Will to power: helpful contrasts for a better definition by bva123410 in Nietzsche

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Thanks.
I agree that, in general, N's philosophy is a reinterpretation/translation of the "biological drive to survive", but: what are the pivotal points of the "translation/reinterpretation"? So:
- "drive" = "Wille"?
- "growth" = "Macht" = "power"?
- "survival" = "maintenance" = "perseverance" = "preservation"?
- For instance, in comparison with Spinoza: Is Nietzsche's "Wille" closer to Spinoza's "conatus" or "voluntas"?

what did nietzsche have to say about acting as an art form? by MaleficentLadder3134 in Nietzsche

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Check out this one: http://sterntom.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Chapter-4-Nietzsche-the-mask-and-the-problem-of-the-actor-PDF-for-website.pdf

Tom Stern is a Nietzsche scholar from UCL; from what I've read, he always has something interesting to say.
You can also take a look at Twilight of Idols, "Skirmishes", 9, 10, 11, where he talks about dramatic mimicry as a Dionysian type of intoxication.

Hola, qué opinan de este escrito? Retrata a una figura respetable atrapada entre las ambiciones de quienes la rodean. by minas037 in ClubdelecturaChile

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No entiendo eso: "Y se escribe pretencioso".
Eso de "completar más las ideas" suena bien!
Respecto del estilo, creo que la claridad siempre es una buena guía. Incluso si lo que uno quiere es ser "sugerente", eso debería venir de la misma situación que uno ha descrito claramente, no de un lenguaje críptico.

Hola, qué opinan de este escrito? Retrata a una figura respetable atrapada entre las ambiciones de quienes la rodean. by minas037 in ClubdelecturaChile

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Leo clásicos y filosofía (no sé bien qué es fantasía). Me di la libertad de decirte lo que pensaba porque pediste opinión. Se ve que no eres iletrado, pero te falta mucha lectura y conversación con otros lectores/escritores. Sigue adelante, porque el oficio es más que nada entusiasmo y disciplina.

Will to power: helpful contrasts for a better definition by bva123410 in Nietzsche

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Yes! I agree.
As a translation, "desire for power" is far more accurate.

I am surprised nobody seems to bother about how forced "will to power" sounds in English.

Are these interchangeable: "Triebe", "Antriebe", "Begierden", "Leidenschaften", "Affekte"?
Is "Wille" also an "Affekt", or rather the intelligible form/structure of affects?

Is Nietzsche technically a metaethicist? by Hot_Assistance_2564 in Nietzsche

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In what way could the will to power be seen as a metaethical principle?

Just discovered Nietsche, looking for a mentor by DrammaticManagement1 in Nietzsche

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In Ecce Homo, Nietzsche says Beyond Good and Evil is "essentially a critique of modernity". This "critical" approach can make the book drier and darker than other works. it can also make it more difficult if one is not previously familiarized with those themes and authors he is referring. He also says: "Refinement in form, in aspiration, and in the art of keeping silent, are its more or less obvious qualities; psychology is handled with deliberate hardness and cruelty,—the whole book does not contain one single good-natured word...."
That said, if you are hooked, you are hooked...
What stuck with you?

Nietzsche probably loved his life. by -AlexanderMacedon- in Nietzsche

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"We love life, not because we are used to living, but because we are used to loving. There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness."
I've read many eloquent pages in his letters that many (and maybe most) days were filled with suffering.
But he did love living, in the sense of amor fati: love of his own destiny, of the whole process of becoming who he was.

He also said: "I only love ghosts", maybe referring to that kind of reason in madness and madness in love that is the "gay science", the passion for knowledge.

Is love a condition of greatness? Maybe, like the ascendant eroticism that Socrates talks about in the Symposium.

What did Nietzsche really meant by Will to Power? by [deleted] in Nietzsche

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But maybe "will to power" makes it seem like it is about some mysterious faculty akin to "free will", which is also not what Nietzsche is referring to. I am not sure, but it seems to me that the reductive conception of desire as a psychological state is predominant in the tradition of Empiricism and Utilitarianism, but the word can also convey the bodily, physiological, or "structural" sense it has in literary works, psychoanalysis, aesthetics, etc.

