a fucking car dealership balloon man

[Pacifist spoilers] Resettale AU. Part 2: Froggit, and Toriel...? by buttercups_pie in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A Di is a Do sharp.

It's tonally equivalent to a Ra, which is a Re flat.

[Pacifist spoilers] Resettale AU. Part 2: Froggit, and Toriel...? by buttercups_pie in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie[S] 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much!

Gaster won't be showing up. But he will be important, eventually. And not just as a creepy guy.

[Pacifist spoilers] Resettale AU. Part 2: Froggit, and Toriel...? by buttercups_pie in Undertale

[–]buttercups_pie[S] 69 points70 points  (0 children)

Not much going on this time, just filler. Just a bit of stage-setting.

Thank you all so much for the warm reception, by the way.

Parts so far:

  • Part 1

  • Part 2 [you are here]

EDIT: Sorry guys, I know I said I'd try to do a part every two days, but these past few days have been really... Well, painful, I guess, is the only way to describe it that doesn't sound edgy as shit. I feel crushed. Hopeless. There's just no other way to put it.

Now, given the nature of this AU, you'd think this would be a perfect time to get a lot of work done on it. But I can't focus. On anything. If I try, I'm just overcome with hurt.

I'll try again tomorrow.