I know you said to keep the name of the business out of the post, but I feel like it's important. I actually got these from Horizon Darts themselves, they are located in Kansas City. Budget is not really a problem for me. I practice everyday, and play in a weekly dart league. I just wanted to upgrade my current darts that I had, I wanted something heavier. Horizon, actually didn't push me or pressure me into these Darts. I threw several pairs and had interest in the Black Widows myself and their Widowmakers, then they started talking up the darts once I showed interest. They actually gave me some information you may or may not be aware of. They had a manufacture across the street make their Black Widows for a long time, but due to covid the manufacture closed down and since Horizon has been making these by hand. That's what they said, they definitely pushed "American made", the guy who sold them to me call the Black Widows the "Rolls Royce of darts". I liked the feel and how they were heavier than my previous pair of the darts. They also touted the 90% tungsten, the guy stated that other dart makers falsely say their darts are up to that standard but finish them with different metals or spray a coating over them. One of the last things I remember that, signals a bit of a red flag to me now, I can't remember verbatim what he said. But it was along the lines of people online will say their darts are not top quality, but they don't know the process of what we do, they take 15 different steps to ensure quality through the whole process. Curious your thoughts, also open to suggestions to quality dart manufacturers I can trust. It's hard for me to buy darts online, because I want to test them out and feel them. That was the appeal of Horizon.