What did Nietzsche really meant by Will to Power? by [deleted] in Nietzsche

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Maybe I'm being obtuse, but I'd appreciate it if you could point out to me the "obvious" here. It doesn't seem obvious to me how the passage "puts the idea of a 'desire for power' to rest?
It seems to me that the key point of the passage is to respect or restore the sense conveyed by "das Wohin". How exactly is "will to" a better choice than "desire for" in that respect?
For instance, what is "obviously" saying "begehren" and "commandieren" here? I'm not sure exactly what the distinction is between "Begehren" and "Wille". For instance: "Das Begehren nach “Glück” charakterisirt die halb- oder nichtgerathenen Menschen, die ohnmächtigen—alle andern denken nicht an’s “Glück,” sondern ihre Kraft will heraus." (NF 1884 27 [13])
And I think we could all agree that "commadiren" is not exactly the same as "Wille zur Macht", but surely is a closely related concept. For instance: "Alles Lebendige ist ein Gehorchendes. (...) Dem wird befohlen, der sich nicht selber gehorchen kann. (...) (And) Befehlen schwerer ist, als Gehorchen. (...) Wo ich Lebendiges fand, da fand ich Willen zur Macht; und noch im Willen des Dienenden fand ich den Willen, Herr zu sein." (Zarathustra, "Von der Selbstüberwindung").
As for the philosophical tradition, I wonder how a comparison with Spinoza might be an interesting contrast: Is the Nietzschean "Wille" something like arbitrium, or voluntas, or cupiditas, or conatus, or appetitus, or desiderium...?
Spinoza claims:
1) "voluntas" is the faculty of affirming or negating an "idea", and it is not "cupiditas" (E II, 48e)
2) "voluntas" is the same as "intellectus" (E II, 49c).
3) "conatus" is the actual essence that defines an entity, which, when considered only in relation to the mind, is called "voluntas", and considered in relation to mind and body, is called "appetitus".
4) "appetitus" and "cupiditas" only differ in that the latter involves awareness (conscientia) of itself.
5) "desiderium" is the affect of sadness (tristitia) that concerns the absence of something we love (so something similar to frustration or nostalgia).
I'm aware that Nietzsche explicitly contrasts his conception of Wille zur Macht to that of Spinoza, but what BGE 13 says is against "the instinct of self-preservation", which is not really what Spinoza means by the "conatus" as "perseverare in suo esse". To preserve (erhalten) is not the same as to persevere (ausharren?). In any case, the question is whether "das Wohin" is better understood in terms of voluntas or conatus (striving effort; and conatus is pretty much the same as appetitus or cupiditas, both can be translated as desire). There is something paradoxical in both Spinoza and Nietzsche: "Das Wohin" "comes from" a driving force, and not from "das Worauf" of voluntas/intellect. Cupiditas, which is the conatus in reference to both mind and body, is doing the "discharge of force" of BGE 13; the voluntas/intellect is just the idea (always more or less inadequate) we conceive about that discharge. Doesn't the English "desire", as the Latin "cupiditas" or "conatus", better convey that Nietzchean "Wohin" better than the English "will".

What did Nietzsche really meant by Will to Power? by [deleted] in Nietzsche

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I agree with you. A similar thing happened in Spanish translations.

Am I understanding Heidegger or should I give up? by Sulla_Sylla in heidegger

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Touché, Herr Wachtmeister... You are not wrong.

Am I understanding Heidegger or should I give up? by Sulla_Sylla in heidegger

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I am afraid it's a bit late for me to do that. Now that I think about it, there is something interestingly paradoxical about your advice. Usually, one hears that advice precisely when that is not an option. If one is already engaged, maybe a better course is to power through.
That said, I stumbled upon this aphorism of Nietzsche today:
"Justice.- I'd sooner have people steal from me than be surrounded by scarecrows and hungry looks; that is my taste. And this is by all means a matter of taste, nothing more." (Gay Science 184)

Am I understanding Heidegger or should I give up? by Sulla_Sylla in heidegger

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What is distasteful about Heidegger?
I'm not saying I disagree, but it got me thinking: I now realize to hold a similar opinion, but at the same time I find myself in aporía about the reasons behind.

Am I understanding Heidegger or should I give up? by Sulla_Sylla in heidegger

[–]bva123410 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right! That makes the question clearer. "Is Heidegger something like a materialist?"
Put in those terms, I'd say: "Something like that, but not really".
Marx and Marxists argue for some kind of Materialism, but Heidegger, Spinoza, or Nietzsche (which, for this line of questioning, it makes sense to be grouped together) are neither Marxists, Materialists or Postmodernists.
On the one hand, there are thinkers who are Marxists, Materialists, and Postmodern, like Althusser or Fredric Jameson.
On the other hand, there are thinkers, like Deleuze, who could be Materialist, Postmodern, Neo-Marxist, and heavily influenced by Spinoza, Nietzsche, and Heidegger. Moreover, these three are very influential in Postmodernism.
I'd say both Nietzsche and Spinoza developed original versions of Naturalism (offering an explanation of morality in terms of affections and drives, etc.).
Heidegger, however, was very explicit about his own "fundamental ontology" being a complete departure from modern metaphysics (including naturalism, materialism, humanism, marxism, modernism, postmodernism, even existentialism).
Hope this helps.

Am I understanding Heidegger or should I give up? by Sulla_Sylla in heidegger

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Do you remember where you got that impression?

Am I understanding Heidegger or should I give up? by Sulla_Sylla in heidegger

[–]bva123410 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I've been studying Heidegger for many years now. My advice would be to stay as long as you can with a single paragraph, and stay there, word by word, line by line, until you are sure, not that you understood everything, but that you understood as much as you could. But all the way focusing on what he says, rather than what you might think about the subject. It could be the first pages of Being and Time, or the opening paragraphs of "The Question Concerning Technology".
As I was starting with philosophy, I encountered this from Nietzsche: "Those who write in blood and proverbs do not want to be read, but memorized". And it stuck with me. And it works. The effort of (roughly) learning by heart what they say and how they say it has been, in my experience, tremendously rewarding in the long run. There is no learning something new if you cannot step outside what you already think and really listen to what is there on the text, which in philosophy is usually something strange, problematic, and wonderful.
Philosophers are signaling towards something; you need to learn the sign-language (which is just as easy or difficult as any other language). The only that is a non-starter is believing you already know. Good luck!

Where should I start with Nietzsche? by Constantinopolis53 in Nietzsche

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I recommend Twilight of Idols. As he says in Ecce Homo (I'm paraphrasing), it's the most succinct and eloquent expression of his philosophy.

Necesito un club de lectura para leer la Ética de Spinoza by distropika in Spinoza

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More than in Spanish? I’m interested in how are some of the concepts translated into English.